The only unpardonable sin renouncing Jesus!

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Originally posted by evangelist

I would like to start this thread specially on this topic about the only sin which send a person to hell is renouncing Jesus as thier Lord or rejection of Jesus because of unbelief and that is why sins in general is not the issue!
Sinner and unbeliever are already condemned to hell:

Joh:3:18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Joh:3:18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1Jo:2:16: For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jo:2:17: And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
1Jo:2:18: Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jo:2:19: They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

1Jo:2:22: Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jo:2:23: Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

let me start with this for now!

I will quote scripture from Hebrews which show a person who renounce Jesus can not come back to the Lord and that sin is unpardonable and also against the Holy Spirit!

Heb:6:4: For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb:6:5: And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb:6:6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Heb:6:7: For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Heb:6:8: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

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Heb:10:26: For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

1Jo:5:16: If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.1Jo:5:17: All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

Also notice all unrighteousness is sin , meaning John is showing there is no category of big or little sins or mortal or no mortal sin they all are the same bad sins before God and that is a true fact which lines up perfectly with:

Jas:2:10: For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

and

Jas:4:17: Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.


one love

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Not following Protestant doctrine & renouncing Jesus is not the same.

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Originally posted by God4me

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Originally posted by evangelist

I would like to start this thread specially on this topic about the only sin which send a person to hell is renouncing Jesus as thier Lord or rejection of Jesus because of unbelief and that is why sins in general is not the issue!
Sinner and unbeliever are already condemned to hell:

Joh:3:18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Joh:3:18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1Jo:2:16: For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jo:2:17: And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
1Jo:2:18: Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jo:2:19: They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

1Jo:2:22: Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jo:2:23: Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

let me start with this for now!

I will quote scripture from Hebrews which show a person who renounce Jesus can not come back to the Lord and that sin is unpardonable and also against the Holy Spirit!

Heb:6:4: For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb:6:5: And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb:6:6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Heb:6:7: For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Heb:6:8: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Also:

Heb:10:26: For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

1Jo:5:16: If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.1Jo:5:17: All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

Also notice all unrighteousness is sin , meaning John is showing there is no category of big or little sins or mortal or no mortal sin they all are the same bad sins before God and that is a true fact which lines up perfectly with:

Jas:2:10: For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

and

Jas:4:17: Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.


one love

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There are two other sins that won't be forgiven.
[1]Unrepented unforgiveness, Mk 11:25.

[2]Blaspheming the Holy Ghost, Which is contebuting the works of God to the devil. Mk 3: 22--30.

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

Amen. G4, you got those right.

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Originally posted by evangelist

michael

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Not following Protestant doctrine & renouncing Jesus is not the same.

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Who is saying it is the same?

one love

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Originally posted by michael

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Originally posted by evangelist

michael

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Not following Protestant doctrine & renouncing Jesus is not the same.

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Who is saying it is the same?

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Catholics not following Protestant doctrines does not mean they fit into the Protestant category of renouncing Jesus.

Catholics not following Protestant doctrines does not mean they fit into the Protestant category of not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

There is a distinction clearly made between a sin which is not unto death AND

1Jo:5:16: If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask,

sin unto death

and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

See the distinction between where it says sin not unto death AND sin unto death?

Are you blind you highlighted the first part of the sentence the ignored the rest of the sentence after the word and

1Jo:5:17: All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

It is not obvious because the Bible does not say that.

If God had meant to say that, HE would have simply said that renouncing of rejecting Jesus was the Only sin that killed.

The fact that God did not inspire that to be written and the Bible clearly does state that there is sin unto death and sin NOT unto death proves conclusively that the context is categories of sin, not individual sins.

The fact that you claim otherwise is obviously because you wish to add to the scriptures to create a doctrine that is not present in the scriptures. You don't get to change the plain meaning of the text just because you disagree with GOD. That is wrong.

What you don't seem to understand is that just because something is a sin, does not make it a mortal sin. There is "sin" (singular) that does not kill. This is a category of sins.

All sin is bad and wrong and an offence against God, BUT, John wrote, under inspiration of GOD, that not all sin kills. So GOD SAID that not all sin is equivalent to God. John was not writing about the opinions of men, but spoke what God wanted him to write.

Don't go giving your personal, fallible opinions as if they were true Biblical fact, especially when they go against the Bible.

What you have said that is true, is that rejecting Jesus is something we can do without any religious involvement - in fact, it is much easier outside of a Religion to reject Jesus. But it is not the only sin unto death - Paul confirmed this many times, so did John, and Peter, and Jesus.

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

No. But you frequently seem to be stuck there.

I am going by what the NEW Testament says.

Jesus never once said that rejecting him was the only unpardonable sin. He did say that blaspheming against the Holy Spirit was.

But even more importantly, Jesus did not say that only the unpardonable sin would send us to Hell.

There are lots of sins that are pardonable, if we ask. And any of these can send us to Hell.

Jesus taught us how to avoid this problem. Unbelievers don't have the Truth to save them, but you keep denying the Truth, that doesn't help either.

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