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Hi, I overheard that the Catholic church teaches another gospel, now I would like to know what the Pentecostals teach and the baptist teach and the millions of beliefs out there, that are different then the Catholic church and if they all agree with each other which I am sure most will then why in SAM Hill don't they join together and become one??They are all right and one church is wrong, of all the religions in the world? Well if you turn this idea around you will find quite the opposite much better to believe then churches that can't even get along with each other and join forces together since they all are aware of what Jesus said to be on one mind and one belief etc. I still don't get what it is or will take for them to see the err of their ways and to stop blaming the Catholic church for what they are to lazy to try to understand.How the heck can well educated people not get the jest of it? Now I know what educated idiot means:)I am not that educated and I ask questions and try to go else where to find someone that I feel I can trust to teach me what they know and I find they are teaching me with love and patience remembering what I told them I do not understand every thing and the language is hard for me to grasp but I am bent on trying to find the way. Now I studied with the Baptist.Jehovah's,7day Adventist.Mormons,Southern baptists, Church of the Great God,Methodist,Pentecostal,Non denominational, Dispensational, This rapture.that Rapture,if none of them have been right, and there are so many, but yet the oldest church is the Catholic and Greek and Asian Orthodox how can any of the false prophets of this day and age ever be right when they are the ones who are wrong? They are not from days of old the Church of Jesus was already established before all the other messes came and sought out how to get into the act.
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Edited by baby3 on 05/23/2012 09:34:53
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Originally posted by God4me
You big hypocrite, You quote the Bible but you don't believe it.
Now, now child. You reap what you sow.
Jame's, "Faith withought works", Isn't talking about salvation, If it was, That means you'll have to offer your son to be sacrificed.
Of course he's talking about the salvation of a soul. If faith is the sole requirement for the salvation of a soul (as you say) and that faith can be killed "without works" as St. James' saysthen faith is rendered worthless.
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Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food.If one of you says to him,
"Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it?
So you see, faith by itself isn't enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless.
Read Eph 2: 8--9,
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--.
Absolutely, we as Catholics believe this to be true. Our soul's salvation is a gift from God. Faith and grace are also gifts from God.
Titus 3: 5...
he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
We Catholics agree also with this Scripture. We are saved by God's mercy.
You have forgotten to mention that Titus also wrote:
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This is a trustworthy saying.
And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.
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But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.
[quote]Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him.[/quote]
AND STOP TELLING LIES.
Thank you Titus, I'm going to take your advice.
Edited by bwellmysoul on 05/23/2012 10:07:13
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Amen.
Jesus did not go to the Scribes and the Pharisees who were well educated, but to fishermen and tax collectors (tax collectors were educated, but were not focused on the pursuit of knowledge).
There is nothing wrong with intelligence or education, but sometimes the simplest things can get so very complicated in the minds of those who want to press another agenda.
The beauty of the Gospel is that is so simple that a child can understand it and so deep that even the most brilliant mind could never fully plumb its depths in a single lifetime.
And because of this, there have been many great saints of all times - from the most brilliant minds to the simplest. St. Bernadette of Lourdes was a great saint and role model and yet she struggled with her education. She was a woman of faith and that is preferable to an education without faith.
St. Therese of Lisieux was another great saint. She was humble and did not do the "great" things of some of the other saints, but instead devoted her time to the little things and made her whole life a beautiful prayer to God. In this she became as great as any other.
Brother Andre, now Saint Andre, was not even able to become a parish priest. Education was not his strong point. But what a great saint he was. Serving to the best of his ability without complaint, and upon him was bestowed the charism of healing like few have ever seen. Pentecostals would be green with envy if they but knew even a fraction of what Saint Andre had done. They would give anything to be able to do what he did on a regular basis. He was blessed with extraordinary faith and an extraordinary gift and he gave glory to God with all of his heart.
Faith means trusting in Christ. We have so many denominations and non-denoms because too many trusted in themselves.
