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Why was Isaiah so elated about the theology Luther discovered?
Isaiah 61:10 I delight greatly in the LORD;
my soul rejoices in my God.
For he has clothed me with garments of salvation
and arrayed me in a robe of righteousness,
Question: Why did Isaiah think that he was saved
and why did Isaiah think that he had HIS righteousness?
Answer: Like Evangelicals, Isaiah was blessed as he heard from the Lord
and wasn’t led astray by some pope or some false tradition!
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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Mary's Magnificat.
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My soul magnifies the Lord
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior;
Because he has regarded the lowliness of his handmaid;
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed;
Because he who is mighty has done great things for me,
and holy is his name;
And his mercy is from generation to generation
on those who fear him.
He has shown might with his arm,
He has scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and has exalted the lowly.
He has filled the hungry with good things,
and the rich he has sent away empty.
He has given help to Israel, his servant, mindful of his mercy
Even as he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his posterity forever
P.S. Luther didn't believe in once saved always saved, nor do Lutherans believe it today.
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"Once saved always saved" is a Calvinist theory.
Man-made distortion of God's Word.
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In context of every other verse in Isaiah 61, he was elated because he foresaw the future salvation of his people.
Isaiah 61 has nothing to do with the man-made doctrine of "once saved, always saved" which has led you astray.
Interestingly enough, in the Magnificat, the Blessed Virgin speaks in present tense.
"Be good, keep your feet dry, your eyes open, your heart at peace and your soul in the joy of Christ." - Thomas Merton
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Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Luke 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away
Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God
"Be good, keep your feet dry, your eyes open, your heart at peace and your soul in the joy of Christ." - Thomas Merton
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Isaiah 61:10 I delight greatly in the LORD;
my soul rejoices in my God.
For he has clothed me with garments of salvation
and arrayed me in a robe of righteousness,quote:
Originally posted by acumenCry
In context of every other verse in Isaiah 61, he was elated because he foresaw the future salvation of his people.
Isaiah 61 has nothing to do with the man-made doctrine of "once saved, always saved" which has led you astray.
Interestingly enough, in the Magnificat, the Blessed Virgin speaks in present tense.
How do you arrive at Isaiah losing salvation,
when it is the Lord's salvation and the Lord's righteousness?
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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I never said Isaiah lost his salvation.
Sounds like he was anointed to preach the good news, not that he was guaranteed salvation.
1 The spirit of the Lord is upon me, because the Lord hath anointed me: he hath sent me to preach to the meek, to heal the contrite of heart, and to preach a release to the captives, and deliverance to them that are shut up.
... Reminds me of this passage where another anointed one, Paul, says to stand firm, not do whatever you want after you say a prayer asking Jesus into your heart.
Ephesians 6:13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
Shortly before that, he says this:
Ephesians 5:3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. 4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a man is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them.
Sorry I won't let you deceive me with your 400 year old heresy. No hard feelings. 
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Isaiah 1:19 If you are willing and obedient, you shall eat the good of the land:
"Be good, keep your feet dry, your eyes open, your heart at peace and your soul in the joy of Christ." - Thomas Merton
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I never said Isaiah lost his salvation.
Sounds like he was anointed to preach the good news, not that he was guaranteed salvation.
1 The spirit of the Lord is upon me, because the Lord hath anointed me: he hath sent me to preach to the meek, to heal the contrite of heart, and to preach a release to the captives, and deliverance to them that are shut up.
Isaiah 61:10 I delight greatly in the LORD;
my soul rejoices in my God.
For he has clothed me with garments of salvation
and arrayed me in a robe of righteousness,
The Catholic God must be an Indian giver!
Giving salvation and righteousness to believers
in Jesus' atoning sacrifice
and then failing to live up to His promises.
You can keep Roman Catholicism
as it is too demeaning to God and those who trust in Him.
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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Nah, not an Indian giver. More like a good Father. You just fail to try and understand it because it doesn't tickle your ears.
Salvation is both a one time thing and a continuous process. He gave us reason for a reason, you know. Hence, the name.
And yes, thank you... I will keep Catholicism. It's not demeaning to God and those who trust him. I'll keep it because I trust him.
By the way, I delight in the Lord and my soul rejoices in him, because he has clothed me with garments of salvation
and arrayed me in a robe of righteousness.
"Be good, keep your feet dry, your eyes open, your heart at peace and your soul in the joy of Christ." - Thomas Merton
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Eze 14:14 Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver [but] their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD.
I wonder what luther would have said about this. Though I have a hard time seeing luther, even though he was a heretic, pop out a single verse and try to make implications to cover the rest of scripture with... oh wait... he did that too..
anyway con, i'm gonna leave this verse with you, it's from God so please don't just try and blow it off. tell me which verse, the one you posted or this one is true. or if you want i will let you take a third option which is that scripture is bigger than a single verse, but then you will have to accept an identity with a church that is much older than evangelical sects.
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Originally posted by acumenCry
Nah, not an Indian giver. More like a good Father. You just fail to try and understand it because it doesn't tickle your ears.
Salvation is both a one time thing and a continuous process. He gave us reason for a reason, you know. Hence, the name.
And yes, thank you... I will keep Catholicism. It's not demeaning to God and those who trust him. I'll keep it because I trust him.
By the way, I delight in the Lord and my soul rejoices in him, because he has clothed me with garments of salvation
and arrayed me in a robe of righteousness.
