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I have taught on this truth and teaching so many times and I find this is not taught in many churches and would like to get others views on this important topic! I give a very good example and teaching example with curtains explaning about our born again spirits , and how it is made holy , just , perfect before God and all the angels according to scriptural based! the video's is on my web site: www.revivaldisco.comand youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu093UUMftE&list=PL7B18F098FB40D9D6&index=4&feature=plpp_video2Co:5:17: Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. also: 1Th:5:23: And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. peace!  I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I have taught on this truth and teaching so many times and I find this is not taught in many churches and would like to get others views on this important topic!
I give a very good example and teaching example with curtains explaning about our born again spirits , and how it is made holy , just , perfect before God and all the angels according to scriptural based!
the video's is on my web site:
www.revivaldisco.com
and youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu093UUMftE&list=PL7B18F098FB40D9D6&index=4&feature=plpp_video
2Co:5:17: Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
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1Th:5:23: And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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1 Thess 5: 23.
The Greek word for, "Spirit" is, [Pneuma].
For, "Souls" is, [Psuche].
For body is, [Some].
Three different Greek words, Three different parts of man.
WE are a Spirit who has a soul, [The mind will and emotions] and we live in a body.
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Oops, sorry. I added to the original post and then double posted.
Edited by bwellmysoul on 02/15/2012 14:04:52
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Waving Hello to Evangelist!!! Sorry, but I don't have any photos of myself online.
Might work as well to change the terminology & have it match Jesus' words about the human responce to God, combine that with an understanding of our covenant relationship with the Trinity & being a temple of the Holy Spirit, and then tie this into the two great Commandments:
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You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. And, ....
Which also ties into our actions of omission and commission, etc and God's grace and His absolution of our sins, etc.
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Waving Hello to Evangelist!!! Sorry, but I don't have any photos of myself online.
Might work as well to change the terminology & have it match Jesus' words about the human responce to God, combine that with an understanding of our covenant relationship with the Trinity & being a temple of the Holy Spirit, and then tie this into the two great Commandments:
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You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. And, ....
Which also ties into our actions of omission and commission, etc and God's grace and His absolution of our sins, etc.
Also those sins done by our mind or soul and body!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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That was covered in Bewellmysoul's post.
We may be made up of different parts, we are still one person, not a Trinity.
We sin, not our body or our mind or our soul. We sin. We may sin with our body or with our mind, but there is no distinction where God is concerned. A person sinned. Not a part of a person.
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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That was covered in Bewellmysoul's post.
We may be made up of different parts, we are still one person, not a Trinity.
We sin, not our body or our mind or our soul. We sin. We may sin with our body or with our mind, but there is no distinction where God is concerned. A person sinned. Not a part of a person.
If that was true, then that would make our God not a spiritual God!
Joh:4:22: Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Joh:4:23: But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh:4:24: God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Notice that the bible didn't say worship God with your carnal part of you or with your five senses, and your mind and body is not spirit, niether your emotions!
So how do you put that in it right propective?
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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it says in spirit and not with your spirit evan. is jesus saying we cannot worship god with our soul or body? looks like there is no need to go to church anymore... no need to even love your neighbor because love is not something done spiritually... the bible says to love the lord your god with all your mind body soul and strength,,, but not the spirit? interesting isn't it. and yet it isn't. the difficulty here is that your taking that old gnostic dualism and using it in a body/soul vs spirit context. what is the good of worship if there is no love? if you don't love how can you really worship?
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i also do always find it funny how evan claims this is his teaching but in reality this idea is really just something he learned from others.. it was one of my biggest pet peeves about evangelicals, that need to appear authoritative or to appear spiritual but it's all a rip off. it's almost as if they doubt their own salvation so much that they need to prove they are really saved. thankfully as a catholic i don't need to worry about what men think, i don't need to put on that kind of a show to appear spiritual. i can simply partake of that most spiritual food in the eucharist, bowing before the Lord as a WHOLE man and not a divided one.
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Yup. Evangelist is always on about separating spirit from flesh and about secret revelation knowledge that is not evident from the plain text. He is a Gnostic.
But, Evangelist, you don't get it. We each are one person, not three persons. God is three persons, but we are not God.
Being one person with a spirit, mind and body, we can worship in spirit and truth, without separating. There is ONE Spirit in which we all worship - the Holy Spirit unites us all into One Body.
Guess what? The one body that we are all a part of, is physical as well as spiritual. We are the hands and feet of Jesus on this world.
We walk after the spirit or the flesh with our whole being, not just two parts walking separately. It is impossible for any one person to walk after the spirit and after the flesh at the same time - yet you seem to think that we can.
We are one person. Jesus Christ is one part of a Trinity, and yet, He walked among us as fully divine and fully human. Jesus was one person walking the earth. As God, He remained connected to the other two persons, but He was one person.
Jesus never walked after the flesh, He always walked after the Spirit, even while in His Flesh. Jesus never sinned with His flesh. Not once.
Jesus is our example and yet you refuse to accept the example. You admire the superpowers, but not the basic reality of His perfect obedience.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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That was covered in Bewellmysoul's post.
We may be made up of different parts, we are still one person, not a Trinity.
