Why did God ask Abraham to sacrifice Isaac?

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Originally posted by God4me

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul

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Originally posted by God4me

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul


St. Paul doesn't agree with you. You don't even believe in the True Presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

You would never have made the statement that St. Paul makes about receiving the bread.

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Neither Jesus or Paul taught the real presence of Jesus in the comminion, Apart from the fact that He is with us all the time, wherever we go.

Paul was only quoting what Jesus said, 1 Cor 11: 24-25.

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You have Martin Luther, Zwingli and Calvin to thank for your twisted understanding of God the Son's words.

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How in the world do I have Luther & Co to thank, When I tell you what the Bible says??.
What you are saying is, The Bible is twisted.

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul

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Originally posted by God4me

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul


You honestly think a human is "worthy" to receive God? That any of our prayers, works, deeds make us worthy to recieve the Creator of the Universe?

A person who believes that is full of ego; and they aren't coming to Christ with the humility of a child.

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No one is worthy to recieve Jesus, But when they are saved, They are the very righteousness of God, And that makes them worthy.

The only qualification one needs in order to come to Christ, Is to be a sinner.
Because the Bible says, Christ died for the ungodly, So the ungodly qualify for salvation, If they repent.

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God the Son created rightousness for humanity in order that we can stand before God the Father. Baptism into Christ removes Original Sin and actual sin.

The sins we continue to commit (sins of omission and commission) either venial or mortal require Jesus' absolution. As Jesus said, "Be holy as your Father in heaven is Holy."

Jesus created a Church. He set up an office of authority in that Church and He gave His authority to forgive sin to His ordained priesthood.

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul

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What Jesus said to them, Was,

When a person repents, You can tell them their sins are remitted,

And those who don't receive Jesus, Tell them their sins aren't remitted.. It goes with Lk 24: 47,

"Repentance and remision of sins should be preached".

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As a system of governance, how is someone to know who has repented?

And to whom is the sinner to repent to?

As you say, those who don't receive Jesus, they are the ones whom someone then tells that their sin haven't been forgiven.

Remembering of course, that a soul's salvation rests on its attachment to sin.

And who is preaching if as you say there was never any priest in the New Testament?

What is your definition of the Greek word presbyter?

By the way, are you aware that in the Presbyterian Church they are now ordaining openly lesbian and gay people into their priesthood?

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A debate that has raged within the Presbyterian Church for more than three decades culminated Tuesday with ratification of a measure allowing the ordination of gay and lesbian ministers and lay leaders, while giving regional church bodies the ability to decide for themselves.

With the vote of its regional organization in Minnesota, the Presbyterian Church USA became the fourth mainline Protestant church to allow gay ordination, following the Episcopal and Evangelical Lutheran churches and the United Church of Christ. The Minnesota vote was closely followed by one in Los Angeles.


http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/11/local/la-me-0511-presbyterians-2-20110511

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Mark 14

The Betrayer.

17e When it was evening, he came with the Twelve. 18*

And as they reclined at table and were eating, Jesus said, “Amen, I say to you, one of you will betray me, one who is eating with me.” 19They began to be distressed and to say to him, one by one, “Surely it is not I?”

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Matthew 26

When it was evening, he reclined at table with the Twelve. 21

And while they were eating, he said, “Amen, I say to you, one of you will betray me.”* 22

Deeply distressed at this, they began to say to him one after another, “Surely it is not I, Lord?” 23He said in reply, “He who has dipped his hand into the dish with me is the one who will betray me.

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John

And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them,m “Receive the holy Spirit. 23* n Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.”

24Thomas, called Didymus, one of the Twelve, was not with them when Jesus came. 25

NOTE: * [20:19] The disciples: by implication from Jn 20:24 this means ten of the Twelve, presumably in Jerusalem.

So the other disciples said to him, “We have seen the Lord.”

