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How do you ABIDE in Jesus? " John 15:4 ABIDE in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it ABIDE in the Vine; no more can ye, except ye ABIDE in me. 5 I AM THE VINE, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." So how do you ABIDE in Jesus? John 6:56-6956Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood ABIDE in me, and I in them. 57Just as the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever eats me will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like that which your ancestors ate, and they died. But the one who eats this bread will live forever.” 59He said these things while he was teaching in the synagogue at Capernaum. How can we eat his flesh and drink his blood? Jesus tell's us  (Matthew 26:27-29)Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “ Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say to you, I will not drink of this FRUIT OF THE VINE from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom” Did you miss it? Jesus said he is the VINE.He just called the cup at the last supper the fruit of the VINE. What is the VINE Jesus. John 6:56-69 56Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood ABIDE in me, and I in them. This all links together to paint a bigger picture. Jesus is the fruit of the vine. He said himself ''I am the vine.''Why do you think Jesus refers to the cup as the fruit of the vine? He tells you eat his flesh and drink his blood to abide in him. He is in the cup at the last supper. (Note: God4me I will not respond to anything you say until you link for me the definition. For the Aramaic word kepha and site it please. Also please don't deny Jesus spoke Aramaic. So Greek translations of the word kepha don't mean anything because Jesus didn't speak Greek when preaching. Everyone please don't respond to him until he does this.)
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How do you ABIDE in Jesus?
"John 15:4 ABIDE in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it ABIDE in the Vine; no more can ye, except ye ABIDE in me. 5 I AM THE VINE, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing."
So how do you ABIDE in Jesus?
John 6:56-69
56Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood ABIDE in me, and I in them. 57Just as the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever eats me will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like that which your ancestors ate, and they died. But the one who eats this bread will live forever.” 59He said these things while he was teaching in the synagogue at Capernaum.
How can we eat his flesh and drink his blood? Jesus tell's us
(Matthew 26:27-29)
Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say to you, I will not drink of this FRUIT OF THE VINE from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom”
Did you miss it? Jesus said he is the VINE.He just called the cup at the last supper the fruit of the VINE. What is the VINE Jesus. John 6:56-69 56Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood ABIDE in me, and I in them.
This all links together to paint a bigger picture. Jesus is the fruit of the vine. He said himself ''I am the vine.''Why do you think Jesus refers to the cup as the fruit of the vine? He tells you eat his flesh and drink his blood to abide in him. He is in the cup at the last supper.
(Note: God4me I will not respond to anything you say until you link for me the definition. For the Aramaic word kepha and site it please. Also please don't deny Jesus spoke Aramaic. So Greek translations of the word kepha don't mean anything because Jesus didn't speak Greek when preaching. Everyone please don't respond to him until he does this.)
[1]SO, What you are saying is, Unless you eat the body and drink the blood of Jesus, in the eucharist, Your not saved.
Why don't you grow up, stop being so silly and learn the Biblical truths.
[2]Kepha is the same meaning as Cephas and Petros.
[A stone that is easily moved or shaken,2nd person, Plural in number].
Check it up for yourself, But not on a catholic website, As they twist the meanings.