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
Edited by Faith_at_Large on 05/22/2012 18:20:26
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Hi, I overheard that the Catholic church teaches another gospel, now I would like to know what the Pentecostals teach and the baptist teach and the millions of be;liefs out there that are different then the Catholic church and if they all agree with each other which I am sure most will then why in SAM Hill don't they join together and become one??They are all right and one church is wrong of all the religions in the world? Well if you turn this idea around you will find quite the opposite much better to believe then churches that can't even get along with each other and join forces together since they all are aware of what Jesus said to be on one mind an d one belief etc. I still don't get what it is or will take for them to see the err of their ways and to stop blaming the Catholic church for what they are to lazy to try to understand.How the heck can well educated people not get the jest of it? Now I know what educated idiot means:)I am not that educated and I ask questions and try to go else where to find someone that I feel I can trust to teach me what they know and I find they are teaching me with love and patience remembering what I told them I do not understand every thing and the language is hard for me to grasp but I am b end on trying to find the way. Now I studied with the Baptist.Jehovah's,7day Adventist.Mormons,Southern baptists, Church of the Great God,Methodist,Pentecostal,Non denominational, Dispensational, This rapture.that Rapture,if none of them have been right and there are so many but yet the oldest church is the Catholic and Greek and Asian Orthodox how can any of the false prophets of this day and age ever be right when they are the ones who are wrong? They are not from days of old the Church of Jesus was already established before all the other messes came and sought out how to get into the act.
The catholic do preach anoter gospel to the one that the Bible teaches.
The Bible says we are saved and justified by Faith alone.
The catholics teach that if anyone says,
"We are saved/justifies by faith alone, Withought doing works",
Let that peson be amathema.
So, The question is, Are you going to belive the Bible, Or are you going to belive the catholic church??.
Christians believe that Jesus has done everything needed for our salvation.
catholics believe Jesus didn't compleat His work, That is why they do penance, Works of satifaction, Indulgencies and believe they have to go through purgatory to compleat the purification,what Christ failed to do.
So the questionis, Do you believe what Christains teach, Or do you believe what catholics teach??.
REMEMBER, The answear to the qyestion will determine wether you spend eternity in heaven with the Christians, Or in hell with the catholics, As they preach another gospel.
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Amen.
Jesus did not go to the Scribes and the Pharisees who were well educated, but to fishermen and tax collectors (tax collectors were educated, but were not focused on the pursuit of knowledge).
There is nothing wrong with intelligence or education, but sometimes the simplest things can get so very complicated in the minds of those who want to press another agenda.
The beauty of the Gospel is that is so simple that a child can understand it and so deep that even the most brilliant mind could never fully plumb its depths in a single lifetime.
And because of this, there have been many great saints of all times - from the most brilliant minds to the simplest. St. Bernadette of Lourdes was a great saint and role model and yet she struggled with her education. She was a woman of faith and that is preferable to an education without faith.
St. Therese of Lisieux was another great saint. She was humble and did not do the "great" things of some of the other saints, but instead devoted her time to the little things and made her whole life a beautiful prayer to God. In this she became as great as any other.
Brother Andre, now Saint Andre, was not even able to become a parish priest. Education was not his strong point. But what a great saint he was. Serving to the best of his ability without complaint, and upon him was bestowed the charism of healing like few have ever seen. Pentecostals would be green with envy if they but knew even a fraction of what Saint Andre had done. They would give anything to be able to do what he did on a regular basis. He was blessed with extraordinary faith and an extraordinary gift and he gave glory to God with all of his heart.
Faith means trusting in Christ. We have so many denominations and non-denoms because too many trusted in themselves.
It's amasing how a simple child can understand the gospel, But catholics can't.
I REST MY CASE.
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i understood as a child just fine. still do g4. why do you think i'm always laughing at you? ha ha. all the ex pentacostals i know who have converted say the same thing.. that the catholic church is no nearly as legalistic and unstable as the sects.
proof is in the pudding.
