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Why do catholics light candles for the dead, And why do they say prayers for the dead.And why do they do penance/works for the dead.Does anyone know??.
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
It looks like I know more about the catholic chucrch and it's history then you do, And I'm not a catholic, THANK GOD.
Those books weren't in the original manuscripts, Tha catholics added them in to fit there evil doctrines.
http://www.catholicapologetics.org/ap030700.htm
The catholic church does have nearly 34.000 branches all believibg different things.
Prove it, name 10 different (of your supposed 34,000 Catholic branches).
Even your councils disagree with each other.
catholics not only lie about the Bible, But they lie about their own church and church history.
Why do you persist in your lies about the Catholic Church? Don't you have any goodness to speak of concerning the Church you attend? You are prejudiced anti-Catholic and know only what you've been fed by other prejudiced anti-Catholics.
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I am telling you the truth, If you check it out, You'll see that I am right.
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Originally posted by God4me
I am telling you the truth, If you check it out, You'll see that I am right.
I'm asking you again to prove it; name 10 different branches of the Catholic Church who believe, preach and teach differently from the main body (of your supposed 34,000).
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Originally posted by God4me
I am telling you the truth, If you check it out, You'll see that I am right.
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I'm asking you again to prove it; name 10 different branches of the Catholic Church who believe, preach and teach differently from the main body (of your supposed 34,000).
Check it out for yourself, Why would I say it on the world wide wb if it wasn't true???.
You can start on youtube or google.
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Zero proof to back up your defamations.
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as usual. it's about all g4 can muster, just whine and complain and expect that to compensate for his ignorance.
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Mark 15:33 And when the sixth hour had come, there was darkness over the whole earth until the ninth hour. 34 And at the ninth hour, Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying: Eloi, Eloi, lamma sabacthani? Which is, being interpreted: My God, My God, Why have you forsaken me? 35 And some of the standers by hearing, said: Behold he calls Elias. 36 And one running and filling a sponge with vinegar and putting it upon a reed, gave him to drink, saying: Stay, let us see if Elias come to take him down. 37 And Jesus, having cried out with a loud voice, gave up the ghost.
this is anther interesting proof about praying to the saints. notice one that the people misunderstood what jesus was actually calling out to god, but they thought he was calling for elijah to come and help him. they even mock saying lets see if he comes. the point though is that the concept seems to be evident. the crowd doens't accuse jesus of praying to a saint or call him a heretic for it. it seems like the crowd understood that such a prayer may have been normal. nobody rent their garments over it.
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Interesting. I never thought of that. It's often overlooked how silence in the Scriptures can say a lot.
"Be good, keep your feet dry, your eyes open, your heart at peace and your soul in the joy of Christ." - Thomas Merton
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Mark 15:33 And when the sixth hour had come, there was darkness over the whole earth until the ninth hour. 34 And at the ninth hour, Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying: Eloi, Eloi, lamma sabacthani? Which is, being interpreted: My God, My God, Why have you forsaken me? 35 And some of the standers by hearing, said: Behold he calls Elias. 36 And one running and filling a sponge with vinegar and putting it upon a reed, gave him to drink, saying: Stay, let us see if Elias come to take him down. 37 And Jesus, having cried out with a loud voice, gave up the ghost.
this is anther interesting proof about praying to the saints. notice one that the people misunderstood what jesus, was actually calling out to god, but they thought he was calling for elijah to come and help him. they even mock saying lets see if he comes. the point though is that the concept seems to be evident. the crowd doens't accuse jesus of praying to a saint or call him a heretic for it. it seems like the crowd understood that such a prayer may have been normal. nobody rent their garments over it.
1)The men who thought it might be Elijah weren't makeing a doctrine out of the departed saints apearing to people.
Nowhere in the New Testament Church does it say we can comunicate with the departed saints.
We have Angels, Jesus and the Holy Spirit to tell us things.
Why would we need the departed saints??.
We have Jesus and the Holy Spirit interceding for us.
Why would we need the departed saints??..WAKE UP.
2)Mk 15: 34--36 isn't proof that we can pray to the departed saints or the can pray for us, Or help us. STOP TWISTING THE SCRIPTURES.
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Interesting. I never thought of that. It's often overlooked how silence in the Scriptures can say a lot.
For the truth,Read my repy to it.
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1)The men who thought it might be Elijah weren't makeing a doctrine out of the departed saints apearing to people.
Nowhere in the New Testament Church does it say we can comunicate with the departed saints.
We have Angels, Jesus and the Holy Spirit to tell us things.
Why would we need the departed saints??.
We have Jesus and the Holy Spirit interceding for us.
Why would we need the departed saints??..WAKE UP.
you wake up. my point still stands that the practice was clearly accepted and this verse is proof. you lack proof for your claims and argue from silence.. that doesn't do much g4. we have given several biblical examples from your reduced canon which is more than you could produce for your anti biblical claim about being slain in the spirit. you lose.
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2)Mk 15: 34--36 isn't proof that we can pray to the departed saints or the can pray for us, Or help us. STOP TWISTING THE SCRIPTURES.
im not twisting them i'm only telling you what they say because it seems to conflict with your comments g4. your the one trying to deny what clearly happened here. you make claims that things cannot be but the bible never backs you up. there is no prohibition on infant baptism, there is no prohibition or statement claiming that saints cannot pray for us. those are your doctrines that you pulled out of this air.
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Originally posted by mikejuli
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1)The men who thought it might be Elijah weren't makeing a doctrine out of the departed saints apearing to people.
Nowhere in the New Testament Church does it say we can comunicate with the departed saints.
