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I have taught on this truth and teaching so many times and I find this is not taught in many churches and would like to get others views on this important topic!I give a very good example and teaching example with curtains explaning about our born again spirits , and how more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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And to your other post on the meaning if "is" - you are the one who is confused. You claim that "is" only refers to your spirit and nothing else when the passage clearly says that ALL become new.
I am a new creature in Christ, not just a new spirit. Unless you are referring to angels, a creature is not a spirit. A creature may have a spirit, but is not just a spirit.
We are a new creature in Christ. Right now. And have been since the moment of our baptism.
But to really see it, you need to accept it and live it. To many refuse to accept what Christ has done for them and hang on to their old man. Let it go, we don't need it anymore.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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The difference is that they have manmade traditions, but the Vatican has traditions instituted by Christ.
Traditions, whether sacred (from Christ) or manmade, are not bad unless they countermand the Word of God. And unfortunately, there are many traditions among Protestantism that do this.
The Bible says that we must keep the Commandments to have eternal life. Protestants twist the scriptures to separate "eternal life" from "salvation" and then claim that salvation is by Faith alone and that keeping the commandments of God is not necessary except for the unbeleiver.
The Bible says that the Apostles and the presbyters of the Church have the authority to forgive sins, and yet Protests cry foul and say that we don't even need to repent of our sins.
Paul says we must work out our salvation with fear and trembling and Protestants say that we should block out any fear or trembling and count this as Satanic.
I will stick with Christ on this, and not go following any man-made traditions that seek to steal my salvation from me.
First of all we got saved by velieving not by traditions of any club, it is a heart that make us saved and using your heart is the faith part , and believing and trusting Jesus is your part which made you righteous and holy before God instantly , and that is what we call the gospel!
Most religious people say it is to good to be true and too easy, becausr they need things to be worked out or they have to earn or obey to a higher level of qualification, or follow some club religious rules perfectly to get accepted in a churchy!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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You are getting flustered and changing the topic. No one is claiming that we are saved by anything or anyone other than Jesus.
It is rock solid Catholic teaching that we are saved by Grace through Faith. We accept what Paul teaches, and of course all that Christ taught.
Now get back on track and deal what I wrote.
The Bible says certain things that you reject. I am not speaking of man made traditions but clear Biblical teachings that are written out plain as day.
So why won't you accept what is in the Bible instead of trying make void the Word of God by your tradition?
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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You are getting flustered and changing the topic. No one is claiming that we are saved by anything or anyone other than Jesus.
It is rock solid Catholic teaching that we are saved by Grace through Faith. We accept what Paul teaches, and of course all that Christ taught.
Now get back on track and deal what I wrote.
The Bible says certain things that you reject. I am not speaking of man made traditions but clear Biblical teachings that are written out plain as day.
So why won't you accept what is in the Bible instead of trying make void the Word of God by your tradition?
Because you have so many wrong interpretaions and the bible we have is correct it only the wrong transaltion or revelation people get when reading and giving thier own opinions in what the scriptures are really saying and teaching!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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If my interpretations are wrong, then go to my verses and show me how I got them wrong. Use the surrounding passages as context to show exactly where I went wrong and how to make it right.
Just because what I say does not fit with your manmade theology is not evidence that I am wrong. Prove it.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
If my interpretations are wrong, then go to my verses and show me how I got them wrong. Use the surrounding passages as context to show exactly where I went wrong and how to make it right.
Just because what I say does not fit with your manmade theology is not evidence that I am wrong. Prove it.
Explain what is a new creature to you!
2Co:5:17: Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2Co:5:18: And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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It means we have been born again. And when we are born again, we are new IN Christ. Body and Soul and Spirit.
ALL become new, not this becomes new and that stays old. MAN is us, our flesh and blood selves with our spirit. Man does not ever refer to a spirit being - that is an angel.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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It means we have been born again. And when we are born again, we are new IN Christ. Body and Soul and Spirit.
ALL become new, not this becomes new and that stays old. MAN is us, our flesh and blood selves with our spirit. Man does not ever refer to a spirit being - that is an angel.
