Heretic doctrine a christian is still a sinner

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Originally posted by michael

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Originally posted by evangelist

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http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/christiansinner.htm
Please watch this video above FAITH, and afterward please, please REPENT of your confession as being a sinner!

REPENT of saying you are still a sinner!

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Humble yourself & admit that you are a sinner.

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Originally posted by michael

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Originally posted by evangelist

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

I would also point out that anyone can be a pastor outside the Catholic Church. I have a Protestant uncle who annointed himself a pastor to two different denominations - he founded both of them, but found his first attempt too strict for his own abilities.

I have been offered opportunities to become a pastor myself, just take a quick course and get a certificate. I have seen certificates to become a Protestant minister in the backs of comic books.

I have seen 11 year old preachers shepherding their ever changing flock as they moved from town to town with their families.

Being a pastor should require certain standards, but outside the Catholic Church those standards vary very widely.

Telling anyone here that G4 is the pastor of his own church is not any more impressive than telling me that your neighbour's very smart dog is the pastor of his own church.

We shall know them by their fruits. These fruits are not the miracles - real or perceived. The fruits are described in the Bible.


Galatians 5:22-23 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

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Is a confession of your faith as being a sinner a fruit FAITH??

http://mediasuite.multicastmedia.com/playerJS.php?v=n3wa186u

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evangelist if Protestants believe the bible is the sole role of faith why do you send us off to some link to a man?

Why do you want us to go through some man to get to God?

Why are you listening to some man creflo dollar rather than follow the bible alone yourself?

Romans 10
[13] For, "every one who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved."
[14] But how are men to call upon him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without a preacher?
[15] And how can men preach unless they are sent ?

Who actually sent this man creflo dollar that you follow?

The Catholic Church has Apostolic succession.

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Originally posted by michael

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Originally posted by evangelist

Is a Christian a Sinner or Saint? by Terry Virgo

This post is taken from Terry Virgo's blog, as the article indicates this is a somewhat controversial subject, though it seems a shame that it is. Reposted here for your thoughts and interactions.

I was surprised on two occasions this year when preaching to what I will call ‘conservative evangelical constituencies’ and declaring the joy of our freedom in Christ, to encounter the response that followed.


On the first occasion I had been speaking about the glorious freedom proclaimed in Romans 6. On the second I was expounding Ephesians 2 and celebrating the fact that we are new creations, created in Christ Jesus. We are called ‘saints’, holy ones, and are certainly no longer regarded as ‘sinners’.

In Romans 6, Paul celebrates the truth that, whereas we used to be slaves of sin, God has made us ‘slaves of righteousness’ (Rom. 6:18). I deplored the fact that I had seen a poster when in the USA saying that a Christian is one sinner telling another sinner where to find bread. It saddens me not only to see Christians failing to accept the new identity that the gospel provides, but even fighting to defend their ‘right’ to be called ‘sinners’ when God has called those who are in Christ Jesus ‘saints’!


Such were some of you
Paul provides a horrific list of the evils that had formerly characterised the believers at Corinth, such as fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, thieves, drunkards and so on, but clearly adds, ‘Such WERE some of you, but you were washed but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and the Spirit of our God’ (1 Cor. 6:16). Surely he is telling them (and us) that they are now set apart saints of God. When Christians deplore their sinfulness to the degree that they actually argue that their essential identity is ‘a sinner’ they shoot themselves in the foot!

After one of my previously mentioned sermons, a handsome young man approached me with, ‘Surely we are essentially still sinners aren’t we?’ He then began literally shedding tears and confessed to serious problems in the realm of sexual temptation. I opened Romans 6 with him for 15 minutes, asking him Paul’s robust question, ‘Are we to continue in sin …?’ and showing him Paul’s even more forthright answer, ‘By no means!’ (King James, ‘God forbid!’). followed by his clear argument, ‘How shall we who died to sin still live in it?’ The young man seemed surprised, maybe expecting the answer, ‘Well of course we do still struggle with sin because essentially we are still sinners.’ Paul did not take that line!

