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So let me get this straight.

The guy who knows who he is in Christ and accepts that he is permanently saved, is walking after the spirit while sleeping with his neighbour's wife and watching porn on stolen cable?

But the guy who believes in Christ and seeks to obey Him and follows Christ's teachings and repents whenever he feels he is slipping is walking after the flesh?

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NOT exactly but if a person is really born again they will have a disire not to what to do those things in their born again hearts while they are still in Christ Jesus!
A Sinner disires to do those thing with all thier heart wi´thout any consciousness or any guilt, and amatter of fact is even proud and would boost about them, but a born again Christian would say i did those thing that I really didn't want to do, can you see the difference??

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If you acknowledge that you know you did something wrong, why not repent of it? Even atheists know that adultery is wrong. They have rejected Christ and God and everything that they stand for. They are potentially damned to HELL, and they know that adultery or theft or bearing false witness are wrong. They have that much figured out. Are the born again like you? Are they walking after the Spirit?

Even atheists who have rejected God to the point where they are angry with Him and blaspheming Him with every breath they take are EXACTLY LIKE YOU.

They know that something is wrong and know that they should not do it, but sometimes they just do. They feel bad about it, but they do not repent.

Atheists who have rejected God with all their heart and blaspheme from sun up to sun down do not desire to do anything that we consider a sin. Not because it is a sin, but because even they know it is wrong.

I know many atheists who were born into Christian families who rejected God with all their heart who would NEVER even consider adultery. The ONLY bad thing that many of them have done is reject God. For many, THAT is their only sin. God's Laws are written upon our hearts.

2 Corinthians 7:9-10 9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.

10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

You make definitions, but they do not match with what the Bible says or with reality.

The majority of people that I have seen sinning with all of their heart and body, have been people professing to be born again Christians. Those that believe in other gods or religions, do not desire to sin at all. God's Laws are written on our hearts.

But Satan seeks to deceive and to lure those of God through the flesh.

Paul, your personal IDOL, says that worldly sorrow where we just feel bad but do not repent, is NOT GOOD ENOUGH, it worketh DEATH - spiritual death, damnation, HELL for all eternity.

Godly sorrow brings us to repentance. I have shown you other verses from Paul that show this. Why do you resist?

The difference between a person who walks after the spirit and a person who walks after the flesh, is that the person who walks after the Spirit REPENTS when they stumble. The carnal man does not.

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Let me write this also to your last post FAITH!
You have to categorise sins to get what you mean, when a person is in Christ and even goes over a speed limit or steal a flower from a old lady garden to give his wife, it all the same sins before God, but still if that person still is a believer in Christ Jesus by thier born again spirit , they are righteous as Jesus is now in heaven before God but maybe not according to your standards on the sin scale or catholic legalism!

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John did categorize sins. There are sins that kill and sins that do not kill.

Why is John not good enough for you?

James did not say that there were no categories of sin. James only said that all sin was sin and it is.

The point James was making is that it is never good to commit any sin, no matter how small. But that does not mean that all sin kills.

Reconcile James with John. Shoe me why you think that John is wrong? And how you can have a heretical writing in the New Testament?

You know that your insistance that there can be no categories of sin demonstrates clearly that you believe John's own teachings on the matter are heretical and cannot be truste.

John also wrote more on the subject that you have given very poor excuses as to why we should disregard what he said.

Why do you feel that John is a heretic and why does your canon still include such a heretic? Either John is right and you are mistaken. Or you are right and John is a heretic that has no place in the Bible.

Which is it?

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You need to discern who is seeing the sins we do, either God or how man see our sins there is a big difference!
Man can only see our outward peformances and action and judge by those standards , but God judge by the hearts which only He see's, and we as born again righteous christian are pure before God in our born again new spirit which came from the throne of God.

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Seven gifts of the Holy Spirit: wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude (or courage), knowledge, piety, and fear of the Lord.

The twelve Fruits of the Holy Spirit are works that we can perform only with the aid of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, the performance of such works is an indication that the Holy Spirit dwells in the Christian believer.

