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Charles Haddon SpurgeonWhat do catholic think about him?CHARLES SPURGEON: THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE MASTERPIECE OF SATAN AND THE QUEEN OF more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 07/26/2012 08:21:31
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Really? So you think he was infallible?
I think he had a powerful gift of true revelaion about lies and error in a religion at large which for him was so easy to see the spirit of lies and deceptions to counter that religion of man made errors against the true will of God!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I don't think Evan knows of Spurgeon. He just heard that he "proved the Catholic Church wrong", so he thinks an enemy of his enemy is his friend. Funny thing is, Spurgeon was also an enemy of Calvinism. I don't think he would like Evan's osas with a new age spin.
I don'z believe in osas neither so your plan against me with Spurgeon would fail!
1+1=2 !
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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You may not claim osas, but that is essentially what you preach.
If x+1=2, then x=1
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Really? So you think he was infallible?
I think he had a powerful gift of true revelaion about lies and error in a religion at large which for him was so easy to see the spirit of lies and deceptions to counter that religion of man made errors against the true will of God!
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Ah but the quote I placed on my post shows that spurgeon didn't believe in new revelation Evan. I think this is another case of confirmation bias on your part. You only hear what you want and don't really take into account what your reading.
Spurgeon may have been a good preacher, but that doesn't mean he was correct. If his position stood against the teaching of the ancient church then it really doesn't matter if he was convincing or not. Joseph smith was convincing, Mary baker eddy was convincing, Womack is apparently convincing, but only to people that don't know the truth. I need more than fluff and hellfire preaching. I need the truth, and the truth is found in the church.
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You may not claim osas, but that is essentially what you preach.
If x+1=2, then x=1
It is a half truth but not all the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so that why in a way you think I teach the same in which I don't, and never will!
Stop putting word in my mouth!
Glad you at knew he was a good awesome preacher, I guess better than any pope or priest of your churchy!
Also so glad to know he was not a catholic and was saved, and not a sinner catholic not saved by grace!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 08/04/2012 23:21:50
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Really? So you think he was infallible?
I think he had a powerful gift of true revelaion about lies and error in a religion at large which for him was so easy to see the spirit of lies and deceptions to counter that religion of man made errors against the true will of God!
one love
Ah but the quote I placed on my post shows that spurgeon didn't believe in new revelation Evan. I think this is another case of confirmation bias on your part. You only hear what you want and don't really take into account what your reading.
Spurgeon may have been a good preacher, but that doesn't mean he was correct. If his position stood against the teaching of the ancient church then it really doesn't matter if he was convincing or not. Joseph smith was convincing, Mary baker eddy was convincing, Womack is apparently convincing, but only to people that don't know the truth. I need more than fluff and hellfire preaching. I need the truth, and the truth is found in the church.
It depend what church!
Plus the body of Christ is the real church not some man made society religious church at large or some brick building with four walls!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Evan,
Spurgeon would have condemned your religion without question. Since it didn't exist at the time of Spurgeon, he wasn't able to.
He was a hard core Calvinist.
You might as well quote Jehovah's Witnesses.
Here are three quotes from Spurgeon that I'm sure you'll agree with:.
"Calvinism IS the Gospel, and nothing else."
"The longer I live, the clearer does it appear that John Calvin’s system is the nearest to perfection."
"Among all those who have been born of women, there has not risen a greater than John Calvin; no age before him ever produced his equal, and no age afterwards has seen his rival. In theology, he stands alone, shining like a bright fixed star, while other leaders and teachers can only circle round him, at a great distance,—as comets go streaming through space,—-with nothing like his glory or his permanence."
The third quote was not tongue in cheek. It was in his autobiography and he was dead serious. Would this qualify as blasphemy since Jesus uses the same wording to describe John the Baptist?
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Evan,
Spurgeon would have condemned your religion without question. Since it didn't exist at the time of Spurgeon, he wasn't able to.
He was a hard core Calvinist.
You might as well quote Jehovah's Witnesses.
Here are three quotes from Spurgeon that I'm sure you'll agree with:.
"Calvinism IS the Gospel, and nothing else."
"The longer I live, the clearer does it appear that John Calvin’s system is the nearest to perfection."
"Among all those who have been born of women, there has not risen a greater than John Calvin; no age before him ever produced his equal, and no age afterwards has seen his rival. In theology, he stands alone, shining like a bright fixed star, while other leaders and teachers can only circle round him, at a great distance,—as comets go streaming through space,—-with nothing like his glory or his permanence."
The third quote was not tongue in cheek. It was in his autobiography and he was dead serious. Would this qualify as blasphemy since Jesus uses the same wording to describe John the Baptist?
I was a baptist when i lived with my parents and grew up in that church baptist so was Spurgeon also a baptist?
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 08/06/2012 00:31:59
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It depend what church!
Plus the body of Christ is the real church not some man made society religious church at large or some brick building with four walls!
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There is only one church Evan and your right, it isn't some man made society religious church at large blah blah blah.. We Catholics have said this all along but e reformers chose to do exactly that. Base their faith on charismatic men than shepherds, base their faith on societies and new religions. Catholics have always believed in one holy catholic and apostolic church, the reformers chose sects and societies. Spurgeon is only another case of that very thing. Do what you want with him but please don't crab about the pope only to replace him with a spurgeon.
