How did the church remain in Rome???

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Originally posted by God4me

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul

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Originally posted by God4me
But Jesus didn'y give them His body, DID HE?? NO.NO.,He gave them bread. WAKE UP DOZY.

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The Son of God doesn't speak in "metaphorical" language when He holds up unleaven bread (during the ancient practice of the Feast of Unleaven Bread) and says "This is My Body" and then holds up wine and says, "This is My Blood, which will be shed for many for the forgiveness of sins."

God the Son's own disciples realized He wasn't speaking in a "metaphorical" language.

They were sickened with His speech, His saying that people should eat His flesh and drink His blood and they questioned the Son of God, "This is a hard saying, who can accept it?"

And then Jesus asked them how (if they can't believe in the Miracle of Him being the Bread from Heaven), can they believe in His Resurrection and Ascension.

Those unbelieving disciples left Him in huge numbers.

And Jesus said of them, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to Him by My Father."

The unfortuneate Truth is, that the Protestantism(s) have denied what God the Father and God the Son have already granted.

You are correct in a way, you do receive a "symbol", however its a symbol of various Protestant theology.

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STOP TELLING LIES, YOU NAUGHTY MAN.

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Originally posted by Kingofkings

Does THIS OFFEND YOU? If so then LEAVE. It's what Jesus disciples did. You are doing exactly what they did. Ya the Romans also thought we were cannibals (the early church Catholics) and we were killed for it. You can't see the love in the Eucharist. I know it's hard for you. It's prity hard to grasp when your brought up Protestant. Even the first Protestant's excepted the Eucharist. It's clear as day.

Also cannibals are humans eating humans. We aren't eating a human. We are eating God. Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you. I AM the LIFE. More of Jesus's words for you. If it OFFENDS YOU LEAVE.Are you getting it yet? I hate being harsh.

Ya Jesus lowered himself to man for us. Then so we could eat his flesh and drink his blood. He lowered himself even further. So we can be one with him. That's just how much he loves us.

Sir explain to me. How bread and wine are symbolic of Jesus. You have no basis for thinking he was talking of the bread and wine as symbolic. The remembrance line Protestant's toss around is trash. As well as the spirit line. It is Jesus spiritually in the flesh.

You even have a physical incorruptible heart, flesh and blood. That came from the Eucharist. What else do you want? I can't make you except anything. I can only show you the facts. Brother please just look at the scriptures with a open heart.

John 6:53-58, 66-67

''"So Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever.' After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him. Jesus said to the twelve, 'Will you also go away?'"''

''Most Protestants believe that the bread and wine offered by the Catholic priest in the Holy Mass are only symbols of Christ's body and blood. They do not believe that Christians have to actually eat the flesh and drink the blood of Christ to have eternal life. They do not believe that Christ's flesh is actual food, and His blood actual drink. Why, then, does Jesus repeatedly say in these verses that we must eat His flesh and drink His blood or we have no life in us? Why does Christ say that His flesh is food indeed, and His blood is drink indeed, if His flesh and blood really aren't food and drink indeed? This teaching of Jesus on the Eucharist is the most profound in all of Scripture, and these verses are very problematic to the Protestant contention that the bread and wine of the Mass are just symbols.''

''When John 6 is prayerfully read, we see how Jesus gradually teaches the faithful about the life-giving bread from heaven that He will give to the world (through the multiplication of the loaves, the reference to the raining manna given to the Israelites, and finally to the bread that Jesus will give which is His flesh). When the Jews question Jesus about how he could possibly give them His flesh to eat, Jesus becomes more literal in His explanation. As we learned in the link on The Eucharist, Jesus says several times that we must eat (in Greek, "phago") His flesh to gain eternal life (which literally means "to chew").''

''When the Jews further question the strangeness of His teaching, Jesus uses an even more literal verb (in Greek, "trogo") to describe how we must eat His flesh to have eternal life (which literally means "to gnaw or crunch"). The word “trogo” is only used two other times in the New Testament (Matt. 24:38; John 13:18) and it is always used literally (physically eating). Protestants are unable to provide a single example of where "trogo" is ever used in a symbolic sense. To drive His point home, Jesus says that His flesh is real food indeed, and His blood is real drink indeed (Jesus says nothing about the bread being a symbol of His body and blood).''