The twelve Fruits of the Holy Spirit are charity (or love), joy, peace, patience, benignity (or kindness), goodness, longanimity (or long suffering), mildness, faith, modesty, continency, and chastity.

http://catholicism.about.com/od/beliefsteachings/f/FAQ_Fruits_HS.htm

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Evangelist,

You quoted above:

Heb:9:15:

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And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance....

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You bolded and red highlighted the "eternal salvation" and I assume you are hingeing your point on that.


However, the same man - who wrote that sentence above - also wrote:

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Work out your salvation, with fear and trembling.

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What's up with that? Yeh! I'm eternal saved. Oh wait, now I'm not?

You might also recall, that prior to Christ's Resurrection and Ascension, the saints in the Old Testament were in the "abode" and they couldn't rise to their eternal salvation until Jesus opened the pathway.

Jesus can only die once, and by this act He became humanity's only mediator for sin. By His forgiveness, He makes repentant people righteous.

We are made righteous, in Christ, through His redemptive acts within us.

We put on the Body of Christ through Reconciliation (the armour of God) and we take in the Body of Christ through Eucharist and in this relationship with Christ, He tranforms us - mind, body and soul.

Humanity incorporates Divinity. The meeting of two humble wills.

The will of God into the will of man.

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If you think you are not re crucifying Jesus again and again then explain how you get your sins forgiven after you been born again and all your past sins were forgiven?

I look at my days, my interactions with self, others and with God and I use the Sacrament of Reconciliation that Christ gave to His Church through the Apostles. "Whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven. Whose sins you hold bound, they are held bound."

If Jesus blood was only once for all time given 2000 years ago how do you get new blood of Jesus to wash away your present sins you do or any sins after His death??

I have no idea what you are talking about. Jesus absolves me of my sins through the words of His priests.


When you repent what makes that sin be wash away?

His priest's words of absolution. "I absolve you of your sins in the name of Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

Also are you saying Jesus is treying to get our sins forgiven and hasn't done a complete job in which I bold in red??

Jesus is the only mediator of our sins. God the Father gave Him the power to forgive and absolve people of original sin and actual sin. Jesus deligated that power to His Church, through the Apostles and they through Apostolic succession. Christ is the gatekeeper.

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So is a priest taking the place of Jesus and becoming a new mediator??
The bible says there is only one mediator and that is Christ Jesus!

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The issue you have Faith which what I am saying is the fight against carnality VS spiritual and that is why you can't see who you are in Christ, and you are very sin conscious!

Also a born again christian when thzey sin will want to close the doors they open to satan [that is called repentance, the doors cannot be closed unless we repent], but knowing who you are un Christ we know we are always in perfect sinless standing in our spirit before God and that is the gospel truth!

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Jeremiah 31:33

"This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people."

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Romans 11:27

"And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."

2 Corinthians 3:3

"You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts."

1 Thessalonians 4:9


"Therefore, anyone who refuses to live by these rules is not disobeying human teaching but is rejecting God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you.

Now about brotherly love we do not need to write to you, for you yourselves have been taught by God to love each other.

And in fact, you do love all the brothers throughout Macedonia. Yet we urge you, brothers, to do so more and more.

Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business and to work with your hands, just as we told you, so that your daily life may win the respect of outsiders and so that you will not be dependent on anybody."

Hebrews 8:10

"This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people."

Hebrews 10:16

"This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."

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So is a priest taking the place of Jesus and becoming a new mediator??
The bible says there is only one mediator and that is Christ Jesus!

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In the Upper Room, after His Resurrection, Christ appeared to the 10 Apostles and He breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit."

And then He said to them, "Whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven."
"Whose sins you retain, they are retained."

Christ delegated His power to forgive sins to His Church, through Apostolic succession. The Apostles layed hands on men and ordained them Bishops, and the Bishops ordained priests and deacons.

Priests forgive our personal sin through the power delegated to them by Christ, through His Church.

Physically, when I confess my sins to His priest, it is human to human as an earthly process.

However - spiritually - it is my personalized soul seeking and receiving the healing grace from Christ.

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The issue you have Faith which what I am saying is the fight against carnality VS spiritual and that is why you can't see who you are in Christ, and you are very sin conscious!

