How many people will actually go to heaven?
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I was wondering if the multitude of people are going to heaven or just a few like the 144,00 like some people think? They say that the outskirts of the temple will be for the Gentiles and who are they? Don't the Gentiles also believe and some have given their lives for the more... baby3
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Oh My there has been homos since the very beginning of time didn't you know this? Ask the Greeks not the Geeks they thought nothing of it and it has dwindled down a lot since back then they even had sacrifices in the temple and had male prostitutes where have you been??? B3
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I think he may have been referring to our Catholic Tradition.
But, I find it odd that he would be more upset with Catholic Tradition which upholds these Biblical truths, than with the many Protestant groups that have waffled on the Bible and allowed so many things, including active homosexuality among their clergy and in marriage, that flat out contradict the Bible.
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You have to know, The JWs are just as false as the catholics, So they would twist the scriptures.
funny but the jw say the same things you do about the church. so thanks for informing us that they and you are wrong. the jw's like all reformation sects hide behind the same old canards and lack any valid historical basis whatsoever. you are two peas in a pod.. the only difference is that your closer to the catholic church then they are because you still believe the tradition concerning the trinity.
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Apostolic tradition, history, and the catholic Church.
Is just a load of man made lies.
the tradition that says the catholic church is false is a pack of man made lies.. it is the foundation of your belief system g4. open your eyes. without anti cahtolicism as your god you have nothing.
[quote]The catholics actually believe their so called tradition has just as much authority as the Bible does.
But where does the Bible say, "The word AND tradition"??.
where does the bible say slain in the spirit? again you lack consistency and refuse to use the brain god gave you to actually think. where does the bible say that a new canon of scripture was ok to add to it? it doesn't. that is tradition. jesus gave apostles authority to teach.. to bind and loose. i know you have no clue what that means but what it means is apostolic tradition. without it there was no possible way that you can get a new testament. the word is contained in tradition, whether it is written or not. the bible itself is a part of tradition.
unlike modern traditions of falling down, babbling instead of speaking in tongues and trying to get rich off of jesus, the traditions of the ancient church were all valid and explain scripture. g4 had yet to actually prove that it isn't. all he can do it throw out false logic which he doesn't even keep himself as demonstrated by his unbiblical tradition of falling over before men.. 
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
I think he may have been referring to our Catholic Tradition.
But, I find it odd that he would be more upset with Catholic Tradition which upholds these Biblical truths, than with the many Protestant groups that have waffled on the Bible and allowed so many things, including active homosexuality among their clergy and in marriage, that flat out contradict the Bible.
catholics don't uphold Biblical truths, STOP TELLING LIES YOU NAUHTY EVIL WOMAN.
The TRUE Christian Church is against homosexuals, STOP TELLING LIES YOU NAUGHTY WOMAN.
There are homosexual catholic priests, and in the catholic church, So much for you church being against homosexulals.
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catholics don't uphold Biblical truths, STOP TELLING LIES YOU NAUHTY EVIL WOMAN.
The TRUE Christian Church is against homosexuals, STOP TELLING LIES YOU NAUGHTY WOMAN.
There are homosexual catholic priests, and in the catholic church, So much for you church being against homosexulals.
G4Me, please stop your bigoted anti-Catholic comments. Being same sex attracted is a condition that need not (and must not) lead into homosexual acts - if the practice of chastity is followed.
There are faithful same sex attracted Catholic priests who practice chastity (in the same way that faithful heterosexual Catholic priests are required to practice chastity).
If any fail in their practice of chastity, that is a mortal sin in the Catholic Church.
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2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
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The TRUE Christian Church is against homosexuals, STOP TELLING LIES YOU NAUGHTY WOMAN.
There are homosexual catholic priests, and in the catholic church, So much for you church being against homosexulals.
Please explain how your "one true church" has allowed a faction of LBGT's in your Oneness Pentecostals?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Apostolic_Pentecostals
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Though not everyone follows Catholic teachings, the Church is adamantly against homosexuality. There are homosexuals in the Church as in any body, but they are to remain chaste (as are the unmarried), and failure to do so is grave sin.
According to that link, there are Pentecostals who teach that open homosexuality is OK. This is grave scandal.
The Anglicans are also guilty of this.
... It would be better for him to have a great Millstone hung around his neck...
"Be good, keep your feet dry, your eyes open, your heart at peace and your soul in the joy of Christ." - Thomas Merton
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It is one thing to be a sinner in Christ's Church, quite another to teach that sin is OK in Christ's Church.
At no time did the Catholic Church ever say it was OK for a priest or anyone else to practice homosexuality. We are on record for this. We have been challenged by gay rights groups and many Protestant groups for the Catholic Church's well documented position against homosexual practice.
Now, G4, why do not consider the Catholic teaching that homosexuality is wrong to not be a Biblical truth? You did say that the Catholic Church does not teach Biblical truths.
And why does it not bother nearly as much as Protestant Churches, including Pentecostals, who teach that homosexual practice is not only acceptable, but even elevate it by promoting gay marriage and openly gay clergy?
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccatheduc/documents/rc_con_ccatheduc_doc_20051104_istruzione_en.html
Instruction Concerning the Criteria for the Discernment of Vocations with regard to Persons with Homosexual Tendencies in view of their Admission to the Seminary and to Holy Orders
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In the light of such teaching, this Dicastery, in accord with the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, believes it necessary to state clearly that the Church, while profoundly respecting the persons in question[9], cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders those who practise homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies or support the so-called "gay culture"[10].
Such persons, in fact, find themselves in a situation that gravely hinders them from relating correctly to men and women.
One must in no way overlook the negative consequences that can derive from the ordination of persons with deep-seated homosexual tendencies.
Different, however, would be the case in which one were dealing with homosexual tendencies that were only the expression of a transitory problem - for example, that of an adolescence not yet superseded. Nevertheless, such tendencies must be clearly overcome at least three years before ordination to the diaconate.
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Originally posted by God4me
The TRUE Christian Church is against homosexuals, STOP TELLING LIES YOU NAUGHTY WOMAN.
There are homosexual catholic priests, and in the catholic church, So much for you church being against homosexulals.
Please explain how your "one true church" has allowed a faction of LBGT's in your Oneness Pentecostals?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Apostolic_Pentecostals
Who said the Oneness pentecostal are the true Church??. Certainly not me.
They believe you have to be baptised to be saved.
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Who said the Oneness pentecostal are the true Church??. Certainly not me.
They believe you have to be baptised to be saved.
Hum, but you said Pentecostalism is universal and one.
Perhaps, you might suggest to your Pentecostal governance board that they read up on and investigate what the Early universal/catholic Church did to weed heretics from their congregations.
It's a late start (and a reinvention of the wheel) but if Pentecostalism is the One Church they should find a way to unify. Suggest perhaps the use of a Creed, recited at each worship service.
The Catholic Church has two that you can use. One dates back to the time of the Early Church and the other was developed in 325 A.D., at the Council of Nicaea - it's called the Nicene Creed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed
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