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Faith: claim that she is still a sinner saved by grace is the nost dogmatic satanic falsh claim ever believed!We were a sinner and we are the righteousness saved by grace and a son or daughter saved by grace with faith is the right biblical and christian ührace or more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Please someone here ask your preist , nun, catholic teacher, pope, a monk, a catholic brother, or a catholic bishop if they are a sinner still like you are ok???
please let me know what they said just for GP OK?Please, Please do God and me that favor ASAP!
I have shown a Catholic didicated catholic friend what been said here as still being a sinner and they are more shocked than me!
he don't even believe this is a christian or catholic board with live real catholics.
He think you guy are just pulling my leg just for fun!
i know you all are seriously wrong and I know you all are good people and mean well but are confused by religion and decieved from the carnal mind and sin conscious of guilt and shame and that is one reason I see you calling yourself still a sinner!
but that is not any biblcal or christian gospel whatsoever!
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The Catholic Church does not preach Protestant doctrine.
no priest or bishop is going to say they are not a sinner.
You are trying to mix your false teaching & understanding with Catholic teaching. Looking at the Catholic Church through your false Protestant beliefs completely distorts your understanding of the Catholic Church when it does not fit your false Protestant understanding.
You are BASING everything from the foundation of a false Protestant belief.
What you teach evangelist goes directly against what Jesus taught.
To say you are not a sinner is prideful.
The only reason you believe what you do is just to be opposed to what you perceive the Catholic Church to be.
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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No, saying that you are hermetically "sealed" from sin, as a Christian, is off the wall.
And your theory that only one sin is mortal - and it alone can make a soul unrighteous.
Joh:16:8: And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh:16:9: Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Joh:16:8: And when he is come, he will reprove1651 the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
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1) to convict, refute, confute
a) generally with a suggestion of shame of the person convicted
b) by conviction to bring to the light, to expose
2) to find fault with, correct
a) by word
1) to reprehend severely, chide, admonish, reprove
2) to call to account, show one his fault, demand an explanation
b) by deed
1) to chasten, to punish
other examples in scripture verses
John 8:46
Which of you convinceth1651 me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
Eph 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove1651 [them].
James 2:8-9
If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself,"* you do well;
but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted1651 by the law as transgressors
Joh:16:9: Of sin, because they believe not on me;
John 16:9 means this
The world thought Jesus to be guilty & itself guiltless; the world thought justice was on its side; the world thought it had no condemnation to incur. The Spirit will show all these suppositions to be false. In the first place, the Spirit will give clear evidence that Jesus was the Messiah, & in doing so will lay their sin at the door of the Jews as being a sin of unbelief, a sin against light.
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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because they believe not on me
Please just stop.
You don't believe either in the Eucharist or in the Sacrament of Reconciliation, nor in His Church, and I half question whether or not you believe the Bible is inerrant.
I know alot of sinner who believe the sky is green and the grass is blue but that make them right?
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I would also point out that anyone can be a pastor outside the Catholic Church. I have a Protestant uncle who annointed himself a pastor to two different denominations - he founded both of them, but found his first attempt too strict for his own abilities.
I have been offered opportunities to become a pastor myself, just take a quick course and get a certificate. I have seen certificates to become a Protestant minister in the backs of comic books.
I have seen 11 year old preachers shepherding their ever changing flock as they moved from town to town with their families.
Being a pastor should require certain standards, but outside the Catholic Church those standards vary very widely.
Telling anyone here that G4 is the pastor of his own church is not any more impressive than telling me that your neighbour's very smart dog is the pastor of his own church.
We shall know them by their fruits. These fruits are not the miracles - real or perceived. The fruits are described in the Bible.
Galatians 5:22-23 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Is a confession of your faith as being a sinner a fruit FAITH??
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evangelist if Protestants believe the bible is the sole role of faith why do you send us off to some link to a man?
Why do you want us to go through some man to get to God?
Why are you listening to some man creflo dollar rather than follow the bible alone yourself?
Romans 10
[13] For, "every one who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved."
[14] But how are men to call upon him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without a preacher?
[15] And how can men preach unless they are sent ?
Who actually sent this man creflo dollar that you follow?
The Catholic Church has Apostolic succession.
Why do you listen to a man called who is your infallible pope and is still a sinner like you??
At least Creflo will never say he is a sinner and never did make light of the blood of Jesus and the cross after he got saved and born again !
So even if he did he would at least REPENT and say he was a sinner but now a saint and a beloved son of God like other born again Christians who are saved, and accepted Christ as thier Saviour!
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The Catholic Church does not do what Protestants do. The Catholic Church has Apostolic succession & the Pope has to follow the Catholic Church teachings also.