Also a born again christian when thzey sin will want to close the doors they open to satan [that is called repentance, the doors cannot be closed unless we repent], but knowing who you are un Christ we know we are always in perfect sinless standing in our spirit before God and that is the gospel truth!

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That is not the Gospel truth, that is Evangelist's "truth". The Gospel says that we are washed clean, not that we remain clean should we choose to sin.

It is NOT possible to walk after both the flesh and the spirit. We can only do one or the other.

What you really don't get is that our old man seeks the flesh, our new man seeks the spirit. Let go of your old man and take on your new man.

Anyone who seeks to fulfill the lusts of the flesh is walking after the flesh, not the spirit. Why is this concept so difficult for you?

By ourselves it would be impossible to please God, but with Christ all is possible - NOT because He takes our place, but because the Holy Spirit dwells within us, and Christ grants us the grace to be all that God wants us to be.

Grace is not a get out of Hell free card, it is a force that allows US to be righteous by doing righteous. We do this because Christ is in us and we are in Christ.

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Where does it say in the Bible that rejecting Jesus is the ONLY sin that will cause your spirit to sin?


Quote Evangelist:
Joh:3:18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Do condemned people go to heaven?
You do know there is only two places a person will spend eternalty, and that is either heaven or hell right?

Also a person who is not born again goes to hell and on that issue only is the first reason and that alone they go to hell according to what Jesus said:

Joh:3:7: Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

When Jesus is saying there is no IF ,ands; and but'S, then it is the only way, plain and simple.
So rejecting the must be born again is the only sin which will send a person to hell according to Jesus statement , unless you don't believe in what Jesus has clearly said!
I accept that rejecting Jesus IS a sin. The Bible is clear on that. Now prove from the Bible that NO OTHER SIN can send a person to Hell.

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So FAITH are you agreeing what I bold in color about those many sciptures about our righteousness and about how we became sinners without doing any sins, and how we became righteous without doing righteous things or commandmend
memnts and laws to be Holy Justified, pure, righteous,and sons of God?

Remember the bold red is for sinners and the blue bold is for born again righteous christians!


Ro:5:14: Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Ro:5:15: But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Ro:5:16: And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.Ro:5:17: For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Notice it all about a gift, not about any obedience or disobedience of any commandment or about any sins we do, plus if any sins was done these scriptures are pointing to Adams and Eve sin, and Jesus righteousness and perfection as a gift towards make kind as believers!

Ro:5:18: Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

In this verse above is wy all unbelievers will go to hell with thier sins forgivem!

Ro:5:19: For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.Ro:5:20: Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

If you can understand what is the understand of MADE in the texts it will blow away your catholic religious spirit!

Ro:5:21: That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.


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So Faith did you understand what I am asking about Roman 5, because I want to get this straight before I go on to Romans 6 with will be the ice cream on the cake.

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HELLO FAITH AT LARGE!

So did you see why the only sin of renoucing or rejecting Jesus is what send a person to hell??

But yes when a person does not have Jesus all thier sins will be added on the sin of rejecting Jesus or renouncing Him because they don't have a Savour who is perfect for them and they reject the blood of Jesus which can only wash away all stains and and all sins!

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So is a priest taking the place of Jesus and becoming a new mediator??
The bible says there is only one mediator and that is Christ Jesus!

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In the Upper Room, after His Resurrection, Christ appeared to the 10 Apostles and He breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit."

And then He said to them, "Whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven."
"Whose sins you retain, they are retained."

Christ delegated His power to forgive sins to His Church, through Apostolic succession. The Apostles layed hands on men and ordained them Bishops, and the Bishops ordained priests and deacons.

Priests forgive our personal sin through the power delegated to them by Christ, through His Church.

Physically, when I confess my sins to His priest, it is human to human as an earthly process.

However - spiritually - it is my personalized soul seeking and receiving the healing grace from Christ.

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Then what does this mean to you?
Ro:2:11: For there is no respect of persons with God.

If the apostle as you say can only forgive sins then we as sons and daughter of God can do the same!

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God’s Just Judgment.

