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I have taught on this truth and teaching so many times and I find this is not taught in many churches and would like to get others views on this important topic!I give a very good example and teaching example with curtains explaning about our born again spirits , and how more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Evangelist. My nature is a flesh and blood human being. So is yours.
We have been redeemed and we have the grace to resist sin.
In fact the Bible says that God knows how to deliver us out of temptation so that we won't sin. This was not speaking of our spirit, but of us.
It does not matter if you think your spirit is scott-free, we will be judged by what we do in the body, not the spirit.
I gave you the verse that explicitly states this.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
Edited by Faith_at_Large on 06/19/2012 12:03:17
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1John 1:8 states simply, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
Interesting article on Christianity's newly minted "Sinless Perfection" doctrine.
http://www.compassdistributors.ca/topics/sinless.htm
I have to wonder if this man-made doctrine is what has caused some Christians to "move beyond Christ".
Edited by bwellmysoul on 06/21/2012 16:00:31
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Nanner nanner boo boo.
My born again righteous spirit is better than y-o-u-r-s.
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Hebrews 12:7-8 says, "If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten?
But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons."
The Holy Spirit convicts the real children of God for their sins.
But fakes, even if they do not realize they are fakes, receive no conviction because, since they are not God’s sons, God does not discipline them.
Two points here point definitively to a condition of spiritual death for people who believe in sinless perfection.
First, the truth does not reside in people who say they have no sin.
Second, people who never feel conviction for their sins have never been adopted by the Father; they may think they are sons, but they are not.
Advocates of Sinless Perfection Refuse to Repent of Present Sin.
1John 1:8-10 says, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."
The very act of claiming to be sinless is a sin in itself, as this Scripture so ably demonstrates.
A person claiming not to have sin deceives himself or herself, and in effect calls Christ a liar.
http://www.compassdistributors.ca/topics/sinless.htm
P.S. In that Compass Distributors refers to the King James Bible for reference, it's a fairly safe bet that they aren't Catholic.
Edited by bwellmysoul on 06/21/2012 16:12:18
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Evangelist. My nature is a flesh and blood human being. So is yours.
We have been redeemed and we have the grace to resist sin.
In fact the Bible says that God knows how to deliver us out of temptation so that we won't sin. This was not speaking of our spirit, but of us.
It does not matter if you think your spirit is scott-free, we will be judged by what we do in the body, not the spirit.
I gave you the verse that explicitly states this.
Saying all this above does give me a understanding why you call yourself still a sinner, I can see that more clearly!
Sorry I am born again so I have a different nature from you or a sinner!  !
I am born again, I have been transformed into more than I was. And I have been given many graces to resist sin. I thank God for that every day. I can't imagine living a life where sin was such a burden I had to hope that it didn't count.
Thankfully, the Lord knows how to deliver me from temptation, and He has done an amazing job. I love being a born again Christian.
You can take it or leave it FAITH!
But I took my new Nature in my born again redeemed , righteous spirit, for eternalty!
Have you really? If that is true, then why do keep claiming that only your born again spirit was born again? Sometimes, you make it sound like it isn't even your spirit, but Jesus' spirit which was always sinless and did not need to be born again.
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I have a whole new nature. I put on my New Man and let my Old Man go. You seem very reluctant to do so.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Nanner nanner boo boo.
My born again righteous spirit is better than y-o-u-r-s.
A religious person would think that also!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Hebrews 12:7-8 says, "If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten?
But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons."
The Holy Spirit convicts the real children of God for their sins.
But fakes, even if they do not realize they are fakes, receive no conviction because, since they are not God’s sons, God does not discipline them.
Two points here point definitively to a condition of spiritual death for people who believe in sinless perfection.
First, the truth does not reside in people who say they have no sin.
Second, people who never feel conviction for their sins have never been adopted by the Father; they may think they are sons, but they are not.
Advocates of Sinless Perfection Refuse to Repent of Present Sin.
