G4 this is for you!! Blessings and Peace

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Originally posted by baby3

I went and got something for you to read about Catholic priests
As far as the Catholic Church and priests who live celibate lives, we must consider the massive number of priests over the years who have chosen this devotion willingly and even eagerly as a sacrifice and who remained faithful to that calling. Those priests who have sinned in their sexual activities are less than 1% of the total number of devout Priests who remained true to their celibate life over the centuries upon centuries this devotion has been lived. It would be unfair to them to suggest the breaking of the vow of celibacy is common and according to scripture we are to accept and support those who choose such a sacrifice. If men wish to become ordained and be married they can become deacons which is something I would have wished to do but am passed the age to do that now.

For instance, if you decided you wanted to devote you life to prayer and sacrifice not only a sexual relationship but a social relationship by joining a cloistered religious group, you would do that strictly at your own choice as a sacrifice to God living a life devoted to prayer. Some do this just like some become priests or monks or whatever. what right does anyone else have to criticize you for devoting yourself to God in that way rather than just remaining as a lay person who devotes herself to God in her own ways? Do you see? we do not and never did have a shortage of priests because of the celibacy issue, and those cases of sex scandals that have occurred over the last 50 years has been due to two main reasons; one because the Church became lax in their poor screening of applicants, many of whom joined the priesthood for the wrong reasons and two because our entire society abandoning our religious morality since the mid 1960s.

Let me offer you this so it may further explain the importance of Celibacy.
Our Lord Jesus Christ as Redeemer came to restore all things, including marriage. However, in the process of doing so, He introduced a new depth into the relationship between man and God––celibacy. It should be understood that, as true man, Christ was certainly physically capable of marrying. However, the marriage He entered into was not a marriage with one particular woman only. Through the love of a Bridegroom who was not only human but also divine, Christ came to marry spiritually all He redeemed on the Cross. This new spiritual and celibate love highlighted for the first time that there is another state of existence awaiting humanity after our earthly pilgrimage––the state of resurrection. The love of Christ was of the kind the Just will finally and perfectly possess when they are united with God in the Beatific Vision. In heaven, there will be no bodily marriage, for our bodies will be completely absorbed in the spiritual marriage with the three Persons of the Blessed Trinity and a union of joy with the Saints. Celibacy is not a dogma of faith but a disciplinary law designed to increase the dignity of the priesthood. In the early Church there were many married men chosen for the offices of priest and bishop, but as the numbers of single, eligible men increased, more of them were ordained. Though widely practiced since the beginning of the Church, celibacy was introduced as a mandatory rule in the Western Church only during the eleventh century, as part of the reforms of Pope St. Gregory VII. The Church has the right to make (or unmake) such positive ecclesiastical laws on the basis of the power of the keys given to St. Peter: “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven” (St. Matt. 16:19). Unknown to many, the Eastern Rites of the Catholic Church have never changed their discipline and even to this day allow married men to become priests. However, once ordained, an Eastern Rite priest cannot marry, and only celibates can be chosen as bishops. It was Our Lord Himself who first called some of His followers to celibacy: “Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can” (St. Matt. 19:11-12). “And he said to them, Truly, I say to you, there is no man who has left house or wife or brothers or parents or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God, who will not receive manifold more in this time, and in the age to come eternal life” (St. Luke 18:29). Our Lord clearly praises celibacy and promises to reward it abundantly when undertaken for His service and glory. The injunction to “be fruitful and multiply” in Genesis 1:28 is only a general counsel for the human race; it is not obligatory for each individual, or Christ would have been counseling and allowing people to live in a state of disobedience, including St. John the Baptist and all the Apostles except St. Peter. The teaching of the Apostle of the Gentiles, St. Paul, is the same as Our Lord’s. He, like Christ, led a life of celibacy and recommended it to others: “I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own special gift from God, one of one kind and one of another. To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain unmarried as I am. But if they are not practicing self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion ... Now concerning virgins, I have no command of the Lord ... Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be free. Are you free from a wife? Do not seek a wife. But if you marry, you do not sin, and if a virgin marries, she does not sin” (1 Cor. 7:8-9 & 25 & 27-28). Furthermore, he expressly states that celibacy is a higher state than the state of marriage: “So that he who marries his betrothed does well; and he who refrains from marriage will do better” (v. 38). In the light of the words and examples of Christ and St. Paul, how can anyone say that the celibate life is not an excellent one and therefore deny souls the opportunity of following more closely the footsteps of their Master? St. Paul also gives a practical reason why the priests of Christ should practice celibacy: “The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married man is anxious about the affairs of the world, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided” (vv. 32-34). As a final point, the one hundred and forty-four thousand who sing the new canticle and follow the Lamb wherever He goes in the Book of Revelation are all virgins, as St. John relates in Chapter 14.

