The sign of the true Church

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God4me why are you trying to disconnect the Church in the bible with the Catholic Church?

The Catholic Church is the Church in the bible.

A sign of the true Church is that it was first. Everybody know Protestants came 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 67th, 890th, 1,200th, 34,000th etc, etc the whole point is that Protestantism came after the Catholic Church which was first & thus true.

The Catholic Church has history that goes back to the very first century. Protestants do not. Protestantism began with Martin Luther in the 16th century.

Protestantism even has to get the bible from the Catholic Church. No Protestant denomination can make the claim that it produced the bible. Not one. Not one.

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I take it you are joking??..AREN'T YOU??.
If you have read the new testament Church, You'll see that the catholic church has no resembalnce to it.

If the catholic church is the Biblical one, Who in you church gives the message in tongues, Who interprets them?, Who has the gifts of healings?. Who does the miracles?.
Who has the revelation gifts?.


You are getting protestants mixed up with Christians, The Christian Church was here from the day of pentecost.
The protestants came when the reformers protested against the
un-Biblical catholic church.

If the protestants came after the catholic, And the catholics weren't here for the first 300-600 years, Who were God's people
from the start??.
The answear is, The TRUE Christian Church.
We have always been here.
Matt 28: 20. Eph 3: 21.


My Bible was translated from the original Greek by King James and his Scholars.

SO, If the catholic church is the true Church, Please answear the questions in my first post.

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The Catholic Church does not have to prove itself to Protestants because it came first before Protestants. The first Church the Catholic Church is the true Church because it was first.

Protestants try to prove the Catholic Church away from being the first Church out of envy & pride.

Why are Protestants always telling the Catholic Church to read the new testament when it is the Catholic Church that wrote it & chose the books of the new testament?

NO Protestant denomination can even claim they wrote the new testament & chose the books that would belong in it NONE. Protestants did not even exist at that time.

Look God4me the bible is not a Protestant book because none of the Protestant denominations wrote it or chose any of the books in it.

God4me you mentioned King James. Protestants are always saying they follow no man but when it comes to King James it goes right of over Protestants heads that they are setting King James up on a infallible impeccable pedestal. Not only that Protestants threw out the 7 catholic books that were actually in the original King James bible.

God4me why are you not part of King James denomination?

My Church wrote the original Greek & monks from my Church handed them down from century to century all the way down to the time of King James a MAN Protestants next to worship. God4me where do you think King James got the Greek from?

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[1]You are getting protestants mixed up with Christians, The Christian Church was here from the day of pentecost.
The protestants came when the reformers protested against the
un-Biblical catholic church.

[1]How can the catholic church be the first church when
[A]There not God's Church.
[B]There not Christians.
[C]They weren't formed by the devil until at least 300-600 years later.

[2]Christian Groups did write the Bible, STOP TELLING LIES,
You catholic think you gave us the Bible, But your not the ony people that translated the Scriptures.
Only we didn't add unsriptural books the the original number of Bible books.

The protestants did throw the 7 unsriptural books out of the Bible, Because thet were WRONGLY added by the catholics.


[3]I don't set King James up on a infallible impeccable pedestal.
I like it because it is translated from the original texts.

Where eles do you thing he got it from??.

[4]You monks might have wrote your bible, Maybe thats why you get you false teachings from.

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God4me I asked you where do you think King James got the original Greek from?

King James had to get the original Greek from somewhere where do you think King James got the original Greek from?

You do know the original King James bibles had calendar pages in them of daily liturgical readings & that the books that Protestants removed were used for liturgical readings.

This means the King James bible had the books that Protestants later removed & they were used.

God4me you are setting King James up on a infallible impeccable pedestal when you use his interpretation of the bible. You are putting your faith into him when you put your faith into his interpretation.

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Stop trying to get away from answearing the questions,
Who has what gifts in your church??.

What gifts do you have?.

If you believe your the true Church, You'll have the gifts operating in every service.

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You answer my questions, Stop trying to get away from answearing the questions.

You know the Catholic Church has thousands of saints & the gifts that they had you just will not read them.

Now stop trying to get away from answearing the questions. God4me you are the one who brought up King James.

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Stop trying to get away from answearing the questions,
Who has what gifts in your church??.

What gifts do you have?.

Your supposed to be the true Church, So there must have been at least people speaking in tongues and worshiping in tongues.