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i understood as a child just fine. still do g4. why do you think i'm always laughing at you? ha ha. all the ex pentacostals i know who have converted say the same thing.. that the catholic church is no nearly as legalistic and unstable as the sects.
proof is in the pudding.
There you go again, TELING LES.
You catholics are the biggest liars that I know.
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G4Me,
You've read this in Sacred Scripture. "Faith without works in dead."
Faith "alone" can not be the correct interpretation of Sacred Scripture.
Martin Luther wished for the text to be interpreted as "alone" in order to sooth his disorder - scrupulosity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrupulosity
Faith "alone" is a one man, man-made interpretation of Sacred Scripture.
To believe in faith "alone" requires a person to throw out the works of the Holy Spirit, the Beattitudes and the Apostolic Church which Jesus instituted.
Representatives of Christ, must believe in Him but must also be a worker in Christ's vineyard - Matthew 20 (workers in the Master's vineyard) or Matthew 25 (parable of the talents).
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There you go again, TELING LES.
You catholics are the biggest liars that I know.
Your attempts to defame us, add more flames around your soul.
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"Christians believe that Jesus has done everything needed for our salvation.
catholics believe Jesus didn't compleat His work, That is why they do penance, Works of satifaction, Indulgencies and believe they have to go through purgatory to compleat the purification,what Christ failed to do."
G4Me, you have been indoctrinated with error and prejudice against the Catholic Church.
Jesus completed His work on the cross. And then He said, "Pick up your cross and follow Me."
Catholic Christians work in cooperation with Christ and His Church for the redemption of our souls, for forgiveness of our sins and for Christ's eternal healing.
My sin nature is personal and my sins affect the soul that God gave to me. I am personally responsible for the condition of that gift upon my death. God gave me my soul and only Jesus call heal the damage I've gone and will do to it.
Edited by bwellmysoul on 05/23/2012 07:32:03
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Not everyone who says Lord! Lord! will enter into his kingdom, for they do not do the works of the Lord that he came here to have them do. Jesus had works and he accomplished his works which no man could do, but he gave his orders to his children (followers) to do while he was gone and that was to teach salvation not to tell everyone they were saved that is false salvation, he told them to preach his words and the (Our Father) and to Baptize ALL in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost etc. He said that if we loved the father we would keep his commandments he never said; we were not to. How do you keep the commandments without sin still? If we were all without sin G4 we would never have to keep those commandments a child could figure that out! Also if we were all saved why would we be told "Those who endure till the end will be saved?" Fight the good fight? Look after your OWN SALVATION with fear and trembling??? When he taught us how to pray he said in that prayer, forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us? Why would we need to say this prayer? cause God knew there would always be sin to be forgiven and so we PRAY,OH YES WE PRAY, WE GOT TO PRAY JUST TO MAKE IT TODAY!!!
baby3
Edited by baby3 on 05/23/2012 09:41:29
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No wonder your so angy G4,your sins are pilled up to the heavens because you don't believe in confession:(I will pray for you!
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That is why they do penance, Works of satifaction, Indulgencies and believe they have to go through purgatory to compleat the purification,what Christ failed to do.
G4Me,
Where in Sacred Scripture does it say that Christ Jesus can forgive sin which we refuse to acknowledge or confess?
Our minds' hide sin from us - and the corporate consequences of our sins.
Our minds' find excuses for our deformed wills. Our consciences are imperfect.
The Holy Spirit knows this about humanity.
Jesus takes on our sin and heals our wounded souls. He is the only Mediator who is capable to accept our sin and yet grant us absolution.
He mediates between us and His Father.
Our souls are a gift from God, but we individually personalize it. We, in fact, on a routine basis harm that gift with our unholiness.
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"Be Holy
13 Therefore, with minds that are alert and fully sober, set your hope on the grace to be brought to you when Jesus Christ is revealed at His coming. 14
As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. 15
But just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 16 for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”[a]
17 Since you call on a Father who judges each person’s work impartially, live out your time as foreigners here in reverent fear.
18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20
He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21 Through him you believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and glorified Him, and so your faith and hope are in God.
