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I have taught on this truth and teaching so many times and I find this is not taught in many churches and would like to get others views on this important topic!I give a very good example and teaching example with curtains explaning about our born again spirits , and how more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Yes. ALL things become new. NOT just a part.
Again if a person say they are a prisoner in a jail cell, but still are free in the streets,and tell you they are a prisoner in jail what would you think?
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I would say that you still don't understand.
I keep saying that I am a child of God, sealed with the seal of Adoption and a member of the Body of Christ, abiding in HIM as HE abides in me.
Now I see a lot of prisoners who go around claiming that they are free. What do you think about that?
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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I would say that you still don't understand.
I keep saying that I am a child of God, sealed with the seal of Adoption and a member of the Body of Christ, abiding in HIM as HE abides in me.
Now I see a lot of prisoners who go around claiming that they are free. What do you think about that?
How are they a prisoner when they are not in a prison??
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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They are in prison. Complete with bars and locks and shackles and guards.
But they convince themselves that they are free and imagine blue skies and green grass all around them and laugh at those who are trying to convince them to come out from their bondage.
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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They are in prison. Complete with bars and locks and shackles and guards.
But they convince themselves that they are free and imagine blue skies and green grass all around them and laugh at those who are trying to convince them to come out from their bondage.
Then why are saying or confessing a bad message which is not a gospel of truth to say you are in prison and what to get out instead of staying in?
If that person think they are free,while still in a prison still locked up like you said they need help, and that is why i am trying to help you to get free and be free!
It is like my joy to be a lawyer fighting for your case as such FAITH, but you are refusing to let me help you and be your own prisoner , can't you see that??
if you be who you are in Christ and in the spirit you will be free, and also to be free indeed!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Hello Faith
I like the title you have given yourself as FAITH_at LARGE!
Why don't you keep calling yourself exactly that instead of FAITH_at LARGE thee sinner, and leave sinner out of your added name? 
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 07/16/2012 03:14:43
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I don't add "sinner" to my name. I have it in my "Confession" prayer which I say to God every day. You keep adding to my name as if a confession were a title.
You don't go around calling Saint Paul "sinner Paul" and he did the same thing. A confession is not the same as a label.
If you don't see me sinning, you have no right to label me a sinner. Even if I confess to being one. My confession is not a confession that I am mired in sin and refusing to get out. On the contrary, I am petitioning Jesus to continue to walk with me so that I may be perfect like Him.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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I don't add "sinner" to my name. I have it in my "Confession" prayer which I say to God every day. You keep adding to my name as if a confession were a title.
You don't go around calling Saint Paul "sinner Paul" and he did the same thing. A confession is not the same as a label.
If you don't see me sinning, you have no right to label me a sinner. Even if I confess to being one. My confession is not a confession that I am mired in sin and refusing to get out. On the contrary, I am petitioning Jesus to continue to walk with me so that I may be perfect like Him.
Basically you are playing with words which is very dangerious, and this is my point!
I know what a sinner is and that is any unbeliever so are you a unbeliever?
if not then you can't use that name no more even when you do fall short like every other human being, and christians!
M'r:11:22: And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
M'r:11:23: For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
M'r:11:24: Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
So why you don't pray you are the righteousness of God by faith and believe that, and recieve your righteousness like other born again christians?
Don't you desire to be a daughter of God and a saint a righteous saved born again justified believer??
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Exactly, whatever I desire, when I pray, I know that I will receive them and have them - that is the point of my little prayer.
Why do you keep calling God a liar by saying that instead of forgiving my tresspasses He will instead send me to Hell?
And I am a daughter of God and I am born again. As to the rest, those are areas that are ongoing in the life of a Christian. We all start that way, but to continue that way, we must listen to Christ and do what He told us.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Exactly, whatever I desire, when I pray, I know that I will receive them and have them - that is the point of my little prayer.
Why do you keep calling God a liar by saying that instead of forgiving my tresspasses He will instead send me to Hell?
And I am a daughter of God and I am born again. As to the rest, those are areas that are ongoing in the life of a Christian. We all start that way, but to continue that way, we must listen to Christ and do what He told us.
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I think you are confussing me with G4!
I only quote how you are sending yourself to hell as a sinner.
I am fighting for you not against you!
I am hoping and praying, and teaching the truth for your best and so we both can be united in Christ body together as saints and brothers and sters in the Lord and not members of satans den and false accusations of a sinner as you confess!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 07/19/2012 07:04:21
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There is no condemnation in those who seek the Lord's forgiveness.
You may not be behaving like G4, but you are making sins out of things that are not sinful.
Adultery is a mortal sin. The Bible clearly says that this sin will send us to Hell.
Confessing that we are sinners and seeking forgivenss is exactly what Jesus came to teach us and help us with.
Even Paul called himself a sinner. Not in the unrepentant, unrighteous, unholy sense, but in the sense that as a sinner, Paul puts his trust in Jesus to save him.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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There is no condemnation in those who seek the Lord's forgiveness.
You may not be behaving like G4, but you are making sins out of things that are not sinful.
Adultery is a mortal sin. The Bible clearly says that this sin will send us to Hell.
Confessing that we are sinners and seeking forgivenss is exactly what Jesus came to teach us and help us with.
Even Paul called himself a sinner. Not in the unrepentant, unrighteous, unholy sense, but in the sense that as a sinner, Paul puts his trust in Jesus to save him.
The bible say those who are in Christ Jesus has no condenation!