You aren't so sure of your salvation,
so that robe of righteousness means nothing.
Furthermore you do not trust Jesus,
but the way the papacy presents their idea of Jesus to you.
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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Con, please prove your saved. I see no point beating around the bush on is one. I don't care what you say, except if you can prove it.. So give me proof that your saved. Prove to me that your not going to end up like so many other evangelicals that turned out to be "not really saved to begin with", but made the same claims as you. If you cannot prove this then you are making assumptions and assumptions end up proving error on your part. The position of the ancient church isn't based on assumption, but on faith. We all have faith that we will be saved, but also know that free will is still a part of our humanity. It is a more reasonable position, and a more biblical position than osas.
Anyway as I've asked every other evangelical who has played the osas card,, please prove that your saved. Prove that you won't be like those other people who told me they were saved and then fell away. I will wait to prove my salvation when I see you in heaven.
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You aren't so sure of your salvation,
so that robe of righteousness means nothing.
On the contrary, that robe means so much to me that I would rather keep it clean and pressed through repentance than just continue to roll around in the mud with it. And I do not doubt my salvation. I trust in Christ and know that as long as I keep my eyes on him, I will not be disappointed.
Furthermore you do not trust Jesus,
but the way the papacy presents their idea of Jesus to you.
Wrong again. Your assumption is based on a false premise. Like I said, I trust in Jesus, and I was doing so long before I had even heard of the papacy.
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You aren't so sure of your salvation,
so that robe of righteousness means nothing.
On the contrary, that robe means so much to me that I would rather keep it clean and pressed through repentance than just continue to roll around in the mud with it. And I do not doubt my salvation. I trust in Christ and know that as long as I keep my eyes on him, I will not be disappointed.
Furthermore you do not trust Jesus,
but the way the papacy presents their idea of Jesus to you.
Wrong again. Your assumption is based on a false premise. Like I said, I trust in Jesus, and I was doing so long before I had even heard of the papacy.
Repentance means turning to Jesus
so you admit that you regularly turn away from Him.
It that your witness here?
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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The Prophet Ezekiel doesn't leave anything to guesswork.
Just in case you don't believe God speaking though him the first time, he repeats it over and over.
Security in sin is found nowhere in the OT nor NT.
Ezeziel 18:21-32
Eze 18:21 "But if the wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
22 "All his transgressions which he has committed will not be remembered against him; because of his righteousness which he has practiced, he will live.
23 "Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked," declares the Lord GOD, " [fn]rather than that he should turn from his ways and live?
24 "But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations that a wicked man does, will he live? All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed and his sin which he has committed; for them he will die.
25 "Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Hear now, O house of Israel! Is My way not right? Is it not your ways that are not right?
26 "When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and dies because of it, for his iniquity which he has committed he will die.
27 "Again, when a wicked man turns away from his wickedness which he has committed and practices justice and righteousness, he will save his life.
28 "Because he considered and turned away from all his transgressions which he had committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
29 "But the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Are My ways not right, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are not right?
30 "Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, each according to his conduct," declares the Lord GOD. "Repent and turn away from all your transgressions, so that iniquity may not become a stumbling block to you.
31 "Cast away from you all your transgressions which you have committed and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! For why will you die, O house of Israel?
32 "For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies," declares the Lord GOD. "Therefore, repent and live."
Ezekiel 33:8-20
Eze 33:8 "When I say to the wicked, 'O wicked man, you will surely die,' and you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require from your hand.
9 "But if you on your part warn a wicked man to turn from his way and he does not turn from his way, he will die in his iniquity, but you have delivered your life.
10 "Now as for you, son of man, say to the house of Israel, 'Thus you have spoken, saying, "Surely our transgressions and our sins are upon us, and we are rotting away in them; how then can we [fn]survive?"'
11 "Say to them, 'As I live!' declares the Lord [fn]GOD, 'I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn back, turn back from your evil ways! Why then will you die, O house of Israel?'
12 "And you, son of man, say to [fn]your fellow citizens, 'The righteousness of a righteous man will not deliver him in the day of his transgression, and as for the wickedness of the wicked, he will not stumble because of it in the day when he turns from his wickedness; whereas a righteous man will not be able to live [fn]by his righteousness on the day when he commits sin.'
13 "When I say to the righteous he will surely live, and he so trusts in his righteousness that he commits iniquity, none of his righteous deeds will be remembered; but in that same iniquity of his which he has committed he will die.
14 "But when I say to the wicked, 'You will surely die,' and he turns from his sin and practices justice and righteousness,
15 if a wicked man restores a pledge, pays back what he has taken by robbery, walks by the statutes [fn]which ensure life without committing iniquity, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
16 "None of his sins that he has committed will be remembered against him. He has practiced justice and righteousness; he shall surely live.
17 "Yet [fn]your fellow citizens say, 'The way of the Lord is not right,' when it is their own way that is not right.
18 "When the righteous turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, then he shall die in [fn]it.
19 "But when the wicked turns from his wickedness and practices justice and righteousness, he will live by them.
20 "Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' O house of Israel, I will judge each of you according to his ways."
If these passages mean anything to you, would you not be the one referred to as calling God unfair? You have already said that what Ezekiel warns about would make God an Indian giver.
Security in sin is found nowhere in the OT and especially not in the NT since the grace of God has been revealed.
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