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We has posters like God4me who publicly declare that they hate what the Catholic Church teaches. Please list some of the Catholic teachings you hate, oppose or simply disagree with.
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Protestants protest their preconceived ideas of the Catholic Church doctrines not the actual Catholic Church doctrines. Then Protestants spread their preconceived ideas of the Catholic Church doctrines or some Protestant alternative to the preconceived the Catholic Church doctrines to others.
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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Originally posted by Kamati
We has posters like God4me who publicly declare that they hate what the Catholic Church teaches. Please list some of the Catholic teachings you hate, oppose or simply disagree with.
The two biggest herecy doctrine is still believing your a sinner!
The second most worst catholic doctrine is purgatory,in which the bible clearly states, absent with t body or after death is present with the Lord, and not present in a purgatory!
maybe deal with these basic main important doctrine and catholic beliefs!
third is any prayer for someone who is dead which would can't line up with the second catholic doctrine, because that would mean they are still in the natural realm when dead to be able to hear or accept any prayer from the natural realm.
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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evangelist your opposed to your protestant preconceived ideas of these things.
Protestants are predisposed to be opposed to understanding Catholic doctrines.
Whatever a Catholic says the Protestant will try to oppose it.
Protestantism teaches Protestants to have preconceived ideas about the Catholic Church due to anything not fitting their Protestantism doctrines.
Protestants create their own preconceived understandings of Catholic doctrine from their own doctrines by creating a hypothetical argument opposed to their own beliefs then pinning their preconceived hypothetical argument on to the Catholic Church.
Protestants falsely assume their preconceived hypothetical argument is real based on what they learned from Protestantism.
Protestants close themselves from input from outside Protestantism.
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
Edited by michael on 07/23/2012 18:37:35
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Being absent the body to be present with the Lord does not mean that we are instantly with God in Heaven when we die.
Paul was still alive when he spoke of being absent in body but present in spirit with other people he wrote to. And also still alive when he wrote even that passage.
Desiring be done with this life so that we can be with the Lord is a common desire among Christians, but it is not a doctrine of instant spiritual teleportation into Heaven.
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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The two biggest herecy doctrine is still believing your a sinner!
So, according to you, a believer is no longer a sinner and John was writing to non-believers when he said, “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” (1 John 1:8) ... but by saying “if we say ...” he seems to include himself ... why is that so?
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Originally posted by evangelist
The second most worst catholic doctrine is purgatory, in which the bible clearly states, absent with t body or after death is present with the Lord, and not present in a purgatory!
But does the Bible say that to be absent from the body is to be present with Lord REGARDLESS? Does that mean that even sinners are present with the Lord? What about those who die with sin that is not mortal?
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Originally posted by evangelist
maybe deal with these basic main important doctrine and catholic beliefs!
I hope you will address the few questions I asked above just to clear up a few things before we move on.
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third is any prayer for someone who is dead which would can't line up with the second catholic doctrine, because that would mean they are still in the natural realm when dead to be able to hear or accept any prayer from the natural realm.
Okay ... okay ... contrary to the Bible you believe that death actually separates us and you also believe that Jesus was wrong when He said that dead believers are alive. So you believe that dead believers are not alive ... except perhaps Moses and Abraham ...
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evangelist your opposed to your protestant preconceived ideas of these things.
Protestants are predisposed to be opposed to understanding Catholic doctrines.
Whatever a Catholic says the Protestant will try to oppose it.
I know some Protestants who at least try to understand Catholicism the way Catholics understand it, but they are very few a far apart. The rest of Protestants present themselves as people who understand Catholicism better than Catholics.
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Originally posted by michael
Protestantism teaches Protestants to have preconceived ideas about the Catholic Church due to anything not fitting their Protestantism doctrines.
Protestants create their own preconceived understandings of Catholic doctrine from their own doctrines by creating a hypothetical argument opposed to their own beliefs then pinning their preconceived hypothetical argument on to the Catholic Church.
Protestants falsely assume their preconceived hypothetical argument is real based on what they learned from Protestantism.
Protestants close themselves from input from outside Protestantism.
Yeah, because if they don't they would have no reason to remain Protestant.
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Originally posted by Kamati
We has posters like God4me who publicly declare that they hate what the Catholic Church teaches. Please list some of the Catholic teachings you hate, oppose or simply disagree with.
catholics are a devil inspired man made false religion.
Where in the Bible,do you find.
Salvation by Infant baptism.
Praying to Mary.
Praying to the departed saints.
The departed saints praying for us.
Purgatory.
May, And ever virgin.
Mary, Sinless.
Mary's bodily accention to heaven.
Pope's.
Priests's.
Confessing sins to a priest.
Penance, indulgencies, Works of satisfaction.
Justification by works.
The catholic church, [As it is]
Being baptised in the Holy Ghost at confirmation.
Tradition, [As in, the catholic leaders can "And do" add what they want to the Bible, & it has the same authority as the Bible].