There you go again in not understanding in what I made clear in your error about the meaning of (are) and you take important key words out of contexts!
It is just like JW's do with John 1:1 and take one single word out of context to make thier false doctrine stand against who Jesus is as God and just another little!
You do this all the time with scriptures pointing to the too good gift of the gospel and make void the grace and unmerit gospel of Christ and the cross!
You can't say rejecting is not a sin or renouncing Jesus is not a sin that is so untrue!
The sin of adultery does not send a person to hell, but does help satan come to his will when you do it to destroy a relationship with your partner and the will of God for your life, and also satan will use that situation to condemn you of not being a christian because he is an accuser of the brotheren, and you will sooner or latter just throw your hand up on God and give up on tristing Him and having relatioonship with Him because of that sexual sin make you look so dirty and rotten, unworthy and lustful, and even to a point one day that , that sexual sin become your new god you fell in love with over Almighty God and you hide from God like Adam and Eve did in the garden!
Also you might even come to a point to brain wash yourself that adutery is ok and you are doing no one harm as such and decieve yourself unto unrighteousness, before God and men!
That is why homosexuality and the gay life is such a big deception at large today and why God hates that sin at most, but stills love the people but not the sin and the spirit of it!
If a person has a heart attack while commiting that adultery sin as a christian and never got a chance to repent and die in that sin as a born again Christian they will no way go to hell as you think, and that you are trying to convince yourself.
The attitude you have against it is completely correct and we as christian should see it bad and don'*t do it because it doesn't please man or the Father, but it will not sin you to a hell with satan and all the demons!
But still even though this is true it doesn't give no one the right to commit such thing because they won't go to hell for that sexual sin, that is mocking God and dangerious to your soul and if you live in it for a very long time will help you deny Jesus and renounce Jesus as your Saviour, and there is no return specially if you knew Christ as a mature christian or you were some priest or nun, pope, pastor, minister or teacher of the faith and renounce Jesus because of that on going action is a sin (unto) death which I would not like to talk about and that is exactly what John was sayin in 1 John 5, which is a sin of renouncing Jesus AS a mature pastor or priest which can not come back to Christ and their is no remmjision or forgiveness of that sin!
Again Hebrew is well clear on this truth and the one sin of renouncing Christ or rejection is thier choice to the pits of hell which Jesus or God can not do anything against your that choice and sin!
The only way that one sin can be forgiven is to sacrifice Jesus on the cross again and have a repeat of His death , burial and resurrection again after they repented from renouncing Him, and we both know that will never happen!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 07/20/2012 04:49:33
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Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
You play fast and loose with the scriptures. That phrase is conditional. Those who are IN Christ Jesus who walk after the flesh will be condemned.
Don't be separating your body from your spirit, that is not what this passage is about. The Spirit here is capitalized in the KJV because it is referring to the Holy Spirit. And the "walk" is used in both cases because either path is done by the whole PERSON, not just flesh or spirit.
There is no doing one thing with your body while your spirit does something else. The Holy Spirit will warn you, but the guilt is your own if you yeild to sin, and this guilt applies to the whole person, not just the flesh or the mind.
ALL is made new, not just part. The only NEW spirit that enters your body when you are born again is the Holy Spirit to bear witness with your spirit to guide YOU.
And I did not say that rejecting Jesus is not a sin. I have always acknowledged that it is a very serious sin. Where we disagree is the idea that it is the only sin that cuts us off from God.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Romans 8:12-13 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Paul is not writing to unbelievers here. He clearly identified his audience earlier as having been raise to new Life in Christ. These are born again Christians and he is warning them to not live after the flesh.
He says that if we feel tempted to walk after the flesh, the Holy Spirit will help us to stop this unrighteous activity and repent. Paul actually spoke of pummeling his body elsewhere to keep it under control so the he would not lose his salvation. He may have been speaking literally, many Christians did inflict pain on themselves to remind themselves to avoid sin, or Paul may have simply been referring to exercising his willpower to resist temptation.
In either case, Paul was doing everything he could to keep himself from walking after the flesh, which according to him leads to death/hell.
Paul was not worried about physical death because many early Christians died a martyr's death, himself included. And he was a direct witness to Christian martyrdom through those he persecuted before being converted.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
You play fast and loose with the scriptures. That phrase is conditional. Those who are IN Christ Jesus who walk after the flesh will be condemned.
Don't be separating your body from your spirit, that is not what this passage is about. The Spirit here is capitalized in the KJV because it is referring to the Holy Spirit. And the "walk" is used in both cases because either path is done by the whole PERSON, not just flesh or spirit.
There is no doing one thing with your body while your spirit does something else. The Holy Spirit will warn you, but the guilt is your own if you yeild to sin, and this guilt applies to the whole person, not just the flesh or the mind.
ALL is made new, not just part. The only NEW spirit that enters your body when you are born again is the Holy Spirit to bear witness with your spirit to guide YOU.
And I did not say that rejecting Jesus is not a sin. I have always acknowledged that it is a very serious sin. Where we disagree is the idea that it is the only sin that cuts us off from God.
This is completly true with a sinner but not a born again believer who is born from God from the spirit !
that is why your born again new spirit, which is the new creature according to the bible is apart from your mind or soul and body!
2Co:5:17: Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2Co:5:18: And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2Co:5:19: To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2Co:5:20: Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
2Co:5:21: For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
If you can really get what these scriptures are saying it will destroy your religion of error, and false philosphy!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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