But he said to them, “Unless I see the mark of the nails in his hands and put my finger into the nailmarks and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”o 26

Now a week later his disciples were again inside and Thomas was with them. Jesus came, although the doors were locked, and stood in their midst and said, “Peace be with you.”p

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The Appearance to the Seven Disciples.

1* After this, Jesus revealed himself again to his disciples at the Sea of Tiberias.

He revealed himself in this way.a 2

Together were Simon Peter, Thomas called Didymus, Nathanael from Cana in Galilee, Zebedee’s sons,* and two others of his disciples.

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Luke 22:

The Last Supper.h 14When the hour came, he took his place at table with the apostles. 15He said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover* with you before I suffer, 16for, I tell you, I shall not eat it [again] until there is fulfillment in the kingdom of God.”i

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Originally posted by God4me

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul

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Originally posted by God4me

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul


You honestly think a human is "worthy" to receive God? That any of our prayers, works, deeds make us worthy to recieve the Creator of the Universe?

A person who believes that is full of ego; and they aren't coming to Christ with the humility of a child.

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No one is worthy to recieve Jesus, But when they are saved, They are the very righteousness of God, And that makes them worthy.

The only qualification one needs in order to come to Christ, Is to be a sinner.
Because the Bible says, Christ died for the ungodly, So the ungodly qualify for salvation, If they repent.

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God the Son created rightousness for humanity in order that we can stand before God the Father. Baptism into Christ removes Original Sin and actual sin.

The sins we continue to commit (sins of omission and commission) either venial or mortal require Jesus' absolution. As Jesus said, "Be holy as your Father in heaven is Holy."

Jesus created a Church. He set up an office of authority in that Church and He gave His authority to forgive sin to His ordained priesthood.

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1)Water baptism doesn't remove sins, Ask the disciples, They were baptised, But not saved.

2)ALL confessed sins are forgiven by God, 1 Jn 1: 9.

3)Jesus never gave His Church the authority to remit sins.
What He told them was, When a person has repented, You can tell them that their sins are rimitted, Lk 24: 47 says,
Repentance and remision should be preached, Meaning when a person has repented, We can tell them that their sins are remited.
But the catholics twist the scriptures.

4)The catholic church wasn't formed by the devil until at least 300--600 years later, So they have nothing to do with the Church that Jesus built and gave authority to.

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Originally posted by God4me

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul

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What Jesus said to them, Was,

When a person repents, You can tell them their sins are remitted,

And those who don't receive Jesus, Tell them their sins aren't remitted.. It goes with Lk 24: 47,

"Repentance and remision of sins should be preached".

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As a system of governance, how is someone to know who has repented?

And to whom is the sinner to repent to?

As you say, those who don't receive Jesus, they are the ones whom someone then tells that their sin haven't been forgiven.

Remembering of course, that a soul's salvation rests on its attachment to sin.

And who is preaching if as you say there was never any priest in the New Testament?

What is your definition of the Greek word presbyter?

By the way, are you aware that in the Presbyterian Church they are now ordaining openly lesbian and gay people into their priesthood?

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A debate that has raged within the Presbyterian Church for more than three decades culminated Tuesday with ratification of a measure allowing the ordination of gay and lesbian ministers and lay leaders, while giving regional church bodies the ability to decide for themselves.

With the vote of its regional organization in Minnesota, the Presbyterian Church USA became the fourth mainline Protestant church to allow gay ordination, following the Episcopal and Evangelical Lutheran churches and the United Church of Christ. The Minnesota vote was closely followed by one in Los Angeles.


http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/11/local/la-me-0511-presbyterians-2-20110511

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1)When any Christian witnesses to a seeker, And the seeker wants to be saved, We lead them to the Saviour, And the accept Jesus as Lord and saviour, The we can tell them that their sins have been remited.
If they had someone with them wh rejected Jesus, We could tell them their sins haven't bee remited.

You really really don't know the gospel..DO YOU??.

2)How can a soul's salvation rest on it attachment to sin??. Salvation is being free frm sin, Not being attached to it.

