Can God love?
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Can God love? We are told that the mythical bible God is love or the epitome of love. Archetypal Jesus said that we would know his people by the love, deeds and actions they showed others. Jesus gave us examples of the deeds and works. Feed the poor, love all our neighbours, do not sin and many others. Love then, seems to Jesus, to be something that must be shown by deeds, actions and works to be alive and true love. Love, like faith, without works is dead. Both St. James and Jesus agree on this. It follows then that if God is not doing something to show this love then the love for man expressed in scriptures is wrong and God cannot love. You are in the image of God. When you love someone you show them that love by works and deeds. This is how the recipient of that love knows it is there and that allows for reciprocity. You will agree that without reciprocity, true love cannot exist between two individuals. We must do things for each other for true love to exist. Imagine what those you love would think if you never did anything to express your love. Imagine what you would think of the love of others towards you if they never did anything to show they loved you. See what I mean. Love always must have deeds to be real and true and reciprocity must be at play. Love then has no choice but to be expressed if it is true love. We are told that God loved his son so much that he planned to have him sacrificed even before the earth was created. This human sacrifice or any other human sacrifice, voluntary or not, is immoral and the notion that it is good to sacrifice an innocent victim to give the guilty believers a free ride into heaven is a completely self-gratifying notion and is completely immoral. One does not show love for someone by having them sacrificed for the sins of others when God himself stated that we are all responsible for our own salvation and cannot put that responsibility of the shoulders of a scapegoat Jesus. Does love need deeds and works to be expressed? Have you seen God express his love for us lately? Regards DL These following speak to this issue if you wish to view them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMXoPhgTkuY&feature=player_embeddedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcO4TnrskE0&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP7SPJllNoc
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Why have you typed, "mythical bible God" and "Archetypal Jesus"?
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God allowed His Son to be sacrificed for our sake, but He is not the one who slew Him.
And while Jesus is truly man, He is also truly God. Unlike typical "human sacrifices", Jesus was able to rise from death and live again under His own power. And, as it says in the Bible, Jesus laid down His life. No one could take it from Him without His own cooperation.
God is Love and has shown it many times. That we resist and make things go wrong, is not God's fault.
God gives us all that we need, and each and every one of us is a gift from God to the world. We have it within us to make the world a better place if we live and love according to God's Will.
Even the least of us can do this. I have seen men with Down Syndrome serving the community and setting an example to all around them. My daughter's Godfather had Epilepsy so bad that it eventually killed him, and yet he also served in the community and was an inspiration to all who knew him.
Some of us can do great things, others are destined to do small things in greatness. St. Therese of Lisieux was a great saint, but she became a saint doing every little thing for God. Others did great and mighty deads and yet are no greater than she was.
I have felt God smile. His encouragement. Even a little direction from time to time. We all need this, but sometimes we need to be open to it. To listen instead of just assume. To look, to listen, to feel.
Those of us who are baptized Christians are the body of Christ. This means that we really are His hands and feet and other parts on this earth - working together as a unit, providing for each other and for those outside the body as well.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Have you seen God express his love for us lately?
Are you a father/mother to others?
Do you provide physical, emotional and spiritual "food" on a daily basis to those you love?
How does the Trinity provide the same on a daily basis?
Air, water, solid Earth, clockwork solar system, planetary motion, protection from solar winds, gravity, buoyant and bountiful seas, food production, animal husbandry, warmth of a properly aged Sun, stable atmosphere, seasons, products for housing, work, human reproduction for companionship, eternal souls, sonship & promised unity with Him, Eucharist, Sacred Scripture, His Church, absolution from our sins, His Mercy and forgiveness, guardian angels, His Mother, His Communion of Saints, etc.
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
Why have you typed, "mythical bible God" and "Archetypal Jesus"?
Because that is what they are.
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Have you seen God express his love for us lately?
Are you a father/mother to others?
Do you provide physical, emotional and spiritual "food" on a daily basis to those you love?