The Pope is not like Protestant men who made their own Protestant denominations & beliefs. There is a difference between something being passed on & something being made up by some Protestant man.
So you admit you do follow a man Creflo? Where does the bible say to follow Creflo?
Nope! so is your pope still a sinner like you and all your priest still a sinner??
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If you do not follow Creflo why are you giving us a link to him?
So you can please listen and watch the first 32 second of his program!
http://mediasuite.multicastmedia.com/playerJS.php?v=n3wa186u
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I follow the bible not any man exspecially Creflo Dollar who has a mansion rolls royce & private jet from what you say.
It is plain as day he is a fraud & you follow him, pushing him, (a man) on us.
My issue is not with Creflo Dollar it is you guys saying you follow satan as being a sinner!
Creflo Dollar has nothing to beat that confession you are believing!
I am dead serious about this, and it is no game !
Protestants treat the bible like a game
Of course your issue is not with Creflo Dollar because you follow the man.
We do not follow satan as you say that is your false understanding.
Just because people do not follow you & your interpretation of the bible does not mean that they follow satan.
I do not care if YOU are dead serious because I do not follow YOU.
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death and life is in your tongue and you are agreeing with death! 
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According to who YOU & your group.
evangelist you & your group have NO authority.
Just because a person does not agree with YOU & your group does not mean they are agreeing with death do you understand that?
I love all sinners but I don't want to be one niether am I yoke with a sinner the bible warns against thier spirits of error they have, so why join them like you?
repent and stop promoting you are a sinner!
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Please someone here ask your preist , nun, catholic teacher, pope, a monk, a catholic brother, or a catholic bishop if they are a sinner still like you are ok???
please let me know what they said just for GP OK?Please, Please do God and me that favor ASAP!
I have shown a Catholic didicated catholic friend what been said here as still being a sinner and they are more shocked than me!
he don't even believe this is a christian or catholic board with live real catholics.
He think you guy are just pulling my leg just for fun!
i know you all are seriously wrong and I know you all are good people and mean well but are confused by religion and decieved from the carnal mind and sin conscious of guilt and shame and that is one reason I see you calling yourself still a sinner!
but that is not any biblcal or christian gospel whatsoever!
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The Catholic Church does not preach Protestant doctrine.
no priest or bishop is going to say they are not a sinner.
You are trying to mix your false teaching & understanding with Catholic teaching. Looking at the Catholic Church through your false Protestant beliefs completely distorts your understanding of the Catholic Church when it does not fit your false Protestant understanding.
You are BASING everything from the foundation of a false Protestant belief.
What you teach evangelist goes directly against what Jesus taught.
To say you are not a sinner is prideful.
The only reason you believe what you do is just to be opposed to what you perceive the Catholic Church to be.
Have you heard of a so called christian trying to be a prideful sinner?
Even a muslim would be shock at what you are trying to be, shame on you!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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No, saying that you are hermetically "sealed" from sin, as a Christian, is off the wall.
And your theory that only one sin is mortal - and it alone can make a soul unrighteous.
Joh:16:8: And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh:16:9: Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Joh:16:8: And when he is come, he will reprove1651 the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
1651
1) to convict, refute, confute
a) generally with a suggestion of shame of the person convicted
b) by conviction to bring to the light, to expose
2) to find fault with, correct
a) by word
1) to reprehend severely, chide, admonish, reprove
2) to call to account, show one his fault, demand an explanation
b) by deed
1) to chasten, to punish
other examples in scripture verses
John 8:46
Which of you convinceth1651 me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
Eph 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove1651 [them].
James 2:8-9
If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself,"* you do well;
but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted1651 by the law as transgressors
Joh:16:9: Of sin, because they believe not on me;
John 16:9 means this
The world thought Jesus to be guilty & itself guiltless; the world thought justice was on its side; the world thought it had no condemnation to incur. The Spirit will show all these suppositions to be false. In the first place, the Spirit will give clear evidence that Jesus was the Messiah, & in doing so will lay their sin at the door of the Jews as being a sin of unbelief, a sin against light.
Eph 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove1651 [them].
This is why I am trying to reprove you to get saved and born again and stop being a sinner, and a criminal is a title for someone who does on going criminal acts with all thier heart, and criminal are sinners.
Again if a person say they are a prisoner in a jail cell, but still are free in the streets,and tell you they are a prisoner in jail what would you think?
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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No. You are trying to reprove us from repenting.
You do not have the right to call any of us a sinner unless you actually see us committing a sin.