All these are major doctrines of the catholic church, Yet not one of them is in the Bible.
catholics DO twist the Bible to get those false doctrines, But there not in the Bible.
That's why we hate the catholic church, [Not the people].
Edited by God4me on 07/24/2012 00:41:26
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Originally posted by michael
Protestants protest their preconceived ideas of the Catholic Church doctrines not the actual Catholic Church doctrines. Then Protestants spread their preconceived ideas of the Catholic Church doctrines or some Protestant alternative to the preconceived the Catholic Church doctrines to others.
There you go again, TELLING LIES.
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Originally posted by michael
evangelist your opposed to your protestant preconceived ideas of these things.
Protestants are predisposed to be opposed to understanding Catholic doctrines.
Whatever a Catholic says the Protestant will try to oppose it.
Protestantism teaches Protestants to have preconceived ideas about the Catholic Church due to anything not fitting their Protestantism doctrines.
Protestants create their own preconceived understandings of Catholic doctrine from their own doctrines by creating a hypothetical argument opposed to their own beliefs then pinning their preconceived hypothetical argument on to the Catholic Church.
Protestants falsely assume their preconceived hypothetical argument is real based on what they learned from Protestantism.
Protestants close themselves from input from outside Protestantism.
There you go again, TELLING LIES.
You are obsessed with this so called protestants preconceived idears of the catholics,
We know what the catholic teach, And we know what the Bible teaches, Ans we know there not the same.
WILL YOU EVER QUIT TELING LIES??.
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Being absent the body to be present with the Lord does not mean that we are instantly with God in Heaven when we die.
Paul was still alive when he spoke of being absent in body but present in spirit with other people he wrote to. And also still alive when he wrote even that passage.
Desiring be done with this life so that we can be with the Lord is a common desire among Christians, but it is not a doctrine of instant spiritual teleportation into Heaven.
There you go again, TELLING LIES.
Is that the catholic teaching or,
the gospel according to faith_at _large.
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Originally posted by Kamati
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Originally posted by evangelist
The two biggest herecy doctrine is still believing your a sinner!
So, according to you, a believer is no longer a sinner and John was writing to non-believers when he said, “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” (1 John 1:8) ... but by saying “if we say ...” he seems to include himself ... why is that so?
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Originally posted by evangelist
The second most worst catholic doctrine is purgatory, in which the bible clearly states, absent with t body or after death is present with the Lord, and not present in a purgatory!
But does the Bible say that to be absent from the body is to be present with Lord REGARDLESS? Does that mean that even sinners are present with the Lord? What about those who die with sin that is not mortal?
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Originally posted by evangelist
maybe deal with these basic main important doctrine and catholic beliefs!
I hope you will address the few questions I asked above just to clear up a few things before we move on.
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Originally posted by evangelist
third is any prayer for someone who is dead which would can't line up with the second catholic doctrine, because that would mean they are still in the natural realm when dead to be able to hear or accept any prayer from the natural realm.
Okay ... okay ... contrary to the Bible you believe that death actually separates us and you also believe that Jesus was wrong when He said that dead believers are alive. So you believe that dead believers are not alive ... except perhaps Moses and Abraham ...
You must be a catholic, They twist the truth.
[1]There is a differance between a sinner and a Christian who sins.
The Christian is saved whereas the sinner isn't saved.
If we were sinners before we got saved, [Which we were], And we are still sinners after we get saved, What did Jesus death accomplish??.
[2]Paul was talking to the Church, [The Christians], When he said,
"To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord".
STOP TWISTING THE TRUTH.
[3]People's Spirit & soul are still alive when they die, catholics along with other sinners go to hell, And Christians go to heaven.
But there is no Biblical record in the new testament where the departed saints pray for us, And we pray to them.
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Hi God4me,
Thank you very much for your response and thank you for the list of Catholic teachings you disagree with. I hope you are open-minded enough and [you] will not close your eyes as soon as you have posted what you perceive to be “devil inspired” Catholic teachings.
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Originally posted by God4me
catholics are a devil inspired man made false religion.
Well, I am open for that [remote] possibility, provided you start providing concrete evidence instead of limiting yourself to anti-Catholic slogans.
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Originally posted by God4me
Where in the Bible, do you find.
Salvation by Infant baptism.
Praying to Mary.
Praying to the departed saints.
The departed saints praying for us.
Purgatory.
May, And ever virgin.
Mary, Sinless.
Mary's bodily accention to heaven.
Pope's.
Priests's.
Confessing sins to a priest.
Penance, indulgencies, Works of satisfaction.
Justification by works.
The catholic church, [As it is]
Being baptised in the Holy Ghost at confirmation.
Tradition, [As in, the catholic leaders can "And do" add what they want to the Bible, & it has the same authority as the Bible].
All these are major doctrines of the catholic church, Yet not one of them is in the Bible.
catholics DO twist the Bible to get those false doctrines, But there not in the Bible.
Well, let us make this one clear: where does the Bible say all major doctrines must be in the Bible? When did the Bible replace the Church as “the pillar and foundation of truth”? (cf. 1 Timothy 3:15)
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Originally posted by God4me
That's why we hate the catholic church, [Not the people].
