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I have taught on this truth and teaching so many times and I find this is not taught in many churches and would like to get others views on this important topic!I give a very good example and teaching example with curtains explaning about our born again spirits , and how more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Hello FAITH
I was praying for you the other day and asking God for wisdom how can I bless you and reprove you to have God very best , and have knowledge from above to be a powerful sister in God perfect will.
So the Holy Spirit told me to ask you can a person who is dead in a grve yard still sin???
Yes or NO FAITH??
I don't know the Holy Spirit exactly told me to ask you question , but I am just being obedience to HIM so please answer the question!
one love
Thank the Holy Spirit for me. I have thanked Him already.
The answer is no.
Do you know why?
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Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Originally posted by evangelist
Hello FAITH
I was praying for you the other day and asking God for wisdom how can I bless you and reprove you to have God very best , and have knowledge from above to be a powerful sister in God perfect will.
So the Holy Spirit told me to ask you can a person who is dead in a grve yard still sin???
Yes or NO FAITH??
I don't know the Holy Spirit exactly told me to ask you question , but I am just being obedience to HIM so please answer the question!
one love
Thank the Holy Spirit for me. I have thanked Him already.
The answer is no.
Do you know why?
The Holy Ghost told me that you know in your heart what I am saying to you through means of the Holy Ghost with revelation knowledge, which will make us finally one real brother and sister in the Lord, and in one body which is in Christ, with one accord in understanding your new created born again spirit you have because you old spirit you were born with should have died, and that spirit was full of filth and sins, but your soul and body is going to a process of getting renewed everyday going to glory to glory!
But praise God your born again spirit has arrived in perfection and is as clean as Jesus is now in heaven and will remain clean eternalty, and that is why your born again spirit has eternal redemption and recieved eternal inheritance Gory to God!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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First off, where is the scripture that says your born again spirit does not sin? That is your imagination not the text.
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Can what is pure and holy sin?
second this scripture is more clear that we can't sin period, but we can throw away our salvation.
1Jo:3:9: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
The Holy Spirit does not sin. We can, but we are not permitted to do so.
The same author who wrote the verse above also said that if we say we are without sin, we are a liar. So clearly you have misunderstood what was written.
Those who are born again, and heeding the Holy Spirit within, will not seek to sin. That is very true. And if they should stumble, God will call them back. John did not say that our spirit stays clean while our body sins.
Our spirit is not a separate individual from our body.
Two, it does not matter which part of you sins. If we sin, it is against God. Any kind of sin.
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That is why at least one third of us can't sin and that is our born again spirit !
If you say our born again can sin and does , then you must admit that the Holy Spirit sins and can sin and get effected by sins we do in the mind and body!
Wrong. We are one person with a spirit a mind and a body. If we sin, then the whole person is guilty of that sin. No where in the Bible is the spirit held separately from the body in terms of sin.
Three, your flesh cannot sin without the cooperation of your spirit. If you spirit is separate from your body, then your bodies dies.
That is why God gave us a brand new born again spirit direct from heaven which is the spirit of Christ and as long as Christ never sinned so the same as our born again Spirit !
No. Our own spirit gets born again. Not a brand new spirit. The Holy Spirit from God does come to dwell in us, but that is God's spirit not us.
When you get born again , you will have no desire to sin because you are a new Creature in Chriost , like you instantly because a little Jesus as such in your bor again spirit , and because God know you would die without a spirit He had to give you a new spiritual transplant!
opne love
Well, the last part is easy enough to evaluate. The test is if you have no desire to sin. If you have no desire to sin, then you won't.
Simple.
So how did that work out for you?
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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First off, where is the scripture that says your born again spirit does not sin? That is your imagination not the text.
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Can what is pure and holy sin?
second this scripture is more clear that we can't sin period, but we can throw away our salvation.
1Jo:3:9: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
The Holy Spirit does not sin. We can, but we are not permitted to do so.
The same author who wrote the verse above also said that if we say we are without sin, we are a liar. So clearly you have misunderstood what was written.
Those who are born again, and heeding the Holy Spirit within, will not seek to sin. That is very true. And if they should stumble, God will call them back. John did not say that our spirit stays clean while our body sins.
Our spirit is not a separate individual from our body.
Two, it does not matter which part of you sins. If we sin, it is against God. Any kind of sin.
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That is why at least one third of us can't sin and that is our born again spirit !
If you say our born again can sin and does , then you must admit that the Holy Spirit sins and can sin and get effected by sins we do in the mind and body!
Wrong. We are one person with a spirit a mind and a body. If we sin, then the whole person is guilty of that sin. No where in the Bible is the spirit held separately from the body in terms of sin.
Three, your flesh cannot sin without the cooperation of your spirit. If you spirit is separate from your body, then your bodies dies.
That is why God gave us a brand new born again spirit direct from heaven which is the spirit of Christ and as long as Christ never sinned so the same as our born again Spirit !
No. Our own spirit gets born again. Not a brand new spirit. The Holy Spirit from God does come to dwell in us, but that is God's spirit not us.