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Actions done with bad motives are despised by God:
•Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. (Genesis 6:5-6)
•`You shall not hate your fellow countryman in your heart; you may surely reprove your neighbor, but shall not incur sin because of him.' (Leviticus 19:17)
•"For forty years I loathed that generation, And said they are a people who err in their heart, And they do not know My ways. (Psalm 95:10)
•The perverse in heart are an abomination to the LORD, But the blameless in their walk are His delight. (Proverbs 11:20)
•Everyone who is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD; Assuredly, he will not be unpunished. (Proverbs 16:5)
•but I say to you, that everyone who looks on a woman to lust for her has committed adultery with her already in his heart. (Matthew 5:28)
•for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. (Matthew 6:21)
•"But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man." (Matthew 15:18)
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Jesus, though born in Bethlehem of Judea, spent most of his life in the north - in Nazareth and the surrounding area of Galilee, where the local language is Aramaic. Therefore, as a citizen of Galilee, and not Judea, Aramaic was his mother tongue. This is born out in the incidents in the gospels where he uses it. These include the cry to Jairus' daughter "Talitha cumi" meaning 'Little girl, get up" [Mark 35:41] and the cry from the Cross as Jesus was separated from his Father at the moment he took all sin through his death - "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani" - which means 'My God, My God, why have you forsaken me'[Matt 27:46], - the first line of Psalm 22, spoken in Aramaic and not in the Hebrew of the scriptures. It is clear that in the latter case, the locals did not understand Jesus, thinking that he was calling on Elijah [Matt 27:47]. If Jesus had spoken Hebrew at this point, he would have used the word 'Adonai' for Lord - as this term replaced the unspeakable name of God (Yahweh) for the Jewish peoples. Aramaic is not a 'dialect' of Hebrew as some think, but a separate language more related to Arabic than to Hebrew. Aramaic is still spoken today in an area of the middle east north of Israel and south of Syria - in other words, near where Jesus grew up, and in Jesus' day was the mother tongue of the Galilee area much like Welsh ( a language totally unrelated to English) is the mother tongue of Wales although all Welsh people speak English as well.
Despite being technologically backward in those days, we must never underestimate the intelligence of those people, and therefore we know that many people in those days were multilingual. It is therefore certain that Jesus spoke Hebrew too (as the scriptures were written in Hebrew and Jesus was well versed in these), and probably quite a bit of koine Greek, as this latter language was regarded as the universal language, especially of the educated classes of the Roman Empire, much like English is counted as an international language today. Let's not forget that the New Testament was originally written in Greek by various authors (Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, James, Peter etc), and therefore if these people could speak Greek, then it is likely that Jesus could too. Jesus was also likely to speak some Latin, picked up from the Roman occupation during the whole of Jesus' life on earth. Romans were notoriously reticent in trying to speak local languages - insisting on speaking Latin even if they could speak another language (much like the French today!), and so Jesus would also have a little Latin - enough to communicate with Pilate at his trial.
Therefore categorically, Jesus was a native Aramaic speaker and he would have spoken this language - his mother tongue - when conducting his mission in Galilee, where Aramaic was spoken widely. However, when reading the scriptures in the synagogue, and when conducting his mission in the Jerusalem area of Judea he would have converted to Hebrew.
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_language_did_Jesus_speak#ixzz1tMrjAj7x
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Why is that hard to believe? You believe you need to be baptized to be saved don't you? What came out of the heart of Jesus? Blood and water. He was pierced between his ribs. We are born again from blood and water. Jesus is the new Adam from his side we are a new creation. Just like Eve was a new creation from Adams side. So are we from the side of Jesus. Don't have the links on my cellphone. Pontius Pilate said "behold the man" The same way Adam was called by God "Behold the man" Also Jesus refered to as the lamb of God over and over 28 times in rev and by John the baptise the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world. What did the Jews have to do with the Passover lamb to be saved. EAT of it and no bones can be broken of it. You MUST eat of it. This was all in perpetration for the coming of Jesus. Jesus is the lamb.
Now I believe in Gods infinite mercy. I don't judge anyone only God can judge you. I don't say who goes to hell or heaven. I don't believe everyone who isn't baptized or takes the Eucharist is going to hell. I do know what God asks us to do and I plan on doing it. It scares me that he says unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you. But I trust Jesus. He loves everyone far more then I can imagine. His mercy is endless. I don't suggest not listening to Jesus. I have no idea how he will judge.
Here is your kepha explanation. For the last time. Your choice to listen with an open heart or not. I truely do love you. Even if you hate me my brother. I'll pray for you.
The Greek text is a translation of Jesus' words, which were actually spoken in Aramaic. Aramaic only had one word for rock, kephas (which is why Peter is often called Cephas in the Bible). The word Kephas in Aramaic means "huge rock." The Aramaic word for "little stone" is "evna," and Peter was not called "Evna" or "Envas" or anything like that. In Aramaic, Jesus said "You are Peter (Kephas) and upon this rock (kephas) I will build my Church." The metaphor worked well in Aramaic where nouns are neither feminine or masculine, but in Greek, the noun "rock" was feminine, and therefore unsuitable as a name for Peter. So the Aramaic word Kephas was translated to the masculine name Petros when it referred to Peter, and to the feminine noun petra when it referred to the rock. In ancient Koine Greek, petra and petros were total synonyms, unlike modern Attic Greek and unlike Ionic Greek which was about 400 year before Christ.
