Why did God ask Abraham to sacrifice Isaac?
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I do not believe that there is a simple answer to this question. In my opinion, the answer lies within the attributes of God and the reason for Sacred Scripture. This question has haunted me for years and after attending the vigil liturgy on Saturday I revisited it.
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1)If God could do what He wants, He would make you leave the catholic church...NOW that will be a good thing.
If God could do what He wants, He would heal all the sick, He would feed all the hungry, He would stop people doing horible things.
They all are good things.
Let me see......Are you saying that God cannot heal the sick, feed the hungry and stop people from doing horrible things?
Certainly God is all-powerful and will end poverty and illness when He wills it at the end of this age. I would remind you, however, that God created man in a state of being where hunger, sickness and death did not exist. Salvation history continues.
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Originally posted by keeper49
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Do you realise what you said and believe??
Of course I know what I said which I believe. God knows everything, everywhere and every when. This is baby food for believers as far as doctrine is concerned, probably what St. Paul was talking about.
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If God knew Adam and Eve would fall, That makes Him responsiblefor everthing that is bad.
NO, it makes man responsible. Every evil in this world is a direct result of man usurping God's authority outside what God had already given.
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If God knew that He would create man and they would sin,fall and cause all the suffering to mankind, That makes your god [Small g] an evil god.
But the catholic god is evil, Thats why he started the catholic chirch.
If your God did not know that man would sin, he is not God. You are a perfect example of a person seeing the sliver in another's eye and failing to notice the beam in thine own. Here we have a would be born again who portends to know greek and fails to understand basic tenets of what or who God is.
Yes God knew and knows every choice you or anyone will ever make that's why He is the Supreme being.
Think about how much God must love us knowing we would fall. It's mind boggling.
Think about what you are saying.
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God knew that man would fall and bring about all the suffering in the world, But He still went ahead and created man.
BOY, You view of God makes him evil.
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Originally posted by keeper49
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1)If God could do what He wants, He would make you leave the catholic church...NOW that will be a good thing.
If God could do what He wants, He would heal all the sick, He would feed all the hungry, He would stop people doing horible things.
They all are good things.
Let me see......Are you saying that God cannot heal the sick, feed the hungry and stop people from doing horrible things?
Certainly God is all-powerful and will end poverty and illness when He wills it at the end of this age. I would remind you, however, that God created man in a state of being where hunger, sickness and death did not exist. Salvation history continues.
Your view of God believes God is evil.
You make man better than God, Because if we could end all suffering, sickness and poverty NOW, We would do it.
But you say God will do it when He wills, at the end of the age.
That is just another reason why the catholic church is very evil.
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that makes no sense g4. what are you talking about?
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Think about what you are saying.
You say,
God knew that man would fall and bring about all the suffering in the world, But He still went ahead and created man.
BOY, You view of God makes him evil.
Yes, I absolutely believe this!!! 99% of all Christians believe this too. What denomination are you? How is it you interpret God's word and haven't a clue who God is?
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Edited by keeper49 on 04/11/2012 04:42:30
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Your view of God believes God is evil.
You make man better than God, Because if we could end all suffering, sickness and poverty NOW, We would do it.
But you say God will do it when He wills, at the end of the age.
That is just another reason why the catholic church is very evil.
God is good. God knows all things. God is immutable. If any of these is not true than God would not be God.
Your version of God makes Him a god such as Zeus, Apollo or Thor. The God of Christians knows all things and always has and always will.
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that makes no sense g4. what are you talking about?
1)Thats because you don't understand the Bible.
2)If you knew the Bible, You would know what I am talking about.
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Originally posted by keeper49
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Think about what you are saying.
You say,
God knew that man would fall and bring about all the suffering in the world, But He still went ahead and created man.
BOY, You view of God makes him evil.
Yes, I absolutely believe this!!! 99% of all Christians believe this too. What denomination are you? How is it you interpret God's word and haven't a clue who God is?
The you, and the 99% of Christians don't know or believe the Bible.
I knew you don't believe the Bible.
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Originally posted by keeper49
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Your view of God believes God is evil.
You make man better than God, Because if we could end all suffering, sickness and poverty NOW, We would do it.
But you say God will do it when He wills, at the end of the age.
That is just another reason why the catholic church is very evil.
God is good. God knows all things. God is immutable. If any of these is not true than God would not be God.