3)The word , "Presbyter", Means, The Pastor of the local Church.
Elder, Shepherd and Bishop, Are all the Pastor of the Church.

There is no such office as a priest in the Newt Testament Church, Apart from every Christian being a priest unto God.

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3)Jesus never gave His Church the authority to remit sins.
What He told them was, When a person has repented, You can tell them that their sins are rimitted, Lk 24: 47 says,
Repentance and remision should be preached, Meaning when a person has repented, We can tell them that their sins are remited.
But the catholics twist the scriptures.

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1)When any Christian witnesses to a seeker, And the seeker wants to be saved, We lead them to the Saviour, And the accept Jesus as Lord and saviour, The we can tell them that their sins have been remited.
If they had someone with them wh rejected Jesus, We could tell them their sins haven't bee remited.

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2)How can a soul's salvation rest on it attachment to sin??. Salvation is being free frm sin, Not being attached to it.

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul

G4Me,

You asked for Scripture showing that less than 12 were in the Upper Room after Jesus' death and Resurrection.

What I've listed below are the numbers in Scripture who were at the Last Supper.

Multiple times the count is 12.

And this was when Jesus was in His glory (after being hailed as the Messiah on Palm Sunday).

After His death and Resurrection 3 woman disciples and then 2 of the Apostles came to the empty grave site.

In His glory, He arrived with 12 for the Last Supper in the Upper Room.

Why then would there suddenly be 100 plus people in the Upper Room after His public trial, public crucifixion and death and burial?

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Mark 14

The Betrayer.

17e When it was evening, he came with the Twelve. 18*

And as they reclined at table and were eating, Jesus said, “Amen, I say to you, one of you will betray me, one who is eating with me.” 19They began to be distressed and to say to him, one by one, “Surely it is not I?”

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Matthew 26

When it was evening, he reclined at table with the Twelve. 21

And while they were eating, he said, “Amen, I say to you, one of you will betray me.”* 22

Deeply distressed at this, they began to say to him one after another, “Surely it is not I, Lord?” 23He said in reply, “He who has dipped his hand into the dish with me is the one who will betray me.

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John

And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them,m “Receive the holy Spirit. 23* n Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.”

24Thomas, called Didymus, one of the Twelve, was not with them when Jesus came. 25

NOTE: * [20:19] The disciples: by implication from Jn 20:24 this means ten of the Twelve, presumably in Jerusalem.

So the other disciples said to him, “We have seen the Lord.”

But he said to them, “Unless I see the mark of the nails in his hands and put my finger into the nailmarks and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”o 26

Now a week later his disciples were again inside and Thomas was with them. Jesus came, although the doors were locked, and stood in their midst and said, “Peace be with you.”p

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The Appearance to the Seven Disciples.

1* After this, Jesus revealed himself again to his disciples at the Sea of Tiberias.

He revealed himself in this way.a 2

Together were Simon Peter, Thomas called Didymus, Nathanael from Cana in Galilee, Zebedee’s sons,* and two others of his disciples.

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Luke 22:

The Last Supper.h 14When the hour came, he took his place at table with the apostles. 15He said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover* with you before I suffer, 16for, I tell you, I shall not eat it [again] until there is fulfillment in the kingdom of God.”i

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul

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Originally posted by God4me

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul

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Originally posted by God4me

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul


You honestly think a human is "worthy" to receive God? That any of our prayers, works, deeds make us worthy to recieve the Creator of the Universe?

A person who believes that is full of ego; and they aren't coming to Christ with the humility of a child.

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No one is worthy to recieve Jesus, But when they are saved, They are the very righteousness of God, And that makes them worthy.

The only qualification one needs in order to come to Christ, Is to be a sinner.
Because the Bible says, Christ died for the ungodly, So the ungodly qualify for salvation, If they repent.

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God the Son created rightousness for humanity in order that we can stand before God the Father. Baptism into Christ removes Original Sin and actual sin.