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Do you even read my posts God4me?

I said "You know the Catholic Church has thousands of saints & the gifts that they had you just will not read them."

There are thousands of saints to choose from to read thousands.

Now answer my questions

God4me I asked you where do you think King James got the original Greek from?

King James had to get the original Greek from somewhere where do you think King James got the original Greek from?

God4me you brought up King James.

Was King James perfect?

God4me why do you not use a origional King James with all the books in it? Is there something wrong with the origional King James bible with all the books in it?

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Originally posted by God4me

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Originally posted by michael

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Originally posted by God4me

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Originally posted by michael

God4me why are you trying to disconnect the Church in the bible with the Catholic Church?

The Catholic Church is the Church in the bible.

A sign of the true Church is that it was first. Everybody know Protestants came 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 67th, 890th, 1,200th, 34,000th etc, etc the whole point is that Protestantism came after the Catholic Church which was first & thus true.

The Catholic Church has history that goes back to the very first century. Protestants do not. Protestantism began with Martin Luther in the 16th century.

Protestantism even has to get the bible from the Catholic Church. No Protestant denomination can make the claim that it produced the bible. Not one. Not one.

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I take it you are joking??..AREN'T YOU??.
If you have read the new testament Church, You'll see that the catholic church has no resembalnce to it.

If the catholic church is the Biblical one, Who in you church gives the message in tongues, Who interprets them?, Who has the gifts of healings?. Who does the miracles?.
Who has the revelation gifts?.


You are getting protestants mixed up with Christians, The Christian Church was here from the day of pentecost.
The protestants came when the reformers protested against the
un-Biblical catholic church.

If the protestants came after the catholic, And the catholics weren't here for the first 300-600 years, Who were God's people
from the start??.
The answear is, The TRUE Christian Church.
We have always been here.
Matt 28: 20. Eph 3: 21.


My Bible was translated from the original Greek by King James and his Scholars.

SO, If the catholic church is the true Church, Please answear the questions in my first post.

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The Catholic Church does not have to prove itself to Protestants because it came first before Protestants. The first Church the Catholic Church is the true Church because it was first.

Protestants try to prove the Catholic Church away from being the first Church out of envy & pride.

Why are Protestants always telling the Catholic Church to read the new testament when it is the Catholic Church that wrote it & chose the books of the new testament?

NO Protestant denomination can even claim they wrote the new testament & chose the books that would belong in it NONE. Protestants did not even exist at that time.

Look God4me the bible is not a Protestant book because none of the Protestant denominations wrote it or chose any of the books in it.

God4me you mentioned King James. Protestants are always saying they follow no man but when it comes to King James it goes right of over Protestants heads that they are setting King James up on a infallible impeccable pedestal. Not only that Protestants threw out the 7 catholic books that were actually in the original King James bible.

God4me why are you not part of King James denomination?

My Church wrote the original Greek & monks from my Church handed them down from century to century all the way down to the time of King James a MAN Protestants next to worship. God4me where do you think King James got the Greek from?

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[1]You are getting protestants mixed up with Christians, The Christian Church was here from the day of pentecost.
The protestants came when the reformers protested against the
un-Biblical catholic church.

[1]How can the catholic church be the first church when
[A]There not God's Church.
[B]There not Christians.
[C]They weren't formed by the devil until at least 300-600 years later.

[2]Christian Groups did write the Bible, STOP TELLING LIES,
You catholic think you gave us the Bible, But your not the ony people that translated the Scriptures.
Only we didn't add unsriptural books the the original number of Bible books.

The protestants did throw the 7 unsriptural books out of the Bible, Because thet were WRONGLY added by the catholics.


[3]I don't set King James up on a infallible impeccable pedestal.
I like it because it is translated from the original texts.

Where eles do you thing he got it from??.

[4]You monks might have wrote your bible, Maybe thats why you get you false teachings from.

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God4me I asked you where do you think King James got the original Greek from?

King James had to get the original Greek from somewhere where do you think King James got the original Greek from?

You do know the original King James bibles had calendar pages in them of daily liturgical readings & that the books that Protestants removed were used for liturgical readings.

This means the King James bible had the books that Protestants later removed & they were used.

God4me you are setting King James up on a infallible impeccable pedestal when you use his interpretation of the bible. You are putting your faith into him when you put your faith into his interpretation.

