Do catholics believe that Jesus went to hell
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In the so-called catholics, "Apostles creed", They say Jesus went to hell.Do they really believe it, Or are they telling porkies AGAIN.Remember, The whole world believes hell is a place for the damned, wicked, sinners and spirituall dead people, A place of torment.And more...
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Originally posted by mikejuli
Already read the facts g4. You have no argument. As a matter of fact, if you used your head for something else then sitting on, you would have put the pieces together and know that the church which Christ established and which even you know will be throughout all ages can only be the ancient church which is catholic and not some 20th century sect.
Ha ha.
You mean you have read what the catholics say, But there not fact, You your self know very well that the catholic tell lies.
Where in the Bible does it say that the Churh Jesus built ever ended??, WE have been going ever since, We didn't start in the 20 century.
That is just another catholic lie.
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How in the world could the catholic church start with Jesus, When it wasn't formed be the devil untill at least 300-600 years later??
WAKE UP.
If I had a dime for every time you posted this...
Then you should have no time proving it, g4. I studied history from the point of view of Catholics, Protestants, and completely unbiased historians who could care less who was right and who was wrong. I engaged in all of this study in an attempt to prove the Catholic Church wrong. And guess what... there is no denying that the early Church was Catholic.
You are the only person on this forum who is afraid to look the truth in the eye, and it is obvious that you are not well-read whatsoever. Stop lying to everyone (including yourself).
The catholic churcu isn't the one that Jesus built.
[1]It is catholic, NOT CHRISTIAN.
[2]It wasn't formed until at least 300 years later. FACT, Even you own Dr's & professors admit it.
[3]The catholic church has no resemblance to the Biblical Church.
You catholics have let the devil deceive you, And send you to hell.
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Bahahaha! Prove it or shut up with the lies, parrot.
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You mean you have read what the catholics say, But there not fact, You your self know very well that the catholic tell lies.
no. i used to just read what pentacostals said but that wasn't fact. the catholic church has better integrity with the facts and history. anyway your argument is about the worse you can make.. it is the classic manipulative/conspiracy theory argument there is.. doesn't work on me though.. one of the good things i did pick up from pentacostalism was how to deal with manipulators like you... 
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Where in the Bible does it say that the Churh Jesus built ever ended??, WE have been going ever since, We didn't start in the 20 century.
That is just another catholic lie.
no its not a lie.. it's your argument with it's logical conclusion. not my fault if you cannot eat from the same dish you hand out. the church never did end, and neither did it start in 300 ad. you may not like it, you may not want to believe it, you may be so filled with unholy hate from the propaganda and poor pentacostal apologetics.. i don't really care. you either start dealing with the facts and the truth or i will continue to just point out your hypocrisy.
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Which also proves the Catholic Church [which wasn't formed until at lease 300--600 years later].
FYI G4Me:
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The title, Symbolum Apostolicum (Symbol or Creed of the Apostles), appears for the first time in a letter from a Council in Milan (probably written by Ambrose himself) to Pope Siricius in about 390:
"Let them give credit to the Creed of the Apostles, which the Roman Church has always kept and preserved undefiled".[3][4]
But what existed at that time was not what is now known as the Apostles' Creed but a shorter statement of belief that, for instance, did not include the phrase "maker of heaven and earth", a phrase that may have been inserted only in the 7th century.[5]
The account of the origin of this creed, the forerunner and principal source of the Apostles' Creed,[6] as having been jointly created by the Apostles under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, with each of the twelve contributing one of the articles, was already current at that time.[4]
The earlier text evolved from simpler texts based on Matthew 28:19,[4] part of the Great Commission, and it has been argued that it was already in written form by the late 2nd century (c. 180).[4][7]
I can hear the squirrels in your head now G4Me, trying to revision the math.
Did the Born Again College you attended, hide all access to computers and to books that detailed the Early Church?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synod_of_Milan
Ouch...here Wikipedia talks about Priests, Popes and Deacons in the year 355.
Oh MY!!!!
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Synod of 355
Ruins of the Basilica Maior where was held the 355 synod
Lucifer of Cagliari was deputed by Pope Liberius, with the priest Pancratius and the deacon Hilary, to request the Emperor Constantius to convene a council, to deal with the accusations directed against St. Athanasius and his previous condemnation.
This council was convened at Milan in the newly erected Basilica Nova (or Basilica Maior or St. Tecla).[3]
The council however did not followed the hopes of the Pope due the overwhelming number of Arians bishops and the initial forced absence of the champion of the Nicaean faith, Eusebius of Vercelli.
Lucifer there defended the Bishop of Alexandria (Athanasius) with much passion and in very violent language, thus furnishing the adversaries of the great Alexandrian with a pretext for resentment and further violence, and causing a new condemnation of Athanasius[4].
The bishop of Milan Dionysius initially seemed ready to follow the Arians in condemning Athanasius, accused not of heresy but of lese-majesty against the Emperor.[5]
With the arrival of Eusebius the situation changed: Eusebius requested an immediate subscription of the Nicaean faith by the bishops.
Eusebius, Lucifer and Dionysius signed, but the Arian bishop Valens of Mursia violently shreded the act of faith.
Constantius, unaccustomed to independence on the part of the bishops, moved the synod to his palace and grievously maltreated Lucifer and his two colleagues Eusebius and Dionysius.
These three Nicaean bishops were exiled, and the synod, now governed by the Arians bishops of the court of Constantius, ended supporting Arian statements.
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Originally posted by God4me
Which also proves the Catholic Church [which wasn't formed until at lease 300--600 years later].