We have Angels, Jesus and the Holy Spirit to tell us things.
Why would we need the departed saints??.
We have Jesus and the Holy Spirit interceding for us.
Why would we need the departed saints??..WAKE UP.
you wake up. my point still stands that the practice was clearly accepted and this verse is proof. you lack proof for your claims and argue from silence.. that doesn't do much g4. we have given several biblical examples from your reduced canon which is more than you could produce for your anti biblical claim about being slain in the spirit. you lose.
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2)Mk 15: 34--36 isn't proof that we can pray to the departed saints or the can pray for us, Or help us. STOP TWISTING THE SCRIPTURES.
im not twisting them i'm only telling you what they say because it seems to conflict with your comments g4. your the one trying to deny what clearly happened here. you make claims that things cannot be but the bible never backs you up. there is no prohibition on infant baptism, there is no prohibition or statement claiming that saints cannot pray for us. those are your doctrines that you pulled out of this air.
1)If God forbids comunications with the departed, [And He does], Why do catholics teach it??
2)Jesus said no one will believe if a departed person come back and tells them somthing,So why do catholics believe manifestations of the so-called departded saints and the so-called Mary??.
So,The practice wasn't taught in the Christian doctrine.
You are practicing evil doctrines.
3)You haven't given me Biblical examples, You HAVE twisted the Bible to make it say what you want it to say.
4)You have a cheek to say I lack proof when I give you scriptures for what I say,
When you either don't give scriptures, Or when you do, You twist them.
5)You are twisting Mk 15: 34--36, You are making a false docrine out of some people's thinking that Jesus was calling for Elijah.
STOP TELLING LIES.
6)The Bible doesn't teach infant baptism, The Bible teaches that a person has to Know, Believe, accept, Repent and get born again to be saved.
How can an infant, know, Believe, accept and repent???..WAKE UP.
Can't you see how you are making a doctrine that isn't Biblical??.
7)Infant baptism, praying to the dead or praying for the dead, Or the dead praying for us, Aren't found in the Bible, So you have no rights to teach those false doctrines.
Can't you see how you accept and believe the catholic councils and canons above the Bible??.
That is because the catholic com-men have deceived you into believing catholics have the aunhority to change the truth.
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G4,
Enormous difference between "conjuring up the dead" - which is called necromancy - and praying in intercession with the souls of Jesus' saints.
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P.S. Still waiting on your proof that the Catholic Church is teaching, preaching and believing 34,000 seperate branches of Catholicism.
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1)If God forbids comunications with the departed, [And He does], Why do catholics teach it??
god doesn't forbid praying to saints. he does forbid necromancy and conjuring or controling spirits. big difference.
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2)Jesus said no one will believe if a departed person come back and tells them somthing,So why do catholics believe manifestations of the so-called departded saints and the so-called Mary??.
i would note the people jesus was talking about there. who wouldn't believe such a thing? well the people that didn't believe moses and the prophets. this actually support my position...
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So,The practice wasn't taught in the Christian doctrine.
You are practicing evil doctrines.
looks like it was practiced very early on in christianity and that the practice goes right back to jewish times when they would pray for their dead. we see jesus conversing with moses and elijah, we hear that the voice of rachel was heard weeping for her chilren, we see people assuming jesus was calling on elijah to help him. we see angels being sent to convey messages and having actual conversations with people.
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3)You haven't given me Biblical examples, You HAVE twisted the Bible to make it say what you want it to say.
nope that's your tactic not mine.
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4)You have a cheek to say I lack proof when I give you scriptures for what I say,
When you either don't give scriptures, Or when you do, You twist them.
i say you lack proof because you lack proof. either provide solid proof in accordance with your own criteria or back off. i'm only holding you to the same standard you hold others. if you cannot handle it don't whine to me.
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5)You are twisting Mk 15: 34--36, You are making a false docrine out of some people's thinking that Jesus was calling for Elijah.
STOP TELLING LIES.
no i'm not. it's right there. why would they be saying such a thing if they didn't think that was what was going on? the bible records this as happening and its the only logical way it could be understood. they thought he was calling on elijah. they didn't call him a blasphemer for doing so. that they even mention the thing implies that it was a practice otherwise how would they have even mentioned it as possible?
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6)The Bible doesn't teach infant baptism, The Bible teaches that a person has to Know, Believe, accept, Repent and get born again to be saved.
How can an infant, know, Believe, accept and repent???..WAKE UP.
Can't you see how you are making a doctrine that isn't Biblical??.
the bible doesn't teach being slain in the spirit and yet you believe that. wake up yourself.
[qutoe]7)Infant baptism, praying to the dead or praying for the dead, Or the dead praying for us, Aren't found in the Bible, So you have no rights to teach those false doctrines.
and you have no rights to your false doctrines about being slain in the spirit. again you are a hypocrite. i don't need to take you seriously because you don't take yourself seriously. if you did then you would stand by your own beliefs and reject being slain in the spirit for the pagan spiritual masturbation it really is.
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Can't you see how you accept and believe the catholic councils and canons above the Bible??.
well since we got the bible from such councils i don't see the problem catholic believe isn't opposed to the bible g4. even the bible records a council in acts..
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That is because the catholic com-men have deceived you into believing catholics have the aunhority to change the truth.
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nope. your the con man. and so far i don't think anyone is falling for your con.
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Jesus said no one will believe if a departed person come back and tells them somthing,So why do catholics believe manifestations of the so-called departded saints and the so-called Mary??.
"...the so-called Mary?"
Are you daring to be disrespectful of Jesus' mother?
Edited by bwellmysoul on 04/04/2012 11:45:37
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