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Stop trying to get away from answearing the questions,
Who has what gifts in your church??.

What gifts do you have?.

If you believe your the true Church, You'll have the gifts operating in every service.

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You answer my questions, Stop trying to get away from answearing the questions.

You know the Catholic Church has thousands of saints & the gifts that they had you just will not read them.

Now stop trying to get away from answearing the questions. God4me you are the one who brought up King James.

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Stop trying to get away from answearing the questions,
Who has what gifts in your church??.

What gifts do you have?.

Your supposed to be the true Church, So there must have been at least people speaking in tongues and worshiping in tongues.

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Do you even read my posts God4me?

I said "You know the Catholic Church has thousands of saints & the gifts that they had you just will not read them."

There are thousands of saints to choose from to read thousands.

Now answer my questions

God4me I asked you where do you think King James got the original Greek from?

King James had to get the original Greek from somewhere where do you think King James got the original Greek from?

God4me you brought up King James.

Was King James perfect?

God4me why do you not use a origional King James with all the books in it? Is there something wrong with the origional King James bible with all the books in it?

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Originally posted by michael

God4me If you refuse the answers what is the point of asking the questions?

God4me Why will you not answer my questions?

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The signs of the true Church.
1 Cor 14: 26 says when you come together,[ Every Church meeting]
Everyone of you, Have a Psalm, a doctrine, a tongue, a revelation and an interpretation of tongues.
PLEASE NOTE.
This is for the whole congregation, not just Minister.

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Who in your church has the tongues, Who has the interpretation. Who has a revelation??.
Yet The Bible says these should be operating in a Church service.

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1Cor 12: 8-10.
There are three groups of gifts,
[1]The revelation group.
The Word of wisdom, [An insight into future events]

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The Word of knowledge, [Either knowledge of past of present an events]

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And the discerning of spirits. [Seeing into the spirit world, Either Angels of demons]

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These all reveal something

Who has the word of Wisdom, In your Church? Who has the Word of knowledge
In your church??, Who has the discerning of spirits??.

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[2]The Inspiration gifts.
Tongues, Interpretation of tongues and Prophecy.

These all say something.

Who give the tongues, Who interprets them, Who has the prophecies??
Paul said we can all prophecy, 1 Cor 14: 31.

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[3]The Power gifts.
Special faith, Gifts of healings and the working of miracles.

Who has the gift of faith, Who has the gifts of healings?? Who has the working of miracles??.

These all do something.

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Mk 16: 17--18.
Even if not everyone has these gifts, There should be someone in your congregation who does these things on a regular basis., Not just the Minister.

Rom 15: 19.
Paul preached the full gospel with mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God.

Who does the mighty signs in your church.??.

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By being Spirit filled.. You will
Speaks in tongues, Acts 2; 4.

Do miracles, Act 4; 31--33..

Give wisdom, Eph 5:: 17--18.


So the TRUE Church has the power and the gifts of the Spirit operating in them.

Does the sound like the catholic church??.


Remember, I have seen catholic church services, And there hasn’t beem a single gift of the Spirit operating in them.

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Originally posted by God4me

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Originally posted by michael

God4me If you refuse the answers what is the point of asking the questions?

God4me Why will you not answer my questions?

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Why don't you answear my question??.
Why doesn't any of you catholics answear the question??.

The answear is, Because your not the true Church..FACT.

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Originally posted by God4me

The signs of the true Church.
1 Cor 14: 26 says when you come together,[ Every Church meeting]
Everyone of you, Have a Psalm, a doctrine, a tongue, a revelation and an interpretation of tongues.
PLEASE NOTE.
This is for the whole congregation, not just Minister.

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this would be a great one for pentacostals to adhere to.. after all they are the ones talking about tongues.. but i rarely every heard interpretations. rarely ever heard psalms, very little on the doctrinal side and all they have is a minister controlling everything..

at the catholic mass we do speak in tongues.. kyrie eleison, we do have psalms lot's of doctrine and interpretation as well. what pentacostals lack in the pentacostal experience catholics make up.. after all pentacost is more than just mindless babble. it is the descent of the holy spirit to guide the church.. this has been going on from the churches start at pentecost... and has nothing to do with some cheezy sect that started in 1900

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Who in your church has the tongues, Who has the interpretation. Who has a revelation??.
Yet The Bible says these should be operating in a Church service.