1John 1:8-10 says, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."
The very act of claiming to be sinless is a sin in itself, as this Scripture so ably demonstrates.
A person claiming not to have sin deceives himself or herself, and in effect calls Christ a liar.
http://www.compassdistributors.ca/topics/sinless.htm
P.S. In that Compass Distributors refers to the King James Bible for reference, it's a fairly safe bet that they aren't Catholic.
YES! it a difference to be a Christian or a catholic everyone is entitle to thier choice!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Ugh, are you saying that Catholics aren't Christians?
Or is this another of your "churchy" remarks?
As if, the 4th Commandment no longer applies to the followers of Christ.
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Ugh, are you saying that Catholics aren't Christians?
Or is this another of your "churchy" remarks?
As if, the 4th Commandment no longer applies to the followers of Christ.
Yes , they are not real born again saved Justified , sanctified , spirit filled , redeemed Christians!
They are what they are . Romans Catholics who are members of the vatican society.
JW say they are Christian as well , also saying they have the only truth, but they are also not , they are members of the watch tower society in NYC!
I have many friends who are catholic raised , and come to our pentecostal church and always say they will never stop being a catholic, but because they are born again and saved, they reject alot of the CC teaching even honor to a pope, prayer to Mary, prayer to the dead , and speak against a purgatory is from the pits of hell, so I think real catholic will even say they are not even Catholic anymore!
i will put a interview i did with a dedicate catholic on youtube for all to hear and see what he says, and still confess to be a faithful catholic!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Oh wow.
Ego in a Christian, bossing around the Holy Spirit.
Determining who is "real born again" and "saved Justified , sanctified , spirit filled , redeemed Christians!"
You should be ashamed.
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If anyone does not accept what the Catholic Church teaches, then they cease to be Catholic.
And if a Catholic leaves the Catholic Church to join another church of any kind, they have renounced Jesus Christ because they have rejected His Church.
Non-Catholics who were baptized as Christians with the proper Trinitarian formula and intent, are recognized as Christians and being members of the body of Christ. They are not considered to have renounced Christ because they did not really reject the Body of Christ as they did not have full knowledge.
Jesus promised that the gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church, yet many ex-Catholics have rejected the teachings of that Church. So either they believe that Jesus failed to preserve His Church, or they didn't care. Either way, they have renounced their Lord for the wider path.
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Oh wow.
Ego in a Christian, bossing around the Holy Spirit.
Determining who is "real born again" and "saved Justified , sanctified , spirit filled , redeemed Christians!"
You should be ashamed.
My witnessing!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
Oh wow.
Ego in a Christian, bossing around the Holy Spirit.
Determining who is "real born again" and "saved Justified , sanctified , spirit filled , redeemed Christians!"
You should be ashamed.
My witnessing!
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It is not witnessing, its pride. The sin of pride.
It is breaking of the 8th commandment.
Breaking commandments is bad very very bad.
Honestly you should be ashamed.
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
Oh wow.
Ego in a Christian, bossing around the Holy Spirit.
Determining who is "real born again" and "saved Justified , sanctified , spirit filled , redeemed Christians!"
You should be ashamed.
My witnessing!
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It is not witnessing, its pride. The sin of pride.
It is breaking of the 8th commandment.
Breaking commandments is bad very very bad.
Honestly you should be ashamed.
I heard this same story said to Jesus by the sadusees and pharisees , even claim Jesus us the same power of satan, and should be ashame of HIMSELF, and Jesus had pride:
M't:9:30: And their eyes were opened; and Jesus straitly charged them, saying, See that no man know it.
M't:9:31: But they, when they were departed, spread abroad his fame in all that country.
M't:9:32: As they went out, behold, they brought to him a dumb man possessed with a devil.
M't:9:33: And when the devil was cast out, the dumb spake: and the multitudes marvelled, saying, It was never so seen in Israel.
M't:9:34: But the Pharisees said, He casteth out devils through the prince of the devils.
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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