22 Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart.[b] 23
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 24
For,
“All people are like grass,
and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall,
25 but the word of the Lord endures forever.”[c]
And this is the word that was preached to you.
Edited by bwellmysoul on 05/23/2012 08:47:28
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G4Me,
You've read this in Sacred Scripture. "Faith without works in dead."
Faith "alone" can not be the correct interpretation of Sacred Scripture.
Martin Luther wished for the text to be interpreted as "alone" in order to sooth his disorder - scrupulosity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrupulosity
Faith "alone" is a one man, man-made interpretation of Sacred Scripture.
To believe in faith "alone" requires a person to throw out the works of the Holy Spirit, the Beattitudes and the Apostolic Church which Jesus instituted.
Representatives of Christ, must believe in Him but must also be a worker in Christ's vineyard - Matthew 20 (workers in the Master's vineyard) or Matthew 25 (parable of the talents).
You big hypocrite, You quote the Bible but you don't believe it.
Jame's, "Faith withought works", Isn't talking about salvation, If it was, That means you'll have to offer your son to be sacrificed.
Read Eph 2: 8--9, Titus 3: 5...AND STOP TELLING LIES.
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"Christians believe that Jesus has done everything needed for our salvation.
catholics believe Jesus didn't compleat His work, That is why they do penance, Works of satifaction, Indulgencies and believe they have to go through purgatory to compleat the purification,what Christ failed to do."
G4Me, you have been indoctrinated with error and prejudice against the Catholic Church.
Jesus completed His work on the cross. And then He said, "Pick up your cross and follow Me."
Catholic Christians work in cooperation with Christ and His Church for the redemption of our souls, for forgiveness of our sins and for Christ's eternal healing.
My sin nature is personal and my sins affect the soul that God gave to me. I am personally responsible for the condition of that gift upon my death. God gave me my soul and only Jesus call heal the damage I've gone and will do to it.
[1]I'm only quoting what the catholic council's says.
[2]You don't believe Jesus compleated His work on the cross..STOP TELLING LIES, If you did believe it, You wouldn't do penance, works of satisfation, indulgencies, And purgatory.
SO, STOP TELLING LIES.
[3]"Pick up your cross and follow Me", Has nothing to do with works for salvation...Stop twisting the truth.
[4]There is no such thing as a catholic Christian.
[5]See how you contradict yourself,..You said,
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"Jesus completed His work on the cross".
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Then you said,
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Catholic Christians work in cooperation with Christ and His Church for the redemption of our souls, for forgiveness of our sins and for Christ's eternal healing.
[End quote].
So one of the times you was telling lies, Why doesn't that suprise me??.
[6]I'm glad you admit you've got a "Sin nature", I have been saying you aren't saved for ages.
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Not everyone who says Lord! Lord! will enter into his kingdom, for they do not do the works of the Lord that he came here to have them do. Jesus had works and he accomplished his works which no man could do, but he gave his orders to his children (followers) to do while he was gone and that was to teach salvation not to tell everyone they were saved that is false salvation, he told them to preach his words and the (Our Father) and to Baptize ALL in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost etc. He said that if we loved the father we would keep his commandments he never said; we were not to. How do you keep the commandments without sin still? If we were all without sin G4 we would never have to keep those commandments a child could figure that out! Also if we were all saved why would we be told "Those who endure till the end will be saved?" Fight the good fight? Look after your OWN SALVATION with fear and trembling??? When he taught us how to pray he said in that prayer, forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us? Why would we need to say this prayer? cause God knew there would always be sin to be forgiven and so we PRAY,OH YES WE PRAY, WE GOT TO PRAY JUST TO MAKE IT TODAY!!!
If you was to read, Matt 10: 19--22. You'll se that Jesus was talking to those who would be saved.
V19-20, "Your Father will speak IN you".
You cannot have God the Father in you unless you are saved.
Eph 2: 8, says we ARE [ALREADY] saved.
But catholics aren't saved, Ask bwellmysoul, He admits he still has a sin nature.
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