What is the Novus Ordo ? I am confussed?

Posted on 05/30/2012 at 08:54:38  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

Gee I get the Catholic church mixed up on some sites as they have the same pictures and not the same beliefs?? Why are there devisions? Why did a lady tell someone to go to the Eastern church?
Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgy of Basil? What are the differences of these churches?

Edited by baby3 on 06/01/2012 17:15:04

Posted on 05/30/2012 at 10:42:28  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

"novus Ordo Missae" — "novus" being the Latin for "new".

"The new Order of the Mass" by Pope Paul VI.

I'm just barely old enough to remember when Mass was said in Latin. (Rather like watching a Mass from Rome today, said in Latin by the Pope).

Roman rite Catholic Masses are said according to an order, with particular wording that is also said by all Churches. The Roman Missal recently had a few wording changes beginning in November of 2011.


However I think your question concerns the Eastern Catholic Churches.

They have the same beliefs but their worship services follow a separate rite.

The rites include:

Western Rite - Roman

Eastern Rite - Armenian · Alexandrian · Byzantine · Antiochian · West Syrian · East Syrian

Some parishes of Anglicans - who are coming into full communion with the Catholic Church - will be allowed the inclusion of their historic rites.

Wiki does a good job of explaning the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church

Edited by bwellmysoul on 05/30/2012 10:56:23

Posted on 05/30/2012 at 10:53:55  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

There are several "Rites" within the Catholic Church.

The largest is the Latin Rite, which is the most most often attributed to Catholics. What makes it the Latin Rite is that the official prayers of the Mass and documents are first written in Latin.

The current Latin Rite Mass is called the Novus Ordo Missae (or New Order of the Mass). It was initially deployed, as bwellmysoul mentions, in the late 60s/early 70s by Paul VI. The official Mass is still in Latin, but permission was granted for local translations. This is when the Mass changed from the Traditional Latin Mass to Mass in English. Along with that, the Priest moved from facing away from the Congregation to facing toward it, and some other changes in posture.

But there are also other Rites, most often associated with the Eastern Catholic Churches. These Rites have Masses originally from other languages than Latin, with different prayers that reflect local traditions. But, unlike Eastern Orthodox Churches, the Eastern Catholic Churches are still in union with the Pope.

According to Wikipedia, "The Catholic patriarchs and major archbishops [of Eastern Catholic Churches] derive their titles from the sees of Alexandria (Copts), Antioch (Syrians, Melkites, Maronites), Babylonia (Chaldaeans), Cilicia (Armenians), Kiev-Halych (Ukrainians), Ernakulam-Angamaly (Syro-Malabars), Trivandrum (Syro-Malankaras), and Fagaras-Alba Iulia (Romanians). The Eastern Churches are governed under the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches."

So, on that post, it might have been someone Catholic who really likes the liturgies of the Eastern Orthodox, and someone recommended they look at an Eastern Catholic Church as a way to remain in communion with the Holy See but experience a style of worship they like.

The catchphrase here is "unity in diversity."

But you have to be cautious that one isn't inadvertently attending a small sect that really isn't Catholic but calls itself so.

Posted on 05/30/2012 at 14:14:44  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

baby3, I know it can get confusing. Most of the Catholic parishes in the United States conduct Masses that are Novus Ordo. Only a very few in the U.S. (relatively speaking) offer Masses following a different missal.

Edited by Diana Holberg on 05/30/2012 14:15:12

Posted on 05/31/2012 at 19:30:20  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

What do you know about the Babylonia (Chaldaeans)? Who are they and where are they? When did they become Catholics? I ask this for a reason.This is not a bad thing as you explained because every rite means their own rite to their country traditions, am I right? They are all Catholic and are with the Pope but they just do their masses according to their language and styles?This is not as confusing now as I do understand how this could be.When I was at the site they looked very nice and different crowns and clothing etc. I liked the Coptic ones they were allot like the church of Rome and their picture's art, are allot alike.I did get very confused when I saw these people from a different place doing almost the same as the Catholic church.I love the music it is ancient I love the Gothic and knights music it has historical values:)

Posted on 05/31/2012 at 19:35:06  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

OH! I just remembered something, I have a friend that goes to a site from New York and she got put off a forum for this because they are from the old church and laws of the Catholic church?A different kind of church and laws they are very strict and I don't care for them.I even called them to see if they were for real and a lady answered and said they did exist and they were the real church and the one now is a fake one. This was a few years ago have you ever herd of them? I think they believe in saint Veronica and they speak of the end times and revelations etc.?They go way over board in their thinking and it is scary.