1* Therefore, you are without excuse,a every one of you who passes judgment.* For by the standard by which you judge another you condemn yourself, since you, the judge, do the very same things.

2We know that the judgment of God on those who do such things is true.

3Do you suppose, then, you who judge those who engage in such things and yet do them yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God?b

4Or do you hold his priceless kindness, forbearance, and patience in low esteem, unaware that the kindness of God would lead you to repentance?c

5By your stubbornness and impenitent heart,d you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of wrath and revelation of the just judgment of God,

6e who will repay everyone according to his works:*

7eternal life to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good works,

8but wrath and fury to those who selfishly disobey the truth and obey wickedness.f

9Yes, affliction and distress will come upon every human being who does evil, Jew first and then Greek.

10g But there will be glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good, Jew first and then Greek.

11* h There is no partiality with God.

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So is a priest taking the place of Jesus and becoming a new mediator??
The bible says there is only one mediator and that is Christ Jesus!

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In the Upper Room, after His Resurrection, Christ appeared to the 10 Apostles and He breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit."

And then He said to them, "Whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven."
"Whose sins you retain, they are retained."

Christ delegated His power to forgive sins to His Church, through Apostolic succession. The Apostles layed hands on men and ordained them Bishops, and the Bishops ordained priests and deacons.

Priests forgive our personal sin through the power delegated to them by Christ, through His Church.

Physically, when I confess my sins to His priest, it is human to human as an earthly process.

However - spiritually - it is my personalized soul seeking and receiving the healing grace from Christ.

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Then what does this mean to you?
Ro:2:11: For there is no respect of persons with God.

If the apostle as you say can only forgive sins then we as sons and daughter of God can do the same!

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Evangelist,

Surely, you don't consider yourself an Apostle, one given direct authority from God for the governance of His Church, delegated to forgive the sins of other people? God the Father sent His son to Earth, and He died to establish that right for Himself.

Where and how do you believe that you have been given the authority by God to forgive sin?

Romans 2:11 ?

I'm surprised that you should pull that particular sentence out to establish your point.

Romans 2 is packed with warnings about sins against neighbor, God's judgement, and God's judgement in accordance with our works.

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God’s Just Judgment.

1* Therefore, you are without excuse,a every one of you who passes judgment.* For by the standard by which you judge another you condemn yourself, since you, the judge, do the very same things.

2We know that the judgment of God on those who do such things is true.

3Do you suppose, then, you who judge those who engage in such things and yet do them yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God?b

4Or do you hold his priceless kindness, forbearance, and patience in low esteem, unaware that the kindness of God would lead you to repentance?c

5By your stubbornness and impenitent heart,d you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of wrath and revelation of the just judgment of God,

6e who will repay everyone according to his works:*

7eternal life to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good works,

8but wrath and fury to those who selfishly disobey the truth and obey wickedness.f

9Yes, affliction and distress will come upon every human being who does evil, Jew first and then Greek.

10g But there will be glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good, Jew first and then Greek.

11* h There is no partiality with God.

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*h * [2:11] No partiality with God: this sentence is not at variance with the statements in Rom 2:9–10. Since Jews are the first to go under indictment, it is only fair that they be given first consideration in the distribution of blessings. Basic, of course, is the understanding that God accepts no bribes (Dt 10:17).

h. [2:11] Dt 10:17; 2 Chr 19:7; Sir 35:12–13; Acts 10:34; Gal 2:6; Eph 6:9; Col 3:25; 1 Pt 1:17.

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The bible say we can do ALL thing through Christ Jesus do you know what is left over from ALL, and if forgiveness of sins a part of ALL things??

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St. Paul said in the letter to the Phillipians:

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I rejoice greatly in the Lord that now at last you revived your concern for me. You were, of course, concerned about me but lacked an opportunity.

Not that I say this because of need, for I have learned, in whatever situation I find myself, to be self-sufficient.

I know indeed how to live in humble circumstances; I know also how to live with abundance. In every circumstance and in all things I have learned the secret of being well fed and of going hungry, of living in abundance and of being in need.

I have the strength for everything through Him who empowers me.

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