He who has died is freed from sin
I took him to Romans 6:6, ‘Knowing this that our old self was crucified with Christ … that we should no longer be slaves to sin, for he who has died is freed from sin’ (Rom. 6:6-7) and reminded him that Jesus said that you will know the truth and the truth will set you free. Clearly this was a truth that this young man did not know. I then led him on to verse 11 where Paul tells us what our attitude should be to ourselves, namely to ‘consider ourselves to be dead to sin’. We must line up our thinking correctly and eagerly adopt our new relationship with sin, namely, dead to it.

Finally, I underlined his responsibility not to allow sin to reign in his members (Rom. 6:12-13). As a new creation he has the power to rule his members. He was called to live free from slavery to sin because he was not a sinner but a saint. After our chat his countenance changed, his eyes looked brighter and I think a flicker of hope had replaced the inevitability he had felt that as a sinner he was still bound to sin.

Sadly, as I turned from him a girl was waiting to speak to me and she asked exactly the same question and received exactly the same 15-minute Bible study as my answer.


my source:
http://thebluefish.org/2010/01/is-christian-sinner-or-saint-by-terry.html#!/2010/01/is-christian-sinner-or-saint-by-terry.html

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Now who is this Terry Virgo ?

Why do you want us to go through some man to get to God?

Protestants say they go through no man to get to God & believe in the bible alone yet here you are going through terry virgo & creflo dollar, why?

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul

God the Son said, ""It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Ohhh E..

Jesus said the "S" word.

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul


Ugh, because it's biblical. God the Son established a seat of authority in His Apostolic Church.

Read your Bible.

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul


You are in gross error Evangelist in your belief that your redemption is a "one shot deal" and not a life long process of conversion.

It is you who call Christians who sin "a dirty rotten, filthy , unclean sinner, with a alot of dirty rags!"

Those are not Christ's words, nor is that what He taught.

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul


It is a sin against God's mercy, after absolution to believe that God has not forgiven my confessed sins.

I live in the present. I am an adopted child of God the Father, a sister to God the Son and the Holy Spirit indwells my soul.

And, I can lose Their grace, through my actions and my inactions.

I do not presume, through my own authority, that I am "saved". That is human arrogance and pride talking.

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul


Mature Christians know who they are in Christ and have no problem acknowledging their sins and their sin filled nature.

That maturity comes through Reconciliation and Holy Eucharist, through the Sacraments of His Apostolic Church.

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Originally posted by evangelist

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Originally posted by michael

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Originally posted by evangelist

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

I would also point out that anyone can be a pastor outside the Catholic Church. I have a Protestant uncle who annointed himself a pastor to two different denominations - he founded both of them, but found his first attempt too strict for his own abilities.

I have been offered opportunities to become a pastor myself, just take a quick course and get a certificate. I have seen certificates to become a Protestant minister in the backs of comic books.

I have seen 11 year old preachers shepherding their ever changing flock as they moved from town to town with their families.

Being a pastor should require certain standards, but outside the Catholic Church those standards vary very widely.

Telling anyone here that G4 is the pastor of his own church is not any more impressive than telling me that your neighbour's very smart dog is the pastor of his own church.

We shall know them by their fruits. These fruits are not the miracles - real or perceived. The fruits are described in the Bible.


Galatians 5:22-23 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

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Is a confession of your faith as being a sinner a fruit FAITH??

http://mediasuite.multicastmedia.com/playerJS.php?v=n3wa186u

peace

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evangelist if Protestants believe the bible is the sole role of faith why do you send us off to some link to a man?

Why do you want us to go through some man to get to God?

Why are you listening to some man creflo dollar rather than follow the bible alone yourself?

Romans 10
[13] For, "every one who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved."
[14] But how are men to call upon him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without a preacher?
[15] And how can men preach unless they are sent ?

Who actually sent this man creflo dollar that you follow?

The Catholic Church has Apostolic succession.

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Why do you listen to a man called who is your infallible pope and is still a sinner like you??

At least Creflo will never say he is a sinner and never did make light of the blood of Jesus and the cross after he got saved and born again !
So even if he did he would at least REPENT and say he was a sinner but now a saint and a beloved son of God like other born again Christians who are saved, and accepted Christ as thier Saviour!



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