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I checked out the word kepha in the Septuagint that is written in Greek. I looked at how it was used and there is no way that this could be a small stone that is easily moved. Unless you are Galactus eater of worlds.
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[2]Kepha is the same meaning as Cephas and Petros.
[A stone that is easily moved or shaken,2nd person, Plural in number].
Check it up for yourself, But not on a catholic website, As they twist the meanings.
Okay let's lets use your crazy translation lol.
''18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Kepha(A stone that is easily moved or shaken) , and upon this kepha(A stone that is easily moved or shaken) I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.''
looks like he built it on a stone that is easily shaken or moved by your logic lol.. Bro it doesn't matter if Kepha means FIREBALL watch cause this is what Jesus said in Aramaic ONE WORD FOR ROCK IN ARMAIC and Jesus said it word for word.
18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Kepha(FIREBALL) , and upon this kepha(FIREBALL) I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
see lol it doesn't matter what Aramaic translates to Greek. Jesus spoke Aramaic and he said. ''18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Kepha, and upon this kepha I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.'' Tell me what he said in Aramaic if he didn't say that?
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And, when you translate that word into Greek, the only way to do it properly is to masculinize it when used to name Simon Peter and leave it in its original feminine form for the second part.
Petra is feminine, and to apply that feminine noun to a man, it has to be masculinized so the only way to say:
Simon you are Rock and upon this rock I will build my Church, is to make Simon Petros.
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I checked out the word kepha in the Septuagint that is written in Greek. I looked at how it was used and there is no way that this could be a small stone that is easily moved. Unless you are Galactus eater of worlds.
Kepha was never used in the OT.
Kepha, Cephas and Petros, all mean a stone that is easily moved or shaken.
Remember, God can see you twisting His words, Don't you fear hell??.
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''18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Kepha(A stone that is easily moved or shaken) , and upon this kepha(A stone that is easily moved or shaken) I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.''
I guess Jesus built his church on a stone that is easily moved or shaken. Or wait is Jesus the stone that can be easily moved or shaken lol?
I wonder what church Kepha founded. since the gates of hell will never prevail against it.
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''18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Kepha(A stone that is easily moved or shaken) , and upon this kepha(A stone that is easily moved or shaken) I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.''
I guess Jesus built his church on a stone that is easily moved or shaken. Or wait is Jesus the stone that can be easily moved or shaken lol?
I wonder what church Kepha founded. since the gates of hell will never prevail against it.
You haven't understood a word that I have told you HAVE YOU??, No wonder you can't understand the Bible.
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Okay enlighten then please. What did Jesus say in Aramaic? Can you translate it for me please. I don't want the Greektranslation. I want the original translation. The words Jesus spoke not a translation of what he said in Greek. Give me the Aramaic version he spoke. Then tell me what it means.
If Jesus Didn't say in Aramaic.
'' And so I say to you, you are Kepha, and upon this kepha I will build my church, and the gates of the hell shall not prevail against it.I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
What did he say in Aramaic then?
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Sorry englighten **me** please
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Sorry englighten **me** please
eww I need to preview before posting lol enlighten me
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Back to the OP, the Bible shows clearly how we are to abide in Him. By keeping His Word. Keeping His commandments. Doing what He tells us to do.
Those that Trust in Jesus have no problem with these requirements. Sure, we may slip from time to time, but if we repent, we can still abide in Him.
Jesus said it plain as day in John 15 what we must do to abide in His Love. Why would anyone not want that? And why would that be considered too much "work" for anyone professing to be a Christian.
We are called to take up our cross daily. Taking up one's cross is not sitting on our duffs and doing nothing but receiving what God gives. It means we have to participate in the life and death and resurrection of Our Lord.
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OK If all of what you say is true how come Jesus said even If you believe in my name you are saved? Just his name without the Eucharist? There are many other scriptures I am sure Luther found to prove his actions to:) B3
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