FYI G4Me:
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The title, Symbolum Apostolicum (Symbol or Creed of the Apostles), appears for the first time in a letter from a Council in Milan (probably written by Ambrose himself) to Pope Siricius in about 390:
"Let them give credit to the Creed of the Apostles, which the Roman Church has always kept and preserved undefiled".[3][4]
But what existed at that time was not what is now known as the Apostles' Creed but a shorter statement of belief that, for instance, did not include the phrase "maker of heaven and earth", a phrase that may have been inserted only in the 7th century.[5]
The account of the origin of this creed, the forerunner and principal source of the Apostles' Creed,[6] as having been jointly created by the Apostles under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, with each of the twelve contributing one of the articles, was already current at that time.[4]
The earlier text evolved from simpler texts based on Matthew 28:19,[4] part of the Great Commission, and it has been argued that it was already in written form by the late 2nd century (c. 180).[4][7]
I can hear the squirrels in your head now G4Me, trying to revision the math.
Did the Born Again College you attended, hide all access to computers and to books that detailed the Early Church?
You can't get away from the fact that the catholics weren't formed until at least 300 years later.
But the catholic church has always told lies., SEE THE COUNCIL OF TRENT, It is full of catholic lies.
For instance, It says,"If anyone says they are justified by faith alone, Without doing any works of satisfation, That person is anathema".
Whereas the Bible say we are justified by faith WITHOUT WORKS.
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synod_of_Milan
Ouch...here Wikipedia talks about Priests, Popes and Deacons in the year 355.
Oh MY!!!!
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Synod of 355
Ruins of the Basilica Maior where was held the 355 synod
Lucifer of Cagliari was deputed by Pope Liberius, with the priest Pancratius and the deacon Hilary, to request the Emperor Constantius to convene a council, to deal with the accusations directed against St. Athanasius and his previous condemnation.
This council was convened at Milan in the newly erected Basilica Nova (or Basilica Maior or St. Tecla).[3]
The council however did not followed the hopes of the Pope due the overwhelming number of Arians bishops and the initial forced absence of the champion of the Nicaean faith, Eusebius of Vercelli.
Lucifer there defended the Bishop of Alexandria (Athanasius) with much passion and in very violent language, thus furnishing the adversaries of the great Alexandrian with a pretext for resentment and further violence, and causing a new condemnation of Athanasius[4].
The bishop of Milan Dionysius initially seemed ready to follow the Arians in condemning Athanasius, accused not of heresy but of lese-majesty against the Emperor.[5]
With the arrival of Eusebius the situation changed: Eusebius requested an immediate subscription of the Nicaean faith by the bishops.
Eusebius, Lucifer and Dionysius signed, but the Arian bishop Valens of Mursia violently shreded the act of faith.
Constantius, unaccustomed to independence on the part of the bishops, moved the synod to his palace and grievously maltreated Lucifer and his two colleagues Eusebius and Dionysius.
These three Nicaean bishops were exiled, and the synod, now governed by the Arians bishops of the court of Constantius, ended supporting Arian statements.
Forget what wikipedia says, There is no Biblical Bishops as the catholic use them,
STAY WITH WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS.
Is there anything in the Bible that the catholics believe??, Or are all your beliefs man made??.
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Knock knock.
Anyone home?
Pope Liberious, at the 355 A.D. Council of Milan, was the 36th man to fill the office of the Papacy.
Edited by bwellmysoul on 05/14/2012 10:21:03
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STAY WITH WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS.
Is there anything in the Bible that the catholics believe??, Or are all your beliefs man made??.
Following your theology and perspective; be aware that your "faith alone" Luther made doctrine - developed out of the various protestantisms.
Take your own advice and begin questioning protestantism, because it isn't in the Bible.
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OH MY!
And Bishops are front and center at the Council of Milan 355 A.D.
Whatever is - your Pentecostal mind going to do?
Refute history with "stop telling lies"?
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No where in the Bible does it say that we are justified by Faith without works.
The closest we get is when Paul said we are justified by faith apart from works of the law, but that is not the same thing at all. Paul makes it clear that Faith works by love, and speaks of working by faith and encouraging his readers to continue in Good Works.
And James says that faith without works is dead. Infact, he takes it one step further. He flat out states that we are nut justified by faith only.
And don't give us any skubalon about there being different types of justification. The word used in Paul's writings and James' epistle are the exact same word used the exact same way.
James is not speaking of works of the Law, we are not justified by Works of the Law, never were and are not now. But we are justified by works. This has to be with Faith for Faith without works is dead, and works without Faith is not any better.
Pax et Bonum,
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Originally posted by God4me
Forget what wikipedia says, There is no Biblical Bishops as the catholic use them,
STAY WITH WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS.
Is there anything in the Bible that the catholics believe??, Or are all your beliefs man made??.
so funny isn't it? it's classic manipulation "don't listen to them just listen to me"... "your beliefs are man made but mine are not" silly silly rabbit. g4.. i really suggest you go back to the third grade and finish, cause either your really stupid or really evil. i would like to at least think that your simply another ignorant whiner rather than an evil manipulative bastard, but i really cannot believe anyone is that dumb.
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Yeah, something's not right with him. Sometimes I wonder if he's just a bored atheist troll or something.
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Originally posted by God4me
STAY WITH WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS.
Is there anything in the Bible that the catholics believe??, Or are all your beliefs man made??.
Following your theology and perspective; be aware that your "faith alone" Luther made doctrine - developed out of the various protestantisms.
Take your own advice and begin questioning protestantism, because it isn't in the Bible.
It was god who chose "Faith alone",
You gormless burke.
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