If I admit to sinning to Christ in a prayer to Him, even I share that prayer with you, that is betweeen Jesus and me. Not you.
Confessing a sin, is NOT a sin. Refusing to confess or repent of our sins IS sinful.
Sinner is only a title for the unrepentant sinner. For those of us who admit to being a sinner to God for forgiveness is not deserving of a label or title for others to use against us. The moment I confess and repent of my sins, those sins are forgiven. In fact, even venial sins are forgiven every time I go to Church (there are prayers for this at the beginning of the Mass) - all in accordance with the scriptures.
Save your reprovals for actual sins. That is what Ephesians is talking about.
If you see someone committing adultery, do not have fellowship with them. THAT is an unfruitful work of darkness. REPROVE THEM.
If you see someone stealing a service or copywrited material, do not have fellowship with them. THAT is an unfruitful work of darkness. REPROVE THEM.
If you see anyone bearing false witness against their neighbour (and neighbour includes EVERYONE, including unbelievers), do not have fellowship with them. THAT is an unfruitful work of darkness. REPROVE THEM.
Why do you keep reproving people for doing what the Bible says. You should be reproving people for what the Bible says NOT to do.
Pax et Bonum,
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I have shown a Catholic didicated catholic friend what been said here as still being a sinner and they are more shocked than me!
he don't even believe this is a christian or catholic board with live real catholics.
I would be very interested in hearing from this Catholic friend of yours. I'm curious as to how you have twisted what we say to him/her. If you do have a Catholic friend who claims he is without sin or without the need to repent, he is in grave error and is just as gullible as you are.
Nobody is pulling your leg here. Sometimes I wonder if it is you who is pulling legs, because some of your claims are so ridiculous. You think we are the ones who are wrong, but you are the one who preaches some kind of erroneous crypto-Manichean theology.
"Be good, keep your feet dry, your eyes open, your heart at peace and your soul in the joy of Christ." - Thomas Merton
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...rather than say you are a dirty rotten, unclean, demonic, satanic evil, no good sinner like FAITH is cofessing!
I said I was a sinner.
I did not say that I was dirty, rotten, unclean, demonic, satanic, evil, no good sinner.
You have the oddest interpretation of the Sacrament of Reconciliation. It is a Sacrament of God's grace.
Those who are humble and willing to follow God's will, to be introspective of their behaviors in the Light of Christ, are absolved of their past sins.
AS you believe catholics are the true Church and you believe your
still a sinner, Then what you are saying is, Jesus death on the cross didn't acheive anything.
If we were sinners before we came to Christ, and we are still sinners after we came to Christ, What did His death accomplish??.
Paul says we are Saints, Not sinners.
But your right, As catholics aren't saved, You still are a sinner.
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I am not traveling down a raod I am on the same righteous road with Jesus and not frozen like you ,in a sinner society of unbelieving who you should be in Christ but as still a sinner!
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I am not frozen; I have a Saviour who releases me from the bondage of my sins, through the authority He gave to His Church.
Stop telling lies, YOU EVIL NAUGHTY MAN.
We are released from sin through what Jesus did for us, Not by the so called catholic churchs authority, [Which it doesn't have].
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Stop telling lies, YOU EVIL NAUGHTY MAN.
Please, read your Bible.
The Resurrected Christ delegated and charged His Apostolic Church with His authority to either "forgive sin or hold it bound". Logically, Jesus fully anticipated that Christians in His Church would continue to commit sin. He required that His Apostles and their successors set up a "ministry of reconciliation".
St. Paul provided lists of Scripture detailing the sins that would remove a soul's justification resulting in its exclusion from God's Kingdom.
Please, read your Bible; for the sake of your soul's justification. I've personally noticed actions on this board that you should be made aware of in that regard.
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But your right, As catholics aren't saved, You still are a sinner.
P.S. There are three uses and spellings for the words: You're and your and you are.
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I am not traveling down a raod I am on the same righteous road with Jesus and not frozen like you ,in a sinner society of unbelieving who you should be in Christ but as still a sinner!
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I am not frozen; I have a Saviour who releases me from the bondage of my sins, through the authority He gave to His Church.
Stop telling lies, YOU EVIL NAUGHTY MAN.
We are released from sin through what Jesus did for us, Not by the so called catholic churchs authority, [Which it doesn't have].
Please, again read your Bible.
The Protestant Deformation, through the actions of man and not God, abolished both what Christ established prior to His death and after His Resurrection.
Each protesting man created heretical unbiblical man-made doctrine to suit his own wants and desires.
Edited by bwellmysoul on 07/12/2012 09:57:50
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Evan,
Are you sure you aren't just being a bit semantical and over-reacting?