''What is perhaps most compelling about the foregoing passages is what happens at the end of Jesus' discourse. We know that the Jews understood Jesus as speaking literally. This is demonstrated by their question, "How can this man give us His flesh to eat?" They could not conceive of why consuming Jesus' flesh was life-giving and how they could possibly do such a thing. We also know that Jesus responds to their question by being even more literal about eating His flesh and drinking His blood. But we learn at the end of Jesus' discourse that many of His followers, because of the difficulty of His teaching, decided to no longer follow Him - and Jesus let them go. Then He turned to His apostles and asked them, "Will you also go away?"

''Would Jesus, the Incarnate Word of God who became man to save humanity, allow his followers to leave Him if they misunderstood His teaching? Of course not, especially when the teaching regarded how they were to obtain eternal life which was at the heart of Jesus' mission. Jesus always explained the meaning of His teachings to His disciples. Mark 4:34. Jesus did not say, "Hey, guys, come back here, you got it all wrong." He didn't do this because they did not have it all wrong. They understood correctly - we must eat Jesus' flesh and drink His blood, or we have no life within us. The Protestant who contends that the Catholic offering of bread and wine in the Mass is just a symbol (and does not miraculously become the body and blood of Christ through the actions of the priest acting "in persona Christi") must address John 6:53-58, 66-67 - why Jesus used the words He did, and why Jesus allowed His followers to leave Him if they understood Him correctly (which is the only time in Scripture where Christ allows His disciples to leave Him based upon a doctrinal teaching).''

''When we meditate upon this mystery with an open mind and heart, we come to believe and know that the Eucharist is the way the Father gives us His Son in the eternal covenant of love by the power of the Holy Spirit. The Eucharist is an extension of the Incarnation. If we can believe in the Incarnation (that God become a little baby), than believing that God makes Himself substantially present under the appearance of bread and wine is easy. The Church has thus taught for 2,000 years that the Eucharist is the source and summit of the Christian faith - the consummation of the sacrificed Paschal lamb, by which we are restored to God and share in His divine life. Thus, Saint Paul says, "our Paschal lamb has been sacrificed; therefore, let us celebrate the feast." 1 Corinthians 5:7-8.''

If all that is lost on you. Nothing else I can do but pray.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/my_top_ten.html

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

Baby3, I am really glad to hear that you are giving the Church another try. I hope the new Deacon is patient and worthy of you.

The Church is the Sheep Fold of the Good Shepherd. It is much safer in the Sheep Fold than trying to go it alone. Satan is working so hard to lure Christians away from the safety of the Fold. It is not possible to snatch any Christian from Christ, the only way is the lure them away from the safety of Christ's hand.

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul

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Originally posted by God4me

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul

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Originally posted by God4me
But Jesus didn'y give them His body, DID HE?? NO.NO.,He gave them bread. WAKE UP DOZY.

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The Son of God doesn't speak in "metaphorical" language when He holds up unleaven bread (during the ancient practice of the Feast of Unleaven Bread) and says "This is My Body" and then holds up wine and says, "This is My Blood, which will be shed for many for the forgiveness of sins."

God the Son's own disciples realized He wasn't speaking in a "metaphorical" language.

They were sickened with His speech, His saying that people should eat His flesh and drink His blood and they questioned the Son of God, "This is a hard saying, who can accept it?"

And then Jesus asked them how (if they can't believe in the Miracle of Him being the Bread from Heaven), can they believe in His Resurrection and Ascension.

Those unbelieving disciples left Him in huge numbers.

And Jesus said of them, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to Him by My Father."

The unfortuneate Truth is, that the Protestantism(s) have denied what God the Father and God the Son have already granted.

You are correct in a way, you do receive a "symbol", however its a symbol of various Protestant theology.

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STOP TELLING LIES, YOU NAUGHTY MAN.