No, I asked about the meaning of a new CREATURE, not a new act!
What is the meaning of Creature to you??
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I explained it to you before and you keep doing this little dance, so you explain to me what you think the new CREATURE (creation) is to you.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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I explained it to you before and you keep doing this little dance, so you explain to me what you think the new CREATURE (creation) is to you.
Sence you don't want to answer me directly because it will reveal your interpretation as false I would give you an better simple and clear analogy to explain a new creature, which you think is a new act or some membership as such!
The new creature is like a werewolf only the wérewolf as being the born again creature and not evil and augly, but all righteous and beautiful creature and holy before God!The werewolf part of us or the spiritual part of us is like we have turn into Jesus or anthropomorphic Jesus like and we stay that way before God until death unless we kill our spirit by denouncing Jesus, or when a person reject Him they are already dead!
wolf-like creature,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werewolf
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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A werewolf will still be affected by the abhorrent desires of a werewolf even after he accepts the new role that God has given him.
It's through his belief and awareness of the will of God, that he can choose (step-by-step)to convert his thought processes and commit to changing his actions.
That's why God instituted the Day of Atonement with the Jews and it is also why He delegated to the Apostles His ability to forgive or hold sins bound.
And why, in His Church today, we are able to receive His grace through the Sacrament of Reconciliation.
Edited by bwellmysoul on 04/26/2012 07:04:13
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Care to further explain this paragraph? In particular to specify which faiths you feel are "club religions"?
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First of all we got saved by velieving not by traditions of any club, it is a heart that make us saved and using your heart is the faith part , and believing and trusting Jesus is your part which made you righteous and holy before God instantly , and that is what we call the gospel!
Most religious people say it is to good to be true and too easy, becausr they need things to be worked out or they have to earn or obey to a higher level of qualification, or follow some club religious rules perfectly to get accepted in a churchy!
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Evangelist, are you saying that your New Creature is something that only comes out when the moon is full?
The problem with that is that a Werewolf is not a new creature. It is merely the alter-ego of the original creature. Nothing new about it.
According to most legends, this condition is a disease infecting the individual and turning into a wolf is a symptom of that disease.
Now, if you are saying that God "infects" us with a good disease that brings about a positive transformation, that is not such a horrible thing, but it goes against the "new creature" that the Bible talks about - BUT, for the sake of our discussion, I will accept your definition.
So lets start from this point. God infects us with a good virus which transforms us from our old sinful selves into creatures of grace. But, like the werewolf, this graced creature is a symptom that if we resist it, it will go away and we will return to being our old sinful selves - our old man instead of our new man.
How does that change ANY THING that I wrote?
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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A werewolf will still be affected by the abhorrent desires of a werewolf even after he accepts the new role that God has given him.
It's through his belief and awareness of the will of God, that he can choose (step-by-step)to convert his thought processes and commit to changing his actions.
That's why God instituted the Day of Atonement with the Jews and it is also why He delegated to the Apostles His ability to forgive or hold sins bound.
And why, in His Church today, we are able to receive His grace through the Sacrament of Reconciliation.
Are you saying a werewolf can believe and make choices or are you saying what you say like how you can clean up a pig and dress it up but will still wallow in the dirt and mud because of it pig nature?
If you were to say that is exactly how we are in our mind and body i would agree , but i am talking about the bible disception of our new creature or new spiritual man we recieve when we get born again!
I hope you know this new creature came from above , from heaven, and directly from God Himself!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 04/26/2012 14:16:49
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Care to further explain this paragraph? In particular to specify which faiths you feel are "club religions"?
[quote]First of all we got saved by velieving not by traditions of any club, it is a heart that make us saved and using your heart is the faith part , and believing and trusting Jesus is your part which made you righteous and holy before God instantly , and that is what we call the gospel!
Most religious people say it is to good to be true and too easy, because they need things to be worked out or they have to earn or obey to a higher level of qualification, or follow some club religious rules perfectly to get accepted in a churchy
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