It is a common saying among Evangelicals that "I am a sinner saved by grace". They even have hymns with this title, so your shock seems a bit misplaced.
Even Paul himself said that he was the "chief of sinners" in the present tense, so in whatever sense he meant it, he still said it under inspiration.
Martin Luther coined the phrase, "Simul justus et peccator" or roughly 'At the same time saint and sinner'and he's the one who invented the basis of your views on justification.
Here is what we believe. We are adopted sons of God through our baptism (when we are born again).
At baptism, all sins, both original and actual are washed away and remembered no more.
We receive the Holy Spirit as a pledge and become adopted sons and daughters of God. Our status as sons and daughters cannot change.
However, like the Prodigal Son, we can become dead in our Father's eyes. We can also become become bastards or illegitimate children by not partaking of the discipline that every good Father uses to instruct His children (Heb 12:8).
There are virtually dozens of passages in scripture that warn us about continuing/persevering in the faith/grace or being cut off. The only thing that this points to is sin.
You even recognize that rejecting Christ is a sin that can't be forgiven. There have been many who once believed and thought they were saved and then later rejected Christ.
Didn't you actually do this when you began following Cedric's philosophy? Are you sure that you didn't just give yourself an exemption from your own theology?
So what good did it do for them to be considered sinless at an earlier time? Even Paul said that he was unaware of anything against him, and he was therefore not acquitted.
He also gives us lists of immoral actions which will prevent anyone from entering the Kingdom of Heaven. I think it is safe to call these sins.
We have the capability and inclination towards sin (see Romans 7), which we can overcome through the spirit (see Romans 8). Thus, when we do sin, we recognize it for what it is.
You will be hard pressed to find anywhere in scripture where sin isn't referred to as sin including for Christians. Paul says God forbid we keep sinning.
So if I read you correctly, your basic point is that sin is no longer sin since it is covered by the blood of Christ. I'm sure you'll isolate 1John 3 from its surrounding context that states
that anyone born of God cannot sin, even though his point is that practicing sin is contrary to anyone truly born of God.
When we remain in a state of grace, no sin is counted against us in regard to our standing before God, so in this sense we are sinless.
What it really seems to come down to is that we still recognize sin for what it is. We don't have a problem calling a duck a duck. It is an offense to God.
Even though you believe in the notion of future sins already forgiven, you obviously recognize that sin must be sin to be forgiven.
I don't go around calling myself a sinner, but recognize when I have sinned and ask God for forgiveness and trust that he will forgive me which can only be done by the blood of Jesus.
Godly sorrow by the will of God produces a repentance without regret leading to salvation. You can do whatever you want with that passage, but the only reason to have Godly sorrow and repent
is for something wrong which can only be sin.
So again, your righteous indignation appears to be like straining gnats or majoring in minors. I also see it as a form of shaming which is a common tactic of manipulation.
I am afraid that those who think that confessing actual sin is an offense to God are swallowing camels and something much worse.
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
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Stop telling lies, YOU EVIL NAUGHTY MAN.
Please, read your Bible.
The Resurrected Christ delegated and charged His Apostolic Church with His authority to either "forgive sin or hold it bound". Logically, Jesus fully anticipated that Christians in His Church would continue to commit sin. He required that His Apostles and their successors set up a "ministry of reconciliation".
St. Paul provided lists of Scripture detailing the sins that would remove a soul's justification resulting in its exclusion from God's Kingdom.
Please, read your Bible; for the sake of your soul's justification. I've personally noticed actions on this board that you should be made aware of in that regard.
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But your right, As catholics aren't saved, You still are a sinner.
P.S. There are three uses and spellings for the words: You're and your and you are.
[1]You said.
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The Resurrected Christ delegated and charged His Apostolic Church with His authority to either "forgive sin or hold it bound".
[End quote].
That is a catholic lie, I have explained what Jesus meant, But you still believe the pope's porkies and the catholic con-men.
[2]You said,
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He required that His Apostles and their successors set up a "ministry of reconciliation".
[End quote].
There is no such thing as Apostolic succession, And the Ministry of reconciliation is leading people to Christ, Not forgiving their sins.
You should start to believe the Bible instead of the pope's porkies and the catholic con-men.
[3]A Christian who sins, doesn't exclude one from the Kingdom, STOP TELLING LIES, YOU NAUGHTY MAN.
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"A Christian who sins, doesn't exclude one from the Kingdom." Really?
Sola Scriptura...me and my thoughts and my Bible. Wow. LOL
Get off your Mom's computer and enroll in an assisted learning basic Bible instruction course.
Begin with Galatians Chapter 5.
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