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ever hear of the mystics? charismatic catholics? my uncle spoke several languages... i know some latin... your ignorance of history only leaves you looking like the ignoramus you are g4.

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1Cor 12: 8-10.
There are three groups of gifts,
[1]The revelation group.
The Word of wisdom, [An insight into future events]

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i've seen prophets in pentecostal churches.. but their claims never were fulfilled. strange that only a few people like me ever took note of this.. so many others just ignored it.

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The Word of knowledge, [Either knowledge of past of present an events]

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g4 you cannot even get past events correct.. sorry but not buyin this one either.

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And the discerning of spirits. [Seeing into the spirit world, Either Angels of demons]

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ie... if i like it is't a goody if i don't it's a baddy..

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These all reveal something

Who has the word of Wisdom, In your Church? Who has the Word of knowledge
In your church??, Who has the discerning of spirits??.

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2000 years of it bro. ever hear of the mystics? the saints? church doctors? you assume that such things are not there but that's because your ignorant.

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[2]The Inspiration gifts.
Tongues, Interpretation of tongues and Prophecy.

These all say something.

Who give the tongues, Who interprets them, Who has the prophecies??
Paul said we can all prophecy, 1 Cor 14: 31.

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then prophecy g4. if your right then i'll know. tell me something that only god could know and if it's correct then i'll tell you so. the problem is you confuse prophecy with fortune telling...

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[3]The Power gifts.
Special faith, Gifts of healings and the working of miracles.

Who has the gift of faith, Who has the gifts of healings?? Who has the working of miracles??.

These all do something.

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again been there the whole time.. but you don't believe. you write off all these things that catholic have been doing for 2000 years because they come from catholics... it's a no win situation.. but not that we care what you say anyway.

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Mk 16: 17--18.
Even if not everyone has these gifts, There should be someone in your congregation who does these things on a regular basis., Not just the Minister.

Rom 15: 19.
Paul preached the full gospel with mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God.

Who does the mighty signs in your church.??.

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jesus.

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By being Spirit filled.. You will
Speaks in tongues, Acts 2; 4.

Do miracles, Act 4; 31--33..

Give wisdom, Eph 5:: 17--18.


So the TRUE Church has the power and the gifts of the Spirit operating in them.

Does the sound like the catholic church??.


Remember, I have seen catholic church services, And there hasn’t beem a single gift of the Spirit operating in them.

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yep.. sounds like it to me.. remember also that i was at pentacostal meetings and have seen the healed, get sick again, the tongues not get interpretted, the prophecies turn out false and people not get healed.

now that i helped talke that plank out of your eye try not to stick it back in there g4

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Originally posted by michael

God4me If you refuse the answers what is the point of asking the questions?

God4me Why will you not answer my questions?

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Why don't you answear my question??.
Why doesn't any of you catholics answear the question??.

The answear is, Because your not the true Church..FACT.

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Why were those 7 books in the King James bible IF they were added?

Why were those books put into the King James bible?

It is well documented that Protestants removed those books go & buy a early King James bible & SEE for yourself. Who are you trying to fool?

It was Protestants who removed them in the mid 1800s

I have a friend with a early 1800s King James bible & it has those 7 books in it.

Love the greatest gift of all. We Catholics are taught to do works of love.

1 cor 13
[1] If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
[2] And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
[3] If I give away all I have, and if I deliver my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.
[4] Love is patient and kind; love is not jealous or boastful;
[5] it is not arrogant or rude. Love does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;
[6] it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices in the right.
[7] Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Love never ends; as for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.
[9] For our knowledge is imperfect and our prophecy is imperfect;
[10] but when the perfect comes, the imperfect will pass away.
[11] When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became a man, I gave up childish ways.
[12] For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall understand fully, even as I have been fully understood.
[13] So faith, hope, love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

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Stop avoiding the question YOU NAUGHTY MAN.
What gifts do you have in your church servises??

how many speak in tongues, How many sing worship in tongues??
Who has the word of wisdom, Who has the word of Knowledge?
And so--on??.
What gifts do you have?.

ANSWEARS PLEASE, and stop getting of subject.

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In what follows, we shall, by the grace of God, present the Orthodox perspective concerning “speaking in tongues” and “signs and wonders.”

How important are Signs & Wonders?