Posted on 06/01/2012 at 07:22:29  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

Baby,

It sounds as if your friend may have been talking either about the Old Catholic Church or the Orthodox Old Catholic Church.

Both are schismatic and neither are in Communion with Rome - which makes their Sacraments invalid. (No matter what they websites write).

The website for the schismatic denomination "Roman Catholic Women Priests" also falsely assert that their sacraments are valid, and they are not.

This is from Wiki:

quote:

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The Old Catholic Churches in Germany, Switzerland, Austria and the Netherlands view homosexuality as moral, permit gay and lesbian priests, and bless gay couples.

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These American based "catholic church" organizations are very misleading.

They are neither in communion with Roman Catholicism nor are they part of the Orthodox community.

Posted on 06/01/2012 at 11:23:21  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

Many like to retain "Catholic" as a label even when they are not part of the mother Church. They also want the connection to the Apostles and historic succession; however, they lost that right when the split from the origianl Church.


1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Jesus is the Head of the Catholic Church and the Holy Spirit guides her. And those that would seek to teach error are swept out of her like dust from the floor. If they had been of the Catholic Church, they would have remained with her.

Posted on 06/01/2012 at 11:27:21  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

I do like the different rites. They all believe as we do and are loyal to the Pope, but they bring a rich heritage to the Church.

The Mass is said even in Aramaic today, and Greek (though I expect the language is modernized), and Latin, as well as many more. And we can participate in those rich services when we travel, not as foreigners but as fellow members of the same family.

Posted on 06/01/2012 at 17:26:53  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

That's really nice to be able to go to different cultures and be a member of their church even though you don't live there:) And in different languages yet all one.So they were Catholic why did they leave or separate? They claim they are the real church that is why she goes to their site and I believe there is only one site they have.They seem military and they are always saying that Mother Mary said this and that every time you go there. I thought it was strange they still hear from Mary and you don't?I told her it was a phony site just by that miracle stuff all the time and they think they are in constant contact with the spirit world and Mary they are strange. B3

Posted on 06/01/2012 at 18:25:10  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

Mary can visit anyone Our Lord permits. She has been seen by atheists, muslims and Christians. BUT, not all Marian apparitions are authentic. The Bible says to test all spirits and with good reason. The Catholic Church is very strict on this, and has proven far more false than true.

The way to tell is by what she is teaching and if the miracle stands up to scrutiny. If she is promoting something that is contrary to the Faith, then the vision is false or even fake. And God's miracles can not be debunked.

Mother Mary would never approve of an actively gay clergy, so anyone trying to make like she said this was good, is lying.

If they are in contact with the spirit world, tell your friend to run from them. No good can come of that. True Marian apparitions are not at our command. No one can just conjure her up.

They left the Church because they did not want to listen to sound doctrine. They wanted to do things their own way. But Jesus is the ONLY way. Separating and otherwise causing division is not of God.

Posted on 06/01/2012 at 20:00:00  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

The time I was there they said Mary told them to ask all people visiting to buy a rosary bead I laughed at that and told her what they said she still thinks they are the old church and the right one that the church should not have changed all that they did,when they did this they left the faith and became another church not of the right learning's.

Posted on 06/01/2012 at 20:43:22  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

The Rosary is a magnificent devotion, but Mary would never ask anyone to buy them.

She has asked that we pray the Rosary. She has often asked that we return to Christ. But never has she asked for money, or asked anyone to buy anything.

Posted on 06/01/2012 at 20:56:40  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

We don't even need an actual rosary to pray it. A simple peice of kitchen twine with ten knots tied into it will do.

In a pinch, our ten fingers will work.

A precursor to the Rosary was to carry pebbles in one pocket and transfer them one by one to the other to keep count.

Some people just don't like change.

After Vatican II, there were a lot of individuals who added their own interpretations to the Vatican II documents and did introduce a lot of novel ideas that were not very good. BUT, the Church has been correcting all the little innovations that should not have been introduced - none of those novelties were approved by the Church.

But there was also a lot of good. Allowing the vernacular was a good thing. Latin is a beautiful tradition in our Church, but it was put in place because it was the vernacular of the time.

Vatican II was not a bad council. It was a valid council with a great deal to offer the Body of Christ.

Posted on 06/02/2012 at 13:41:07  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

There is a song I sing in Latin but I can't find it anywhere the way I learned it as a child,I have sung it in the meeting of the Daughters of Isabella's and to a very old lady there and she never herd it the way I was singing it; I wish I could get that song and do more verses.Is there a place I could go to for song in Latin of the fifties and sixties form the church?