How does the Trinity provide the same on a daily basis?
Air, water, solid Earth, clockwork solar system, planetary motion, protection from solar winds, gravity, buoyant and bountiful seas, food production, animal husbandry, warmth of a properly aged Sun, stable atmosphere, seasons, products for housing, work, human reproduction for companionship, eternal souls, sonship & promised unity with Him, Eucharist, Sacred Scripture, His Church, absolution from our sins, His Mercy and forgiveness, guardian angels, His Mother, His Communion of Saints, etc.
I too can names many things in nature and many things from the imaginary supernatural world.
Proof is not found in either of these for God.
Unless you think all here is perfect as scriptures do say that God creates all things perfect.
Do you?
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DL
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God did not plan for Adam and Eve to eat the forbidden fruit. He knew that they would and made preparations for that eventuality, but that is not the same thing.
And speaking as a woman, and a history buff, I would rather be a Catholic woman than a woman under any other group. You wouldn't understand.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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The Spiritual world exist's. Look up all the miracles that have happened around the world. Silly science can't explain them.
Don't forget the something can't come out of nothing. Just look at all creation. Also how perfect the earth is made for life.
Also good luck explaining the shroud of turin. Scientist are unable to explain or reproduce it. 2000 year old burial cloth of Jesus. Scientist say the man in the shroud didn't take off the shroud by regular means. He passed through it(resurrection)and was weightless and the time the image was made. It was made with a high burst of energy (when he rose from the dead 2000) years ago and is marked with his blood. too much info to talk about go look it up it's Jesus and he rose from the dead =)
Explain fatima as well. The sun danced in the sky and came right up to the earth. Think it was something like 300 thousand people saw it. They were mostly atheist. Guess what they all became Catholic =) look up more info on that.
Oh ya here is a video of the Virgin Mary in Africa. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m8UNKD2RQM&feature=fvwrel
If you deny the spiritual world after all that idk what else I can say to you. Just ask God if he can hear you and you need help badly. With an open heart he will help you. Please pray brother. I will pray for you too. God bless <3
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I too can names many things in nature and many things from the imaginary supernatural world.
Proof is not found in either of these for God.
Unless you think all here is perfect as scriptures do say that God creates all things perfect.
You think "nature" is in control of our existance here on Earth?
I thought atheists/agnostics were more educated about scientific (im) probabilities.
This ministry is directed toward educating atheists & will help in your education about the Universe, Big Bang, Intelligent Design:
http://www.reasons.org/articles/astronomical-evidences-for-the-god-of-the-bible
Dr. Hugh Ross also has a program on the weekends on the Church Channel around 9 a.m. called "Reasons to Believe".
Edited by bwellmysoul on 05/02/2012 06:39:05
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Man it must hurt to be atheist. Once you feel God's love nothing else matters. I live for the lord. Every day I live is one day closer to the day I meet the lord. Atheist see it as a day lost. I see a day gained. When a atheist get's close to death fear and sadness envelopes them. As I get closer to death I am more alive then ever. The day that I die is the first day that I truly live. I honestly can't wait.
At the same time it's a blessing to be alive and produce fruits for the lord. So I want to live a long life. So I may give the lord much fruit. Even if i'm suffering being apart from my Father.
Jesus is truth the way and the life. You think the old testament is a myth but it's history. The old testament was all about Jesus. Thousand's of years before he came to be. The chances of Jesus fulfilling all of the prophecies was calculated at about 10 to the 157th power. that's a 10 with 157 zeros.
Up to you to believe or not. Only you can chose. God gives you free will. Because he loves you so much. He doesn't want robot's. That's not love. God Bless my brother ill pray for you. <3
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DL,
If I remember correctly (from your other posts) your atheism is also tied in with your disagreement with Scripture concerning homosexual sex.
My neice is pro-choice now (of the age for exploring her sexuality) and I've noticed that her theology and speech about God has changed from that of a personal God to that of the absent God of "the universe".