· St. Paul listed the fruit of the Holy Spirit in his Epistle to the Galatians, he said, “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control” (Gal 5:22,23).

These virtues are more important for our salvation than signs and wonders because many have performed signs and wonders and yet lost their eternal life as our Lord said, “Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you;depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’” (Mt 7:22,23)

· When the disciples rejoiced that they were performing miracles and that the demons are subject to them, our Lord said to them, “do not rejoice in this … but rather rejoice because your names are
written in heaven” (Lk 10:20)

· Moreover, pride may be associated with signs and wonders; therefore, St. Paul was given a physical infirmity lest he should be exalted by the abundance of the revelations (2 Cor 12:7)

· St. Paul said, “The coming of the lawless one [the antichrist] is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders …” (2 Thess 2:9) thus those who are seeking signs are more
vulnerable to be deceived.

Speaking in Tongues in The Orthodox Perspective:

· Speaking in tongues (Gr. Glossologia) is a gift of the Holy Spirit by which the ability to speak a foreign language without having to be taught it or knowing it beforehand is granted to the person.

This is clear from the Holy Scripture (Acts 2:1-13) in which the events of Pentecost are described, and at which time this divine gift first appeared.

· The speaking of foreign languages, by the grace of the Holy Spirit, manifested itself, as a miracle, for the first time in history on the Day of Pentecost; with this divine gift the apostles began to preach in other languages (15 foreign languages) to the visitors who came to attend the feast at Jerusalem.

· The apostles were simple men of Galilee and it was impossible for them to know another language except the Aramaic they had learned at home yet the Jews of other nations, who had as their mother tongue the language of the nation in which they lived, understood everything from the divine preaching of the apostles who spoke to them with precision in their own language without needing a translator, and it is in exactly this that the miracle rests.

+ Ironically, some of these Pentecostal groups who claim that the gifts of the Spirit flow through them do not even believe in
The Holy Trinity and consequently are not worthy to be called Christians!
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· Among the listeners of the preaching there were also some that did not understand anything that the apostles said and subsequently mocked them thinking that they were drunk (Acts 2:13).

This group can be none other than the residents of Jerusalem who did not know other languages except Aramaic.

For these men the preaching of the Apostles was completely unintelligible as it was prophesied, “with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people.” (Is 28:11)

· Thus, the residents of Jerusalem did not understand anything from the preaching, unless someone translated it for them. For just as there is the gift of speaking in tongues (foreign languages), there
also exists the gift of translation.

This was given when those listening were only locals ignorant of other languages, as was, for instance, the case in Corinth for St. Paul said, “if anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret. But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church …” (1 Cor 14:27,28)

· The gift of translation was itself also miraculous, just as was that of speaking in foreign languages, on which it was directly dependent as St. Paul said, “unless you utter by the tongue words easy to understand, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air.

There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them is without significance. Therefore, if I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be a foreigner to him who speaks,
and he who speaks will be a foreigner to me … therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret.” (1 Cor 14:9)

· The gift of speaking in foreign languages played a decisive role in evangelism and was manifested among unbelievers as a sign of the power of God as St. Paul said, “tongues are for a sign, not to those
who believe but to unbelievers” (1 Cor 14:22) for what meaning does it have for someone to speak about the Lord in a foreign language to someone who was taught, believed and lived his Christian faith from his childhood?

· The purpose of this gift was for the apostles to be able to spread, through preaching in foreign languages, the Christian faith to all people and to make the Holy Gospel known throughout the world.
Thus, God did not give the gift of speaking in foreign tongues for all time, until the end of the world but rather for a special period of time with the aim of making it easier for unbelievers to convert to
Christianity and thus St. Paul prophesied that this gift would cease (1 Cor 13:8).

· In addition to being given for a certain period of time in the Church, the gift of speaking foreign tongues is not a common gift for all Christians as St. Paul wonders, “Are all apostles? Are all
prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?” (1 Cor 12:29,30)

· The gift of speaking foreign tongues is not the greatest among the gifts of God. St. Paul says that there are other greater gifts of the Holy Spirit than that of speaking in tongues, “I wish that you all
spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification” (1 Cor
14:5) and elsewhere he also says, “if the whole church comes together in one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those who are uninformed or unbelievers, will they not say that you
are out of your mind?” (1 Cor 14:23)

· Consequently, the gifts of prophecy, preaching and interpretation of Holy Scripture are much higher than the gift of speaking in foreign tongues, for with these the believers are built up and benefit much more than with the gift of linguistics or speaking different languages.