We sin, not our body or our mind or our soul. We sin. We may sin with our body or with our mind, but there is no distinction where God is concerned. A person sinned. Not a part of a person.
The spirit born again part of us can not sin!
The bible says it is sealed by the Holy Ghost and no contaimenation can spoil your born again spirit unless you take the cover off knowingly by renouncing your Saviour , and then your spirit become exactly like a sinner again and can never come back!
It is like you can't go back into your mother womb once born into this world , the same is when being born again, you can't put Jesus on the cross again, because He only died once for all times!
Eph:1:13: In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
To say when we sin our born again spirit sins with our mind and body is to say Jesus sinned!
Our born again spirit man is Jesus nature:
1Jo:4:17: Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
Eph:4:24: And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Our nature of our born again spirit is true righteous and holy and remain that way until eternalty, because it is redeemed now in this world!
1Co:6:17: But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
To get the clear meaning and in contexts of what it means to be one in Christ is better explain in the verses before to see how a person can be one with other people and things as such!
Let me start with this so far, and then I will quote many , many other verses and chapters showing the truth your born again spirit can't sin and does not get effected by any sins except one, which I don't want to start on or say yet!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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it says in spirit and not with your spirit evan. is jesus saying we cannot worship god with our soul or body? looks like there is no need to go to church anymore... no need to even love your neighbor because love is not something done spiritually... the bible says to love the lord your god with all your mind body soul and strength,,, but not the spirit? interesting isn't it. and yet it isn't. the difficulty here is that your taking that old gnostic dualism and using it in a body/soul vs spirit context. what is the good of worship if there is no love? if you don't love how can you really worship?
Where does this all first take place at Mike?
It begins first with your seed which is when you get born again , planted, or married to Jesus , by repentance which is spiritually done with the heart which no one else can see or feel , taste or hear!
You can't get in a bath tub and use water and mix it with a electricity cable hook into the wall, and put that live cable in your bath tube, because it will be the last bath you take believe me!
That is why you need to get the revelation what Paul is saying here:
Ro:8:4: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Ro:8:5: For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Ro:8:6: For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Ro:8:7: Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Ro:8:8: So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Ro:8:9: But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
So is using your mind and body are of the flesh, and five sences Mike??
Ro:8:14: For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Ro:8:15: For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Ro:8:16: The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Also to answer your first question in the post , is this talking about a person or the Holy Spirit , and before you embarrance yourself please look at the texts and the word spirit , with the capital word Spirit , and think why one word is use in small letter , and the other Spirit in capital (s)!
If you be truthful and say it means a person , that is your answer to being us or your spirit which should be logical to understand without printing every word to the truth!
It is like knowing in the bible the scripture pointing to the trinity without the bible having to put the word in trinity for those who are against the trinity, or the same knowing the word Bible meaning the word of God , instead of making it clear to other that the text is about the bible!
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i also do always find it funny how evan claims this is his teaching but in reality this idea is really just something he learned from others.. it was one of my biggest pet peeves about evangelicals, that need to appear authoritative or to appear spiritual but it's all a rip off. it's almost as if they doubt their own salvation so much that they need to prove they are really saved. thankfully as a catholic i don't need to worry about what men think, i don't need to put on that kind of a show to appear spiritual. i can simply partake of that most spiritual food in the eucharist, bowing before the Lord as a WHOLE man and not a divided one.
We call that a carnal external christianity Mike!
Nice show Mike!
Now show the powers of the truth behind, or with your whole man you claim!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Where does this all first take place at Mike?
It begins first with your seed which is when you get born again ,
well we do have to stop right there because you define being born again differently than the original church. being born again is a reference to baptism. the minute you change it's definition and go down a different path your preaching a different gospel evan. don't get me wrong, i see where your coming from and all, but the fact is technically you have pulled the same stunt that the jw and mormons do... and that is redefine and go off on a tangent.
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You can't get in a bath tub and use water and mix it with a electricity cable hook into the wall, and put that live cable in your bath tube, because it will be the last bath you take believe me!
please tell me that you didn't try this? Evan! you are so gullible.
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That is why you need to get the revelation what Paul is saying here:
Ro:8:4: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Ro:8:5: For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Ro:8:6: For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Ro:8:7: Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Ro:8:8: So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Ro:8:9: But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
So is using your mind and body are of the flesh, and five sences Mike??
looks like your missing what paul is saying evan. you make the same exact mistake that gnostic did in assuming that paul is talking about the physical. he isn't. carnal, carnal minded, the flesh are not talking about phyical reality, but rather are used as idioms for seeking worldy rather than religious agendas. sex isn't bad but if a person was a sex addict, and that was all they thought about and they ended up forsaking christ for sex.. well that would be more like what paul is talking about. money, fame, power, prestige. we aren't damned just because we have to do physical things. if that were the case than baptism would be the least of our concerns. preaching a sermon, reading a bible, going to church and singing a hymn would also fall under that category of religious activity.
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Ro:8:14: For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Ro:8:15: For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Ro:8:16: The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Also to answer your first question in the post , is this talking about a person or the Holy Spirit , and before you embarrance yourself please look at the texts and the word spirit , with the capital word Spirit , and think why one word is use in small letter , and the other Spirit in capital (s)!