I see! But you do not hate the Catholic Church as such; you rather hate what you perceive to be the Catholic Church.
The only way to change that kind of affairs is to be open-minded and to be open to the possibility that you were actually fed with lies about the Catholic Church (deceived by someone who wanted you to hate the Catholic Church ... and he has succeeded!).
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Originally posted by God4me
You must be a catholic, They twist the truth.
Yes, I am Catholic and no, we do not twist the truth, we simply disagree with you. From when are you the final authority of what is true? Are you so infallible that all those who disagree with you must be wrong?
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Originally posted by God4me
[1]There is a differance between a sinner and a Christian who sins.
Wow! A Christian who sins is not a sinner? Strange, but that is to be expected! According to God4me even Christ's apostles were not Christians; if they were already saved, Christ would never have taught them how to pray for forgiveness of their sins.
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The Christian is saved whereas the sinner isn't saved.
A Christian is saved provided he endures to the end ... time to read your Bible.
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Originally posted by God4me
If we were sinners before we got saved, [Which we were], And we are still sinners after we get saved, What did Jesus death accomplish??.
So, you conclude that a Christian who sins is not a sinner!
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Originally posted by God4me
[2]Paul was talking to the Church, [The Christians], When he said, "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord".
Yes, and John was also speaking to the Church when he said whoever says he has no sin is deceiving himself. So, according to John, God4me is deceiving himself.
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Originally posted by God4me
STOP TWISTING THE TRUTH.
I know what you mean ... you mean to say “stop disagreeing with God4me”
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Originally posted by God4me
[3]People's Spirit & soul are still alive when they die, catholics along with other sinners go to hell, And Christians go to heaven.
That is God4me’s final judgement ... no appeal ... even God is obliged to agree with God4me’s final judgment or else ...
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Originally posted by God4me
But there is no Biblical record in the new testament where the departed saints pray for us, And we pray to them.
Apostles Paul, Simon Peter, John, Andrew, Matthew et al must be alive somewhere in this world because their death is not recorded in the bible. Hmmm ... but where does this idea of having every thing recorded in the Bible come from? Definitely not from the Bible ... it must be devil-inspired!
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Hi God4me,
Let me look at your list from another angle.
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Salvation by Infant baptism.
Catholics do not believe they are already saved ... you know that. So this allegation of being saved by infant baptism is a cheap shot.
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Praying to Mary.
Praying to the departed saints.
The departed saints praying for us.
What is wrong with that?
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Originally posted by God4me
Purgatory.
Let me comb the Bible looking for the word “purgatory”, while you do the same with the word “Bible”. Must be easy for you ... you have 48 hours to give me a feedback.
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May, And ever virgin.
So you believe she is not Ever Virgin ... why do you believe that?
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Mary, Sinless.
Hmmm ... you would be more comfortable with a sinful Mary ... but you also believe that a believer can not be a sinner, except Mary, apparently; she was a believer, but you must believe that she was a sinner ... just so that God4me can feel good about himself.
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Mary's bodily accention to heaven.
Is that impossible? Okay then, go ahead and show us her tomb!
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Pope's.
What is wrong about Popes?
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Priests's.
What is wrong with priests?
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Confessing sins to a priest.
What if I confess to you ... would that be okay?
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Penance, indulgencies, Works of satisfaction.
Are you sure you understand those topics the way Catholics understand them? And why is your understanding better than anyone else's?
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Justification by works.
Thank you! You are actually accusing the Catholic Church of believing the Bible because "man is justified by works and NOT faith alone."
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The catholic church, [As it is]
And how was it previously?
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Being baptised in the Holy Ghost at confirmation.
But as far as I know the Catholic Church does not teach two baptisms; it teaches one baptism only.
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Tradition, [As in, the catholic leaders can "And do" add what they want to the Bible, & it has the same authority as the Bible].
I will wait for you to provide evidence of the supposed additions to the Bible ... or would that be a waste of my time?
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Originally posted by michael
evangelist your opposed to your protestant preconceived ideas of these things.
Protestants are predisposed to be opposed to understanding Catholic doctrines.
Whatever a Catholic says the Protestant will try to oppose it.
Protestantism teaches Protestants to have preconceived ideas about the Catholic Church due to anything not fitting their Protestantism doctrines.
Protestants create their own preconceived understandings of Catholic doctrine from their own doctrines by creating a hypothetical argument opposed to their own beliefs then pinning their preconceived hypothetical argument on to the Catholic Church.
Protestants falsely assume their preconceived hypothetical argument is real based on what they learned from Protestantism.
Protestants close themselves from input from outside Protestantism.
NOPE! I am going by what I learned and heard from the catholic here or are you saying the catholic on this board have a protestant falsely assume their preconceived hypothetical belief?
When Jesus come back He will come back with those who are dead, and those alive will be raptured away!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 07/24/2012 06:19:32
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