The sins we continue to commit (sins of omission and commission) either venial or mortal require Jesus' absolution. As Jesus said, "Be holy as your Father in heaven is Holy."

Jesus created a Church. He set up an office of authority in that Church and He gave His authority to forgive sin to His ordained priesthood.

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1)Water baptism doesn't remove sins, Ask the disciples, They were baptised, But not saved.

2)ALL confessed sins are forgiven by God, 1 Jn 1: 9.

3)Jesus never gave His Church the authority to remit sins.
What He told them was, When a person has repented, You can tell them that their sins are rimitted, Lk 24: 47 says,
Repentance and remision should be preached, Meaning when a person has repented, We can tell them that their sins are remited.
But the catholics twist the scriptures.

4)The catholic church wasn't formed by the devil until at least 300--600 years later, So they have nothing to do with the Church that Jesus built and gave authority to.

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You have such a twisted vision of Sacred Scripture. Baptism doesn't remove sin. Wow.

Are you aware, Professor of Theology, of any of the Early Church writers or St. Jerome?

300 to 600 years later.

Wow.

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul

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Originally posted by God4me

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul

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What Jesus said to them, Was,

When a person repents, You can tell them their sins are remitted,

And those who don't receive Jesus, Tell them their sins aren't remitted.. It goes with Lk 24: 47,

"Repentance and remision of sins should be preached".

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As a system of governance, how is someone to know who has repented?

And to whom is the sinner to repent to?

As you say, those who don't receive Jesus, they are the ones whom someone then tells that their sin haven't been forgiven.

Remembering of course, that a soul's salvation rests on its attachment to sin.

And who is preaching if as you say there was never any priest in the New Testament?

What is your definition of the Greek word presbyter?

By the way, are you aware that in the Presbyterian Church they are now ordaining openly lesbian and gay people into their priesthood?

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A debate that has raged within the Presbyterian Church for more than three decades culminated Tuesday with ratification of a measure allowing the ordination of gay and lesbian ministers and lay leaders, while giving regional church bodies the ability to decide for themselves.

With the vote of its regional organization in Minnesota, the Presbyterian Church USA became the fourth mainline Protestant church to allow gay ordination, following the Episcopal and Evangelical Lutheran churches and the United Church of Christ. The Minnesota vote was closely followed by one in Los Angeles.


http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/11/local/la-me-0511-presbyterians-2-20110511

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1)When any Christian witnesses to a seeker, And the seeker wants to be saved, We lead them to the Saviour, And the accept Jesus as Lord and saviour, The we can tell them that their sins have been remited.
If they had someone with them wh rejected Jesus, We could tell them their sins haven't bee remited.

You really really don't know the gospel..DO YOU??.

2)How can a soul's salvation rest on it attachment to sin??. Salvation is being free frm sin, Not being attached to it.

3)The word , "Presbyter", Means, The Pastor of the local Church.
Elder, Shepherd and Bishop, Are all the Pastor of the Church.

There is no such office as a priest in the Newt Testament Church, Apart from every Christian being a priest unto God.

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So St. Paul wasn't a priest to the gentile converts, you say.

And he didn't ordain anyone to take his place?

And the rest of the Apostles, they weren't priest and they left Christ's Church with no authority.

Everyone believed what they wished and went about without any continual formation, you say.

What college did you get your Biblical training from?

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul

Have you checked your Greek dictionary for the meaning of the words presbuteros, episkopos and diakonos?

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul

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3)Jesus never gave His Church the authority to remit sins.
What He told them was, When a person has repented, You can tell them that their sins are rimitted, Lk 24: 47 says,
Repentance and remision should be preached, Meaning when a person has repented, We can tell them that their sins are remited.
But the catholics twist the scriptures.

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Jesus specifically gave His authority to either "forgive or hold bound sins" to His Apostles. They were delegated to forgive sins through Jesus Christ.

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