When you get born again , you will have no desire to sin because you are a new Creature in Chriost , like you instantly because a little Jesus as such in your bor again spirit , and because God know you would die without a spirit He had to give you a new spiritual transplant!
opne love
Well, the last part is easy enough to evaluate. The test is if you have no desire to sin. If you have no desire to sin, then you won't.
Simple.
So how did that work out for you?
Well, that is not axactly true about you won't with you mind and body because 1Jo:1:8: If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
But everything else perfectly works out in your born again spirit which you won't sin!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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So when John said that we won't sin, he really meant our born again spirit won't sin, but our bodies are free to live like nothing has changed?
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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And when James talked about born again Christians getting their sins forfiven by the prayer of faith, he was just confused?
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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And Luke's Gospel account which was written for the Gentiles and not the Jews, Luke being a Greek speaking Gentile, was still for the Jews under the OLD Covenant and not for the Gentiles?
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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So when John said that we won't sin, he really meant our born again spirit won't sin, but our bodies are free to live like nothing has changed?
It not a matter of our born again won't sin it can't just like the Holy Spirit can't sin in which you know better!
But our mind will still have a sinful nature mind until Jesus comes back or you die and be instantly with the Lord with a new mind and new body brand new like your born again spirit!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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And when James talked about born again Christians getting their sins forfiven by the prayer of faith, he was just confused?
NO! He was not confussed , it just you don't study and divide the bible correctly!
Look at who is being addressed to forgive!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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So when John said that we won't sin, he really meant our born again spirit won't sin, but our bodies are free to live like nothing has changed?
It not a matter of our born again won't sin it can't just like the Holy Spirit can't sin in which you know better!
But our mind will still have a sinful nature mind until Jesus comes back or you die and be instantly with the Lord with a new mind and new body brand new like your born again spirit!
one love
So John was wrong. He really should have said that our spirit won't sin.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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And Luke's Gospel account which was written for the Gentiles and not the Jews, Luke being a Greek speaking Gentile, was still for the Jews under the OLD Covenant and not for the Gentiles?
Are you asking is the gentile people in the bible old testament people??
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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And when James talked about born again Christians getting their sins forfiven by the prayer of faith, he was just confused?
NO! He was not confussed , it just you don't study and divide the bible correctly!
Look at who is being addressed to forgive!
one love
No it doesn't.
Let's just rip out the section where it states that the ELDERS were called, and pretend that anyone can do the forgiving. Bottom line is that for the purposes of this particular discussion it does not matter in the slightest WHO is being addressed to forive.
It is Jesus who does the forgiving.
The only thing that matters is WHO is being forgiven and this is what you keep sidestepping.
WHO required an Elder to be called, WHO if they had any sins would have them forgiven by the prayer of faith?
The WHO was a born again Christian. The brethren are ALL BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS WHO HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST AND ACCEPTED HIM AS THEIR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOUR. These Christians were already forgiven for their past sins when they were born again.
SO WHY DID THIS BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN NOT HAVE HIS CURRENT SINS FORGIVEN?
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
Edited by Faith_at_Large on 05/27/2012 16:44:12
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So when John said that we won't sin, he really meant our born again spirit won't sin, but our bodies are free to live like nothing has changed?
It not a matter of our born again won't sin it can't just like the Holy Spirit can't sin in which you know better!
But our mind will still have a sinful nature mind until Jesus comes back or you die and be instantly with the Lord with a new mind and new body brand new like your born again spirit!
one love
So John was wrong. He really should have said that our spirit won't sin.
NO! JOHN was correct and the bible is the true word of God but not everyone is spiritual led to understand the bible so the carnal interpretation will alway be confused and many thing foolish to you and none sense:
1Co:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
And Luke's Gospel account which was written for the Gentiles and not the Jews, Luke being a Greek speaking Gentile, was still for the Jews under the OLD Covenant and not for the Gentiles?
Are you asking is the gentile people in the bible old testament people??
one love
No. You keep saying that Jesus came to teach the Old Covenant to the Jews in the First Century and that none of what He said applies to Born Again Christians.
Luke wrote his account of the Gospel for the Gentile Christians who knew little to nothing about the OT. But the way you talk, it seems that Luke waste his time. That he should have only wrote about Christ's death and resurrection and left it at that.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
So when John said that we won't sin, he really meant our born again spirit won't sin, but our bodies are free to live like nothing has changed?
It not a matter of our born again won't sin it can't just like the Holy Spirit can't sin in which you know better!
But our mind will still have a sinful nature mind until Jesus comes back or you die and be instantly with the Lord with a new mind and new body brand new like your born again spirit!
one love
So John was wrong. He really should have said that our spirit won't sin.
NO! JOHN was correct and the bible is the true word of God but not everyone is spiritual led to understand the bible so the carnal interpretation will alway be confused and many thing foolish to you and none sense:
1Co:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
one love
So the spiritual person will read and understand that his spirit is worshipping God in spirit and truth while his body is off committing adultery.
And the carnal person will be refraining from adultery and pornography on the mistaken belief that when Jesus said that if we love Him we will keep His commandments that He was talking to born again Christians, when in spirit and truth, Jesus was only talking to Jews of the old covenant that was imminently passing away.
Have I got it straight now?
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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