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Good Heavens, grow up and face the facts. And leave your childish fingerpointing and accusations for another of Protestantisms denominations.

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul

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Originally posted by God4me

What the deceiving catholics don't tell you is, Those seven books weren't in the original scripture, They catholic added them to fit some of their doctrines, For instance, When they want to add praying for the dead, They look fo something to bact is up, So they found the book of, Macc, Then then wanted to ad purgatory, So they found the book of Enoch and added that.

What Luther did,was, Restore the Bible back to it's right number of beooks.

God is the single being that added faith alaone, GET IT RIGHT.

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Do you pray for the living body (which includes their soul) and feel that those prayers are heard by God?

Do you feel that faithful souls are dead, once they are released from the body? Find that in Scripture.

There is no faith "alone" in Scripture. Luther added "alone" in his canon so that he could expunge himself from his own OCD tendencies and his scrupulousity.

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Originally posted by baby3

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Originally posted by Kingofkings

Does THIS OFFEND YOU? If so then LEAVE. It's what Jesus disciples did. You are doing exactly what they did. Ya the Romans also thought we were cannibals (the early church Catholics) and we were killed for it. You can't see the love in the Eucharist. I know it's hard for you. It's prity hard to grasp when your brought up Protestant. Even the first Protestant's excepted the Eucharist. It's clear as day.

Also cannibals are humans eating humans. We aren't eating a human. We are eating God. Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you. I AM the LIFE. More of Jesus's words for you. If it OFFENDS YOU LEAVE.Are you getting it yet? I hate being harsh.

Ya Jesus lowered himself to man for us. Then so we could eat his flesh and drink his blood. He lowered himself even further. So we can be one with him. That's just how much he loves us.

Sir explain to me. How bread and wine are symbolic of Jesus. You have no basis for thinking he was talking of the bread and wine as symbolic. The remembrance line Protestant's toss around is trash. As well as the spirit line. It is Jesus spiritually in the flesh.

You even have a physical incorruptible heart, flesh and blood. That came from the Eucharist. What else do you want? I can't make you except anything. I can only show you the facts. Brother please just look at the scriptures with a open heart.

John 6:53-58, 66-67

''"So Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever.' After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him. Jesus said to the twelve, 'Will you also go away?'"''

''Most Protestants believe that the bread and wine offered by the Catholic priest in the Holy Mass are only symbols of Christ's body and blood. They do not believe that Christians have to actually eat the flesh and drink the blood of Christ to have eternal life. They do not believe that Christ's flesh is actual food, and His blood actual drink. Why, then, does Jesus repeatedly say in these verses that we must eat His flesh and drink His blood or we have no life in us? Why does Christ say that His flesh is food indeed, and His blood is drink indeed, if His flesh and blood really aren't food and drink indeed? This teaching of Jesus on the Eucharist is the most profound in all of Scripture, and these verses are very problematic to the Protestant contention that the bread and wine of the Mass are just symbols.''

''When John 6 is prayerfully read, we see how Jesus gradually teaches the faithful about the life-giving bread from heaven that He will give to the world (through the multiplication of the loaves, the reference to the raining manna given to the Israelites, and finally to the bread that Jesus will give which is His flesh). When the Jews question Jesus about how he could possibly give them His flesh to eat, Jesus becomes more literal in His explanation. As we learned in the link on The Eucharist, Jesus says several times that we must eat (in Greek, "phago") His flesh to gain eternal life (which literally means "to chew").''

''When the Jews further question the strangeness of His teaching, Jesus uses an even more literal verb (in Greek, "trogo") to describe how we must eat His flesh to have eternal life (which literally means "to gnaw or crunch"). The word “trogo” is only used two other times in the New Testament (Matt. 24:38; John 13:18) and it is always used literally (physically eating). Protestants are unable to provide a single example of where "trogo" is ever used in a symbolic sense. To drive His point home, Jesus says that His flesh is real food indeed, and His blood is real drink indeed (Jesus says nothing about the bread being a symbol of His body and blood).''