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Reloigion meand, "Bondage"

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Originally posted by mikejuli

i've seen bondage in pastors families.. after all their children don't get a choice.. they become pastors kids and have to deal with all the stuff that comes along with that. pastors wives as well are put on the pedestal without any choice of their own as well.. on the other hand i have seen pastors makes rules or sects make rules that also place bondage on their followers. i mean if a person wants to smoke a cigarette they should be alllowed to, but people like g4 wont permit it and will go so far as to claim that smoking is proof of a loss of salvation in their attempt to control.

celibacy in the priesthood makes sense and it isn't a bondage to promote it. it spares many families, wives and children from being dragged through the pastoral position, it frees the pastor to truly pastor a congregation without concern for their family. i mean lets face it a priest is completely devoted to his flock... a married pastor has to take care of his family and the concregation... so clearly one or both will suffer from this.

in the catholic faith there is a priesthood of believers.. so those who choose the single life or married are also choosing a vocation where their priesthood is needed and valued, but the calling to orders, the priesthood and religious life, is a calling that should not be jumbled up with another vocation. it's the same reason why we catholics also oppose polygamy. too many spouses make too many demands and so there is sacrifice. one spouse does without while the other gains or they all lose. (personally i would love to see polygamists reverse roles for a change... i mean why aren't there any women with a dozen husbands?)

so far from people being placed in bondage we see that the catholic ideal of celibacy is freeing. it liberates the priest to truly pastor the church. it frees the church from lousy pastors who are trying to explain why the congregation should follow him when his own family wont... (pastors kids were always the most rebellious).. and it also frees the missions up. cannot tell you how many times i met families with missionary kids, and the stress and such that places on them. many were not ready to be missionaries, even the wives said they felt obligated to follow their husbands... just too many dissasters..

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Originally posted by acumenCry

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Reloigion meand, "Bondage"

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Is that Greek?

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. - James 1:27

True religion is not bondage. You just can't understand it, because you are so blinded by the false idols of your own generic religion of bondage.

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Originally posted by God4me





YEH, Thas't why catholic priests don't pastor proper, Thats why they don't baptise proper and therefore deliberately send people to hell, That why they do child abuse, Thats why they become gay.
YEH it's a good thing for catholics to have the celibasy

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Originally posted by acumenCry

You never fail to let your ignorance shine.

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Originally posted by mikejuli

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Originally posted by God4me





YEH, Thas't why catholic priests don't pastor proper, Thats why they don't baptise proper and therefore deliberately send people to hell, That why they do child abuse, Thats why they become gay.
YEH it's a good thing for catholics to have the celibasy

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ignorance maximus g4.. what should i expect.. shall i tell some stories of pentacostal pastors who abused children? and were gay? and who slept with the worship leaders wife? and a worship leader who slept with the pastors wife? and the pentacostal pastor who let a liar preach the "anointing" and when he was exposed as a fraud the pastor hushed it up because he was brining in money? and those pentacostals who baptized improperly without the trinitarian formula? and who send people to hell because they smoked a cigarette or had a beer? and who "shepherd" their flock like stalin? and shun people because they didn't get healed when the pastor prayed (no one ever thinks it might have been the pastor who lacked faith)

no i wont bother.. i've been there and done that and you haven't been here at all. you just relied on what ignorant anti catholics told you to believe because you really are that stupid..

i think i will start doing one thing that g4 does and that is that i will from now on judge his sect by the actions of a few. jim bakker and jim swaggart seem like good candidates... therefor g4 must be just like them. that is how g4's worm sized brain seems to work.. so i will use logic simple enough for him to understand...

so g4, still masturbating on hookers after church?

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Originally posted by God4me
YEH, Thas't why catholic priests don't pastor proper, Thats why they don't baptise proper and therefore deliberately send people to hell, That why they do child abuse, Thats why they become gay.
YEH it's a good thing for catholics to have the celibasy

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