Disagreements with God over His Commandments need not force you into atheism.
God is Father, He loves us and wants to protect us from evil.
To do that, He establishes boundaries, but He will not force you to love Him. That's not love.
We individually choose to exist in relationship with Him or unfortuneately away from Him and into a world of our own making.
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
Why have you typed, "mythical bible God" and "Archetypal Jesus"?
Exactly that is blasphemy.
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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God is love.
Greatest i am 2 look up as much stuff on (Theology of the Body) on youtube.
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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Can God love?
We are told that the mythical bible God is love or the epitome of love.
Archetypal Jesus said that we would know his people by the love, deeds and actions they showed others.
Jesus gave us examples of the deeds and works. Feed the poor, love all our neighbours, do not sin and many others.
Love then, seems to Jesus, to be something that must be shown by deeds, actions and works to be alive and true love. Love, like faith, without works is dead. Both St. James and Jesus agree on this.
It follows then that if God is not doing something to show this love then the love for man expressed in scriptures is wrong and God cannot love.
You are in the image of God. When you love someone you show them that love by works and deeds. This is how the recipient of that love knows it is there and that allows for reciprocity. You will agree that without reciprocity, true love cannot exist between two individuals. We must do things for each other for true love to exist.
Imagine what those you love would think if you never did anything to express your love. Imagine what you would think of the love of others towards you if they never did anything to show they loved you. See what I mean. Love always must have deeds to be real and true and reciprocity must be at play.
Love then has no choice but to be expressed if it is true love.
We are told that God loved his son so much that he planned to have him sacrificed even before the earth was created. This human sacrifice or any other human sacrifice, voluntary or not, is immoral and the notion that it is good to sacrifice an innocent victim to give the guilty believers a free ride into heaven is a completely self-gratifying notion and is completely immoral. One does not show love for someone by having them sacrificed for the sins of others when God himself stated that we are all responsible for our own salvation and cannot put that responsibility of the shoulders of a scapegoat Jesus.
Does love need deeds and works to be expressed?
Have you seen God express his love for us lately?
Regards
DL
These following speak to this issue if you wish to view them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMXoPhgTkuY&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcO4TnrskE0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP7SPJllNoc
 OK I was on this same kick long ago but I got over the fact that everything is Gods fault. If God didn't love you your butt would have been toasted long ago DL.God rules, he does not have to give you even a sign if he does not want to. Every morning I get up I see God in front of me.He is in the sky and in the colors of the flowers he is the sweet fragrance of flowers and yes I have smelled that sweet fragrance in my life when praying to him or even walking around my own house he comes and I know he is there the sweet fragrance of love is all around me and I am not alone.When I turn on the water clear and crystal I know without this is would perish and God made this for everyone even you who shuns his mighty works but he will bless those who bless him, and he will curse those who curse him,that is all up to you.He has tolerated you this long he must have a plan for you hang in there he will show you the way, his love never fails.To know him is to Love him.Let me also say this,those who try to figure everything out usually go insane,receive and believe! it is this simple most of all your questions have been answered in some way DL but you refuse because of you ignorance and confusion, and doubt to believe anyone, that HE LIVES!! He is alive and well and coming back for his children you are not the only one who has asked these questions or doubted his words.
One thing I need to say is this ;If we can love you think of how much a supreme being can, he has more love than anyone you have ever met because you have not come to terms with this and you do not know him,you will not know the full capacity of his great Love it is a feeling not just a gift to those who love him.This feeling is way beyond what human man or woman could ever give to each other.It is a private thing between you and him and until you let the world and their nutty ideas go you are **** out of luck buddy in the outfield sucking your thumbs and dying in the dark.come into the light and know your maker he does love you!!!! More then I could!
baby3
Edited by baby3 on 05/03/2012 17:43:05
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Thanks all for preaching.
Love is as love does.
Refute or go away.
I ignore preaching.
Regards
DL
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