''What is perhaps most compelling about the foregoing passages is what happens at the end of Jesus' discourse. We know that the Jews understood Jesus as speaking literally. This is demonstrated by their question, "How can this man give us His flesh to eat?" They could not conceive of why consuming Jesus' flesh was life-giving and how they could possibly do such a thing. We also know that Jesus responds to their question by being even more literal about eating His flesh and drinking His blood. But we learn at the end of Jesus' discourse that many of His followers, because of the difficulty of His teaching, decided to no longer follow Him - and Jesus let them go. Then He turned to His apostles and asked them, "Will you also go away?"

''Would Jesus, the Incarnate Word of God who became man to save humanity, allow his followers to leave Him if they misunderstood His teaching? Of course not, especially when the teaching regarded how they were to obtain eternal life which was at the heart of Jesus' mission. Jesus always explained the meaning of His teachings to His disciples. Mark 4:34. Jesus did not say, "Hey, guys, come back here, you got it all wrong." He didn't do this because they did not have it all wrong. They understood correctly - we must eat Jesus' flesh and drink His blood, or we have no life within us. The Protestant who contends that the Catholic offering of bread and wine in the Mass is just a symbol (and does not miraculously become the body and blood of Christ through the actions of the priest acting "in persona Christi") must address John 6:53-58, 66-67 - why Jesus used the words He did, and why Jesus allowed His followers to leave Him if they understood Him correctly (which is the only time in Scripture where Christ allows His disciples to leave Him based upon a doctrinal teaching).''

''When we meditate upon this mystery with an open mind and heart, we come to believe and know that the Eucharist is the way the Father gives us His Son in the eternal covenant of love by the power of the Holy Spirit. The Eucharist is an extension of the Incarnation. If we can believe in the Incarnation (that God become a little baby), than believing that God makes Himself substantially present under the appearance of bread and wine is easy. The Church has thus taught for 2,000 years that the Eucharist is the source and summit of the Christian faith - the consummation of the sacrificed Paschal lamb, by which we are restored to God and share in His divine life. Thus, Saint Paul says, "our Paschal lamb has been sacrificed; therefore, let us celebrate the feast." 1 Corinthians 5:7-8.''

If all that is lost on you. Nothing else I can do but pray.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/my_top_ten.html

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KingofKings, don't bother,some people that you tell the word to reject it just as they rejected the Lord,as a protestant I was nothing as a Catholic I am a child of the living God and a friend to those who are my family.All the rest are sinking sand.If I haden't listened to you and a few more here I would be as lost as G4. Blessings and Peace!!

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If you believe the scriptures and the truth that I say, You'll never be lost, If you believe what the lying kingofkings and other catholics says, You will be just as eternally lost as they are.

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If you see a Christian brother or sister sinning in a way that does not lead to death, you should pray, and God will give that person life. But there is a sin that leads to death, and I am not saying you should pray for those who commit it.

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul

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If you believe the scriptures and the truth that I say, You'll never be lost, If you believe what the lying kingofkings and other catholics says, You will be just as eternally lost as they are.

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G4Me,

Word to the wise.

Considering your comments to other Christians - coupled with your belief that all sins are of the same value - you should begin praying that a place of purgation exists for souls between Heaven and Hell.

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Originally posted by acumenCry

... and the truth that I say.

There is no truth in you, only venom. You have never proven a single stance of yours in opposition to Catholicism.

History is on the side of the Catholic Church, as are the Scriptures handed to you through her tradition. Many Protestants have had to come to terms with these truths, and this exodus out of me-ism and into the one flock is destined to continue.

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul


Have you read this passage in Sacred Scripture?

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If you see a Christian brother or sister sinning in a way that does not lead to death, you should pray, and God will give that person life. But there is a sin that leads to death, and I am not saying you should pray for those who commit it.

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And yet, you say, "We cannot pray for another persons soul, That would be witchcraft."

And, you say, "If not, "Faith alone", What eles is there???.
You can't but salvation, You can't ern it and there is nothing you can do to justify yourself to get saved. SO, What eles is there??."

I'd suggest reading through Scripture to find that the word "alone" does not follow the word 'faith'. Faith is one component in a soul's salvation, but faith is not the singular component.

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