If you be truthful and say it means a person , that is your answer to being us or your spirit which should be logical to understand without printing every word to the truth!
It is like knowing in the bible the scripture pointing to the trinity without the bible having to put the word in trinity for those who are against the trinity, or the same knowing the word Bible meaning the word of God , instead of making it clear to other that the text is about the bible!
well it looks like it's talking about the holy spirit and our spirit. now i'm not sure why you think i would embarrass myself evan unless you assumed that i didn't know we had a spirit. but that would be your mistake not mine. i don't disagree that man has a spirit, rather that our spirit is something independent and free from the man. this seems pretty clear in the passage because that spirit is called our spirit and that communion with the holy spirit causes our flesh to cry out. our spirit isn't off in wonderland or santas workshop doing it's own thing but is a part of who i am.
anyway none of this matters as you already went down a wrong path in your understanding of baptism/born again. you need to get back on the right path evan or you'll just stay lost in the forest.
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i also do always find it funny how evan claims this is his teaching but in reality this idea is really just something he learned from others.. it was one of my biggest pet peeves about evangelicals, that need to appear authoritative or to appear spiritual but it's all a rip off. it's almost as if they doubt their own salvation so much that they need to prove they are really saved. thankfully as a catholic i don't need to worry about what men think, i don't need to put on that kind of a show to appear spiritual. i can simply partake of that most spiritual food in the eucharist, bowing before the Lord as a WHOLE man and not a divided one.
We call that a carnal external christianity Mike!
Nice show Mike!
Now show the powers of the truth behind, or with your whole man you claim!
one love
well for one.. unity. i know, we don't run aroung babbling and falling on the ground howling like animals and watching legs grow... but i have yet to see anyone that came back to the catholic church even desire that over the pure communion of the eucharist. so simple and so against the world and it's power plays. that is the power evan. it's not in the shows, and hype of televangelists. it's in the body and blood of christ.
i would ask you to show your powers.. but i don't think you will be able to handle the truth here yet. your still very much addicted to the show or "carnal external christiantiy" as you put it.
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Where does this all first take place at Mike?
It begins first with your seed which is when you get born again ,
well we do have to stop right there because you define being born again differently than the original church. being born again is a reference to baptism. the minute you change it's definition and go down a different path your preaching a different gospel evan. don't get me wrong, i see where your coming from and all, but the fact is technically you have pulled the same stunt that the jw and mormons do... and that is redefine and go off on a tangent.
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You can't get in a bath tub and use water and mix it with a electricity cable hook into the wall, and put that live cable in your bath tube, because it will be the last bath you take believe me!
please tell me that you didn't try this? Evan! you are so gullible.
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That is why you need to get the revelation what Paul is saying here:
Ro:8:4: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Ro:8:5: For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Ro:8:6: For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Ro:8:7: Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Ro:8:8: So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Ro:8:9: But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
So is using your mind and body are of the flesh, and five sences Mike??
looks like your missing what paul is saying evan. you make the same exact mistake that gnostic did in assuming that paul is talking about the physical. he isn't. carnal, carnal minded, the flesh are not talking about phyical reality, but rather are used as idioms for seeking worldy rather than religious agendas. sex isn't bad but if a person was a sex addict, and that was all they thought about and they ended up forsaking christ for sex.. well that would be more like what paul is talking about. money, fame, power, prestige. we aren't damned just because we have to do physical things. if that were the case than baptism would be the least of our concerns. preaching a sermon, reading a bible, going to church and singing a hymn would also fall under that category of religious activity.
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Ro:8:14: For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Ro:8:15: For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Ro:8:16: The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Also to answer your first question in the post , is this talking about a person or the Holy Spirit , and before you embarrance yourself please look at the texts and the word spirit , with the capital word Spirit , and think why one word is use in small letter , and the other Spirit in capital (s)!
If you be truthful and say it means a person , that is your answer to being us or your spirit which should be logical to understand without printing every word to the truth!
It is like knowing in the bible the scripture pointing to the trinity without the bible having to put the word in trinity for those who are against the trinity, or the same knowing the word Bible meaning the word of God , instead of making it clear to other that the text is about the bible!
well it looks like it's talking about the holy spirit and our spirit. now i'm not sure why you think i would embarrass myself evan unless you assumed that i didn't know we had a spirit. but that would be your mistake not mine. i don't disagree that man has a spirit, rather that our spirit is something independent and free from the man. this seems pretty clear in the passage because that spirit is called our spirit and that communion with the holy spirit causes our flesh to cry out. our spirit isn't off in wonderland or santas workshop doing it's own thing but is a part of who i am.
anyway none of this matters as you already went down a wrong path in your understanding of baptism/born again. you need to get back on the right path evan or you'll just stay lost in the forest.
Yes , alot of our difinition are different and we see this by your church meaning and what is the meaning of a church for instance which make no sence to be able to talk about a church when the basic meaning is distorted from your society CC!
So of course I can see the same merry-go-round with a baptism and getting born again would be a ball of confussion for you!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 02/18/2012 03:00:20
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