Moreover, St. Paul said, “though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not lo ve, I have become a sounding brass or a clanging cymbal” (1 Cor 13:1).
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· The gift of speaking in foreign languages is not associated with a state of ecstasy in which the person may speak inarticulate and incomprehensible human sounds and experience certain movements of the
body such as shaking and falling on the ground, which in fact defeats the very purpose of the gift that is to communicate the Christian faith to foreign unbelievers.

In a Nutshell:

1. The true gift of speaking in tongues is when someone speaks a language that is understood by those who hear him as mentioned in (Acts 2:1-13).

2. When someone speaks a language among people who do not understand it, then another gift, the gift of translation of this language into the language of the people, is necessary. Without this translation,
the foreign language is considered babbling.

3. This gift was not given for the Church forever, but only in the beginning of Christianity in order to awaken the pagans and Jews to believe the Holy Gospel.

Thus, St. Paul said that this gift would cease to exist (1 Cor 13:8)

7. Not all Christians are required to receive this gift (1 Cor 12:29,30) and consequently it is not a sign of salvation as the Pentecostals claim.

8. This gift is intended as a sign for unbelievers (1 Cor 14:22) therefore, we as believers no longer have need of this gift.

9. From the beginning of Christianity this gift was considered among the lesser gifts in the Church, while the others, such as that of prophecy, interpretation of Holy Scriptures, love and the rest, were
much greater.

10. It is totally out of the question for speaking in tongues, as a gift of the Holy Spirit, to mean a delirium in a non-existent and incomprehensible language for this comes into clear contradiction with the Holy Book of Acts and brings to memory the convulsive ways of idol worshiper.

* This lecture is adapted from “Comparative Theology” by H.H. Pope Shenouda III

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Originally posted by God4me
Stop avoiding the question YOU NAUGHTY MAN.
What gifts do you have in your church servises??

how many speak in tongues, How many sing worship in tongues??
Who has the word of wisdom, Who has the word of Knowledge?
And so--on??.
What gifts do you have?.

ANSWEARS PLEASE, and stop getting of subject.

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Are you unaware of the priority that the incoherent speaking of tongues held in the gifts of the Holy Spirit?


Information which will correct your misunderstanding; from the ancient Coptic Church (since you believe that all Catholics lie.)


http://www.suscopts.org/messages/lectures/pneumlecture4.pdf

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Originally posted by God4me

That link is typical of the catholics.
[1]It twists the scriptures.
[2]It's typical of false religion who have more faith in the devil then they do in God.
[3]It ony gives one operation of tongues, Where the Bible teaches at least eight operations of tongues.

WHAT WAS YOU SAYING ABOUT A CORRECT MY MISUNDERSTANDING??

How can my accepting the scriptures, Believing God and knowing about tongues, Be, "Misunderstanigs"??.

STOP TELLING LIES.

Answear the question, Who has what gifts in your church and what gifts do you have??.

You catholics claim to be the true Church, Yet not one of you has the gifts operating in your churches.

SO, Who gave the message in tongues, And who gave the interpretaion??
Who gave a prophecy??.
Who had a word of wisdom??
Who had the word of knowledge??.

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul

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Originally posted by God4me

That link is typical of the catholics.
[1]It twists the scriptures.
[2]It's typical of false religion who have more faith in the devil then they do in God.
[3]It ony gives one operation of tongues, Where the Bible teaches at least eight operations of tongues.

WHAT WAS YOU SAYING ABOUT A CORRECT MY MISUNDERSTANDING??

How can my accepting the scriptures, Believing God and knowing about tongues, Be, "Misunderstanigs"??.

STOP TELLING LIES.

Answear the question, Who has what gifts in your church and what gifts do you have??.

You catholics claim to be the true Church, Yet not one of you has the gifts operating in your churches.

SO, Who gave the message in tongues, And who gave the interpretaion??
Who gave a prophecy??.
Who had a word of wisdom??
Who had the word of knowledge??.

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The link is to the ancient Orthodox Coptic Church.

Interesting that you should immediately identify them as Catholic.

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Originally posted by God4me
It might have been an ancient orthodox coptic Church, But it wasn't a Christians Church.
That why I linked it to the catholics.

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