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Is hell anything like -- do unto others and love the sinner? Some more enlightened Christians are trying to mature Christianity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqcThe Christian invention of hell and Christian strong desire for it to exist, shows a hatred that is quite deep within the Christian tribal soul. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv_rmQuagpY&feature=player_embeddedJesus would not cast the first stone yet Christians adamantly demand that he cast the last killing stone called hell. You will reap what you sow Christian. This will be you unless you repent from your hating ways. You are corrupting Jesus and his good archetypal name. I predict this following for you if you do not lose your hate for those who just happen by accident of birth to not believe as you do. Beware. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3LNL6wKhXARegards DL
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Hell is for people who don't love God. If you don't want to go to Hell, then don't choose it.
No one has to go to Hell, but Jesus is not going to force people to go to Heaven when they don't want anything to do with God.
The pain of Hell is the absense of God. God is not tormenting people in Hell, they are the source of their own misery. Hell is full of bitter, angry, miserable souls who only ever wanted to do their own thing and were unwilling to do as God asked.
God does not ask much - Love God and love your neighbour as yourself. If everyone did this, truly did this, the world would be Heaven on earth.
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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i'm not sure that "maturing christianity" would be the correct term giam. sounds like they are rather trying to avoid responsibility. you may as well ask if going to jail sounds like "land of the free" or "life, liberty and the persuit of happiness". my thought and the thought of many today is that the last several generations have simply lost that old ethic of responsibility. they don't want to be told what to do, but these people seem very intent on letting everyone else know what they should do.
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Staying immature eh?
Thanks for speaking of taking responsibility while you use a scapegoat Jesus to take yours.
You call evil good and that is why those who will try to profit from God having his son needlessly murdered will end in hell. Enjoy the heat of your immoral position.
Christianity is based on human sacrifice and that makes it immoral.
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Hell is for people who don't love God.
Love me or burn forever.
Nice God you have there.
Do you give your children the same option for you?
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Staying immature eh?
Thanks for speaking of taking responsibility while you use a scapegoat Jesus to take yours.
You call evil good and that is why those who will try to profit from God having his son needlessly murdered will end in hell. Enjoy the heat of your immoral position.
Christianity is based on human sacrifice and that makes it immoral.
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oh boy. the pouter in you is starting to show giam. anyone as smart as you should know that the sacrifice of god, (not a mere human sacrifice) of his own volition, (not forced by irrisponsible people like you) places responsibility on all of us? you think it's a scapegoat but it's not. the minute christ forgave placed responsibility in our hands.. and still you choose to whine about it?
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If you though a murder was somehow the only way to save people, what would you choose to do.
Show your love for your son by having him murdered, or having enough love to step up yourself?
A simple questin eh?
Give an answer if you dare instead of just spouting your brain numbing dogma.
Who would die? You or your child?
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If the bible is true, as you seem to think it is even though it is all myth, then you might recall that it says that your God also gave Satan the power to deceiver the whole world.
So what should you do?
Go by moral standards, right?
Romans 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Is hell good?
Better to shovel coal in hell than to spend eternity in heaven watching friends, neighbors and our children in torture and flame forever.
Only a sick mind would conceive of such a situation or wish it upon anyone. That is why God would not do such because then, heaven would be hell.
If those in heaven did not go insane then they could not have once been human or good.
You should think of hell just a bit and recognize that God would not create such an immoral construct. Lose your barbaric tribal mentality. We are in 2012, not 112.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9FKn4rKXEY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTpJ8PGT2yY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaL7CkQaQpU&feature=related
If you are going to go by morality, then question your morality.
Judgment and punishment go hand in hand.
Our human laws have a form of punishment where the penalty is graduated to fit the crime. An eye for an eye type of justice. As scriptures urge when they are not preaching death for miniscule sins.
God‘s punishment seems to surpass this standard.
The definition I am comparing here is the eternal fire and torture type of hell and I am not particularly interested in the myriad of other definitions and theories that some use to supplant this traditional view.
To ascertain if hell would be a moral construct or not, all you need do is answer these simple question for yourself.
1. Is it good justice for a soul to be able to sin for only 120 years and then have to suffer torture for 12000000000000000000000000 + years?
2. Is it good justice for small or mediocre sinners to have to bear the same sentence as Hitler, Stalin and other genocidal maniacs?
This might actually include God if you see Noah’s flood as God using genocide and not justice against man. Pardon the digression.
Punishment is usually only given to change attitude or actions and cause the sinner to repent.
3. Is it good justice to continue to torture a soul in hell if no change in attitude or actions are to result?
4. If you answered yes to these questions, then would killing the soul not be a better form of justice than to torture it for no possible good result or purpose?
Is hell a moral construct or not?
Please explain your reasons and know that ---just because God created it ---does not explain your moral judgment. It is your view I seek and not God’s as no one can speak for God.
As for my dropping being a Gnostic Christian and becoming Christian. No thanks, my soul is too important for me to join a religion based on human sacrifice that in and of itself is immoral.
You go ahead though and line up for heaven in that line on the right but do not be surprised when you join Kenny in hell. That is the place for those who will try to profit from God having his son needlessly murdered
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Hell is for people who don't love God.
Love me or burn forever.
Nice God you have there.
Do you give your children the same option for you?
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I heard God created hell out of his mercy. That the evil may have a place to hide from the face of God.