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You may not claim osas, but that is essentially what you preach.
If x+1=2, then x=1
It is a half truth but not all the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so that why in a way you think I teach the same in which I don't, and never will!
Stop putting word in my mouth!
Glad you at knew he was a good awesome preacher, I guess better than any pope or priest of your churchy!
Also so glad to know he was not a catholic and was saved, and not a sinner catholic not saved by grace!
one love
Nope, Jesus' Catholic Church has some great preachers. And I like the fullness of the faith, so no matter how "great" a Protestant preacher is, I will be left wanting. Don't get me wrong, there are good preachers who I love to hear every now and then, but I always have to go to a Catholic Church afterwards to receive the best part.
You can preach error with all the charisma in the world, and it wouldn't make it true. No matter how hard you try... evan.
I did come across the end of one of Spurgeon's sermons that I liked.
"Let us use this prayer as our own now. Oh that it might come up before the Lord at this time as the earnest supplication of every heart in this assembly! I will repeat it, not as a text, but as a prayer, as my own prayer, as your prayer.
Will each one of you take it personally for himself? Let everyone, I entreat you, who desires to offer the prayer, and can join in it, utter at its close an audible "Amen."
Let us pray, GOD BE MERCIFUL TO ME - A SINNER." - Spurgeon (Sinner's Prayer)
And yes, it got an amen at the end.
Uh oh. Guess he wasn't saved then, huh?
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Edited by acumenCry on 08/05/2012 18:33:37
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Evan,
Spurgeon would have condemned your religion without question. Since it didn't exist at the time of Spurgeon, he wasn't able to.
He was a hard core Calvinist.
You might as well quote Jehovah's Witnesses.
Here are three quotes from Spurgeon that I'm sure you'll agree with:.
"Calvinism IS the Gospel, and nothing else."
"The longer I live, the clearer does it appear that John Calvin’s system is the nearest to perfection."
"Among all those who have been born of women, there has not risen a greater than John Calvin; no age before him ever produced his equal, and no age afterwards has seen his rival. In theology, he stands alone, shining like a bright fixed star, while other leaders and teachers can only circle round him, at a great distance,—as comets go streaming through space,—-with nothing like his glory or his permanence."
The third quote was not tongue in cheek. It was in his autobiography and he was dead serious. Would this qualify as blasphemy since Jesus uses the same wording to describe John the Baptist?
I was a baptist when i leaved with my parents and grew up in that church baptist so was Spurgeon also a baptist?
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Do you know what a Calvinist is?
There is a large group of "Reformed" Baptists that are Calvinist, but they often fight with the typical evangelical Baptists.
My Father-In-Law is a regular Baptist and he doesn't speak kindly of Calvinists.
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It depend what church!
Plus the body of Christ is the real church not some man made society religious church at large or some brick building with four walls!
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There is only one church Evan and your right, it isn't some man made society religious church at large blah blah blah.. We Catholics have said this all along but e reformers chose to do exactly that. Base their faith on charismatic men than shepherds, base their faith on societies and new religions. Catholics have always believed in one holy catholic and apostolic church, the reformers chose sects and societies. Spurgeon is only another case of that very thing. Do what you want with him but please don't crab about the pope only to replace him with a spurgeon.
I wouldn't make a pope any better than you Mike and a pope is just another man made catholic alone posiition in your catholic vatican!
How I see a pope is just no different than any other catholic, just a man with some halloween costume with a stick in his hand and saying nothing but blah blah blah in the name of your church!
To me I think Faith and you are more convincing of some truth than your pope!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I wouldn't make a pope any better than you Mike and a pope is just another man made catholic alone posiition in your catholic vatican!
How I see a pope is just no different than any other catholic, just a man with some halloween costume with a stick in his hand and saying nothing but blah blah blah in the name of your church!
To me I think Faith and you are more convincing of some truth than your pope!
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Christ created the office of the papacy to form One, Holy, unified Apostolic Church.
Your statement that the papacy is "man-made" contradicts Sacred Scripture.
Where in the Gospel did Christ say to go out and create tens of thousands of denominations, each teaching a Gospel that they have self-interpreted in absence of what He and the Holy Spirit taught the Apostles?
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I wouldn't make a pope any better than you Mike and a pope is just another man made catholic alone posiition in your catholic vatican!
How I see a pope is just no different than any other catholic, just a man with some halloween costume with a stick in his hand and saying nothing but blah blah blah in the name of your church!
To me I think Faith and you are more convincing of some truth than your pope!
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Christ created the office of the papacy to form One, Holy, unified Apostolic Church.
Your statement that the papacy is "man-made" contradicts Sacred Scripture.
Where in the Gospel did Christ say to go out and create tens of thousands of denominations, each teaching a Gospel that they have self-interpreted in absence of what He and the Holy Spirit taught the Apostles?
Do you think spurgeon created rhose denomination?
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Comical; your fevered avoidance behaviors.
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