Your version of God makes Him a god such as Zeus, Apollo or Thor. The God of Christians knows all things and always has and always will.
God knows all the things that He choses to Know.
If you believe God doesn't have the capacity to forget and to chose not to know certain things.
The you don't believe God is who He says He is.
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Originally posted by mikejuli
that makes no sense g4. what are you talking about?
I know you don't know what I am talking about.
You don't even know the A,B, Cs of the Bible.
You can't even add up the fact that.
Eph 2:8--9. And Titus 3: 5 = Faith alone.
So how do you expect to know the deeper things of God???.
Remember, The Spirit of God has departed from you., Or have you forgot Heb 6,??.
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Why?
To test Abraham's sacrificial nature.
Adam's failure was his inability to sacrifice for God, for the garden, and for the woman.
His and Eve's egos and their inability to sacrifice; perpetuated into the next genereation.
Abel's sacrifice was pleasing to God, and Cain killed him out of envy of that ability.
Noah and his family sacrificed in their daily lives to God, they listened to God and built an Ark (that all other peoples scoffed).
With Abraham, God begins again with humanity, creating a people set apart, faithful believers in the One God.
And so, He tests pagan Abram's faith, his spirituality, his fatherhood and his leadership ability.
Will Abraham cleave to God even when great sacrifice is required of him?
What example will he set for God's chosen people?
Will he have faith, hope and charity worthy of upholding a Covenant relationship with God, and of being a true father of many nations?
There are many "giants" in the faith and we as Christians stand on their shoulders. Abraham is one of the giants.
Edited by bwellmysoul on 04/11/2012 11:48:38
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God knows all the things that He choses to Know.
Talk about twisting the bible. Gee whiz G4. What verses could you possibly use that illustrates that God did not know Adam and Eve would sin or that He does not know every sin you or I will ever commit?
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If you believe God doesn't have the capacity to forget and to chose not to know certain things.
The you don't believe God is who He says He is.
Sure I believe God is who He says He is, however, it's evident that you are interpreting Scripture in such a way as to twist the meaning.
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Originally posted by keeper49
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Do you realise what you said and believe??
Of course I know what I said which I believe. God knows everything, everywhere and every when. This is baby food for believers as far as doctrine is concerned, probably what St. Paul was talking about.
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If God knew Adam and Eve would fall, That makes Him responsiblefor everthing that is bad.
NO, it makes man responsible. Every evil in this world is a direct result of man usurping God's authority outside what God had already given.
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If God knew that He would create man and they would sin,fall and cause all the suffering to mankind, That makes your god [Small g] an evil god.
But the catholic god is evil, Thats why he started the catholic chirch.
If your God did not know that man would sin, he is not God. You are a perfect example of a person seeing the sliver in another's eye and failing to notice the beam in thine own. Here we have a would be born again who portends to know greek and fails to understand basic tenets of what or who God is.
Yes God knew and knows every choice you or anyone will ever make that's why He is the Supreme being.
Think about how much God must love us knowing we would fall. It's mind boggling.
As I said, Just like God has the capacity to forget, He has the capacity to chose not to know certain things, As I have proved from the Bible.
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Originally posted by keeper49
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Your view of God believes God is evil.
You make man better than God, Because if we could end all suffering, sickness and poverty NOW, We would do it.
But you say God will do it when He wills, at the end of the age.
That is just another reason why the catholic church is very evil.
God is good. God knows all things. God is immutable. If any of these is not true than God would not be God.
Your version of God makes Him a god such as Zeus, Apollo or Thor. The God of Christians knows all things and always has and always will.
The catholics contradict themselves, They say God is good, But then they say He is the reason for all the suffering, And He will only end it when He wants.
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Originally posted by keeper49
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God knows all the things that He choses to Know.
Talk about twisting the bible. Gee whiz G4. What verses could you possibly use that illustrates that God did not know Adam and Eve would sin or that He does not know every sin you or I will ever commit?
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If you believe God doesn't have the capacity to forget and to chose not to know certain things.
The you don't believe God is who He says He is.
Sure I believe God is who He says He is, however, it's evident that you are interpreting Scripture in such a way as to twist the meaning.
If you ever get around to waking up and pay attention, You will see that I have given scriptures that prove God choses not to know certain things.
It isn't my interpretation.
So, STOP TELLING LIES.
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