Rev 6
[14] the sky vanished like a scroll that is rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
[15] Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the generals and the rich and the strong, and every one, slave and free, hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains,
[16] calling to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb;
Hell is for people who don't love God. Kind of like how prison is for people who do not love their neighbor.
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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If you though a murder was somehow the only way to save people, what would you choose to do.
i don't think murder is the only way to save people.. i'm not for abortion dude.. and there is a big difference between sacrifice and murder. if i choose to lay down my life for a friend then there is no murder. if all you can see in the gospel is a murder then i suggest you try to think outside of the puny box you squeezed your head into.
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Show your love for your son by having him murdered, or having enough love to step up yourself?
there is one god. again with the puny head. look, if jesus were a son in the human sense that would be one thing.. but the trinity isn't saying that. jesus isn't a separate god who is the son of another father god.. they are one. so this argument is out.
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A simple questin eh?
Give an answer if you dare instead of just spouting your brain numbing dogma.
got answers aplenty for your brain numbing dogmas giam. it would be nice though if you whiners would just try your own criticism on yourself for a change. i grow weary of having to explain simple ideas which have been misconstrued and exaggerated by someone who should know better.
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Who would die? You or your child?
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i am a father and a son. so are you. so who dies? the father or the son? please think about this giam. cause if you say you would die then your still someone elses son.. so if i were a whiner like you i would ask why your father is such a loser that he would let his son die...
see how fun it is to play word games?
seriously though do take the time to think and challenge your own claims... it's what i do. i'm a skeptic first and foremost of my own beliefs. that keeps me honest. it was my outsider test of faith before the term became popular.
now there is always the chance that your just trying to be offensive cause you get off on it. if that is the case.. oh well. your not the first, you wont be the last of that lazy brood. but i don't know.. are you sincere or just a sophist?
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DL,
It is not God who created an eternal absence from the Trinity.
We create that, by our will.
Will to be close to God and the Holy Spirit will be open to you.
Evil exists whether or not you admit to yourself that it does.
Covenant with God is family.
Coven with Evil is an eternity with a murderer and a liar.
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P.S. Christianity is 2,000 years old, and her King and leader is eternal.
No more "enlightenment" or "maturation" is needed in Christianity - particularly not from this generation which has become notorious for its militant anti-christs.
The true enlightened and mature Christians, already exist, in their purity in the Early Church. They are the Apostles and their Jewish and pagan converts who allowed for the martyring of their own bodies in order to save His Church.
Nothing in our age is "enlightened or mature" that comes from either anti-christ paganism or the militant anti-christs.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ott15j2KwQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoHP-f-_F9U
If the bible is true, as you seem to think it is even though it is all myth, then you might recall that it says that your God also gave Satan the power to deceiver the whole world.
So what should you do?
Go by moral standards, right?
Romans 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Is hell good?
Better to shovel coal in hell than to spend eternity in heaven watching friends, neighbors and our children in torture and flame forever.
Only a sick mind would conceive of such a situation or wish it upon anyone. That is why God would not do such because then, heaven would be hell.
If those in heaven did not go insane then they could not have once been human or good.
You should think of hell just a bit and recognize that God would not create such an immoral construct. Lose your barbaric tribal mentality. We are in 2012, not 112.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9FKn4rKXEY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTpJ8PGT2yY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaL7CkQaQpU&feature=related
If you are going to go by morality, then question your morality.
Judgment and punishment go hand in hand.
Our human laws have a form of punishment where the penalty is graduated to fit the crime. An eye for an eye type of justice. As scriptures urge when they are not preaching death for miniscule sins.
God‘s punishment seems to surpass this standard.
The definition I am comparing here is the eternal fire and torture type of hell and I am not particularly interested in the myriad of other definitions and theories that some use to supplant this traditional view.
To ascertain if hell would be a moral construct or not, all you need do is answer these simple question for yourself.
1. Is it good justice for a soul to be able to sin for only 120 years and then have to suffer torture for 12000000000000000000000000 + years?
2. Is it good justice for small or mediocre sinners to have to bear the same sentence as Hitler, Stalin and other genocidal maniacs?
This might actually include God if you see Noah’s flood as God using genocide and not justice against man. Pardon the digression.
Punishment is usually only given to change attitude or actions and cause the sinner to repent.
3. Is it good justice to continue to torture a soul in hell if no change in attitude or actions are to result?
4. If you answered yes to these questions, then would killing the soul not be a better form of justice than to torture it for no possible good result or purpose?
Is hell a moral construct or not?
Please explain your reasons and know that ---just because God created it ---does not explain your moral judgment. It is your view I seek and not God’s as no one can speak for God.
You go ahead though and line up for heaven in that line on the right but do not be surprised when you join Kenny in hell. That is the place for those who will try to profit from God having his son needlessly murdered
Regards
DL
Edited by Greatest I am 2 on 05/16/2012 09:38:14
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DL,
All that a person need do, is repent of their sins and ask for forgiveness in order to receive God's mercy and grace.
It's all there, for the asking.
We must will ourselves to ask.
Asking shows our faith.
Repenting displays our hope.
Receiving His mercy and grace - in exchange for our sins - is a really great deal.
This exchange - between a Father and His children - develops family unity, bonds and love.
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"Today, if you hear His Voice, harden not your heart."
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Gnosticism is the proverbial "riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma."
It is, whatever you wish it to be. A perfect practice for the ego centric.
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