Who said Once Saved Always Saved?
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OK I need to know why people think that once you are saved you will always be?  I had asked a minister of a church back awhile ago and he said Yep! Once you are saved you are saved if you sin you confess your sins and are forgiven. Now I got to thinking about really bad people an d what if they were baptized and then went out and murdered someone would they still be saved or condemned by God? Prove this please! Thank you! B3 baby3
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Believing that you can be forgiven if you repent of your sins is not OSAS. Unless you believe that this can only be done once.
1 John 1:9 shows that if we confess our sins God will forgive us and cleanse us of all unrighteousness. This is true.
John also says that there is sin that kills (mortal sin), but that not all sin kills. 1 John 5:17.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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OK I need to know why people think that once you are saved you will always be?I had asked a minister of a church back awhile ago and he said Yep! Once you are saved you are saved if you sin you confess your sins and are forgiven. Now I got to thinking about really bad people an d what if they were baptized and then went out and murdered someone would they still be saved or condemned by God? Prove this please! Thank you! B3
A person can lose their salvation, Ask missed heaven Mike, He has lost his.
See Heb 6: 4-8. Heb 10: 25--31.
BUT,
Even if a Christian who has commited murder can repent and will still be saved.
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You can thank John Calvin for the popularity of that fatal heresy.
g4 doesn't even buy it, but maybe Evan can try to prove it.
"Be good, keep your feet dry, your eyes open, your heart at peace and your soul in the joy of Christ." - Thomas Merton
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That's right adultery is a sin that can be forgiven,but hate crimes and murder of any kind and God tells us to send them to him how come we don't do this??To many people getting out and committing horrific crimes because they system tells them it's ok you won't die for taking a life/ Wrong and this is one reason why we are going down the tubes.All the rehab for these people and they get out a do it all again even worst.B3 I am a firm believer in Capital punishment!!
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Under the Old Covenant, physical death was the penalty. Jesus gave us a new Covenant, and no longer commands our death - but the penalty for mortal sin is spiritual death which is damnation in Hell - this God does.
But, even the most horrific sins can be forgiven if the person truly repents. This God promised.
But fear not, those that are truly wicked tend not to repent.
And those that do, truly do and truly sorry for what they have done, well do they not deserve to be saved? God keeps His promises.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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NO! I believe that God hates certain kind of sin and he will deal with these people because he does know their hearts that are stone! Certain sins will not be forgiven like hurting children and selling woman and children.B3
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If their hearts are truly stone, they will not be saved. If their hearts are truly stone, they will not repent.
Repentance is not just saying you are sorry. It is much more than that. This is something that comes from within, for repentance, the person must truly be sorry for what they have done and seek to change, to amend their ways and do what is right.
I trust in God's Mercy in all things. And do not assume anything in terms of God's judgment.
And one thing to consider, one is not born a monster or just decide to be a monster. Monsters are made. Before you let hate consume you, consider what it must have taken to turn an innocent child in a monster that hurts children. One does not do that unless something went wrong in their own childhood. It may not necessarily be equal to what he or she became, but it is probably a mitigating factor.
In some cases, there have been monsters with truly horrific childhoods. Perhaps if someone had been there for them, things may have turned out differently.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Once saved always saved is an insane lie. By saying this you deny the fact that you have free will and can fall into temptation. Once saved always leads you into a sense of false security and puts down your guard letting you commit mortal sin. You have the choice you can't live in sinfulness and be unrepentant and say its okay Jesus died for all my sins its okay if I fall into temptation and cheat on my wife with that hot clerk at work. Of course protestant insist he was never really saved if he does that because he doesn't really believe. Basically saying every man who ever cheated on their wife never believed in Jesus. Protestants think you can't fall into temptation or commit horrible sins if you believe in Jesus. A horrible mistake we can destroy are selves we aren't robots God gives us free will you can deny the gift of salvation by ignoring what God teaches. Faith ALONE doesn't save you no where in the bible does it say that. Only place it says Faith ALONE is in James when he says faith alone is DEAD without works.
Question for protestant's Satan know's Jesus is he a good guy? Are the angels that decided to deny God's grace and follow Satan good guys? Is Humanity better then are angelic brothers where we can't do the same? Oh wait they aren't they fell into temptation and sinned guess what so can you.
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Oh ya why in the world does James even say FAITH ALONE is DEAD without works IF IT's NOT EVEN POSSIBLE TO HAVE FAITH AND NOT WORKS. he wouldn't even talk about it cause its not possible why even write it. Oh wait cause just maybe it is possible!?! Sorry this crazy nonsense of being invincible as long as you proclaim Jesus is lord drives me nuts. You must show your faith with works and its possible to have one without the other. What happens when you have one without the other? James talks about it.
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Once saved always saved is an insane lie. By saying this you deny the fact that you have free will and can fall into temptation. Once saved always leads you into a sense of false security and puts down your guard letting you commit mortal sin. You have the choice you can't live in sinfulness and be unrepentant and say its okay Jesus died for all my sins its okay if I fall into temptation and cheat on my wife with that hot clerk at work. Of course protestant insist he was never really saved if he does that because he doesn't really believe. Basically saying every man who ever cheated on their wife never believed in Jesus. Protestants think you can't fall into temptation or commit horrible sins if you believe in Jesus. A horrible mistake we can destroy are selves we aren't robots God gives us free will you can deny the gift of salvation by ignoring what God teaches. Faith ALONE doesn't save you no where in the bible does it say that. Only place it says Faith ALONE is in James when he says faith alone is DEAD without works.
Question for protestant's Satan know's Jesus is he a good guy? Are the angels that decided to deny God's grace and follow Satan good guys? Is Humanity better then are angelic brothers where we can't do the same? Oh wait they aren't they fell into temptation and sinned guess what so can you.
Could it be that those Christians who keep the word and faith and offer their suffering up to the Lord and forgive them that hurt them will be in heaven and will have a different crown and those who just believe but really don't go out of their ways to help others and give to others will be there but they will be least in the kingdom?B3
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May be, but those who sin will pay for their sin in one way or another.
I saw a woman who had been "renting" her own young daughter to men to make kiddie porn and even molested her own daughter on camera to make some of these videos, and she told the police officers who arrested her that they were going to Hell for taking her daughter away from her.
She believed that she was saved no matter what, and that those who broke up her family were the ones who would be damned to Hell.
This is the extreme end of OSAS.
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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