Parallel responsibility!

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul

Responsibility for pastoral leadership was not restricted to Peter. ...............

vs your statement:

Parallel responsibility doesn't mean
that Peter had greater responsibility than the other apostles.

And your asinine conclusion:

According to this document from the VATICAN there simply wasn't a pope in the early days!

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Originally posted by acumenCry

Ha, this guy.

Keep reading, bud. You'll get it eventually. You're trying too hard to see what you want to see, rather than just reading as is.

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Originally posted by Conqueror



AUTHORITY IN THE CHURCH II

Responsibility for pastoral leadership was not restricted to Peter. ...............
Although Paul was not among the Twelve, he too was conspicuous for the leadership which he exercised with an authority received from the Lord himself, claiming to share with Peter and others parallel responsibility and apostolic authority (Gal. 2:7-8; 1 Cor. 9:1).
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/po...rch-ii_en.html


Parallel responsibility doesn't mean
that Peter had greater responsibility than the other apostles.

According to this document from the VATICAN there simply wasn't a pope in the early days!

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Originally posted by God4me

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Originally posted by Conqueror



AUTHORITY IN THE CHURCH II

Responsibility for pastoral leadership was not restricted to Peter. ...............
Although Paul was not among the Twelve, he too was conspicuous for the leadership which he exercised with an authority received from the Lord himself, claiming to share with Peter and others parallel responsibility and apostolic authority (Gal. 2:7-8; 1 Cor. 9:1).
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/po...rch-ii_en.html


Parallel responsibility doesn't mean
that Peter had greater responsibility than the other apostles.

According to this document from the VATICAN there simply wasn't a pope in the early days!

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The pope was formed a long time after the catholic church was formed.
The catholic church was formed 300--600 years after Jesus formed His TRUE Church.

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Originally posted by Conqueror



AUTHORITY IN THE CHURCH II

Responsibility for pastoral leadership was not restricted to Peter. ...............
Although Paul was not among the Twelve, he too was conspicuous for the leadership which he exercised with an authority received from the Lord himself, claiming to share with Peter and others parallel responsibility and apostolic authority (Gal. 2:7-8; 1 Cor. 9:1).
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/po...rch-ii_en.html


Parallel responsibility doesn't mean
that Peter had greater responsibility than the other apostles.

According to this document from the VATICAN there simply wasn't a pope in the early days!

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Originally posted by mikejuli

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Originally posted by Conqueror



AUTHORITY IN THE CHURCH II

Responsibility for pastoral leadership was not restricted to Peter. ...............
Although Paul was not among the Twelve, he too was conspicuous for the leadership which he exercised with an authority received from the Lord himself, claiming to share with Peter and others parallel responsibility and apostolic authority (Gal. 2:7-8; 1 Cor. 9:1).
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/po...rch-ii_en.html


Parallel responsibility doesn't mean
that Peter had greater responsibility than the other apostles.

According to this document from the VATICAN there simply wasn't a pope in the early days!

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I'm not seeing your argument here Con. Parallel responsbility doesn't mean greater or less responsibility, but this isn't really a problem for catholics. It is more a problem for non catholic pastors who do take sole responsibility as well as authority. The church has a pope but it also has a curia, a college of bishops which shares responsibility with the pope. This is why the church has so many councils through history, where issues were cleared up, doctrines formed and defined, and in it all the pope is a participant with the church rather than some guy trying to claim all the responsibility. Further every priest shares that responsibility for pastoral leadership.

What I think you meant was a matter of Authority and not responsibility, though this too would not really fit well into the catholic picture for the same exact reasons. The church does see the pope as a pastor of the whole church which is merely a matter of common sense, but even in authority, it is balanced by council and curia. This is rarely the case in fundamentalist churches where it doesn't take too long to see them split up and start new opposing sects because in truth they are after sole authority. The papacy makes a claim to infallibiliy, but is balanced by the curia, the fundamentalist assumes the pope is all on his own and fashions their belief on being their own pope, infallible and without need for a council. I've seen it too many times when i was a non catholic, too many pastors which were far more controlling than any pope, who made claims and doctrinal statements based on their own infallible ideas, which were challenged by other pastors or church members doing the same. Even here we see time and time again, the non catholic arrive with all the fire and stench of hell behind his words as he tries to make a claim against the church, the pope, etc.. all the while never seeing the fallacy in his statements and how they apply to themselves in the end. they try to imply that catholics only follow men because they have a pope.. but never realize that non catholics follow men too because they have a pastor. they try to imply that we should follow the bible and not men who interpret it.. then they go ahead and interpret the bible for us completely contradicting their sales pitch. Evan here is a great example of a guy who tries to pin catholics with following men, but then turns around and gets his panties in a bind when we don't follow him, and challenge him with the scriptures and point out that we have no intention of bowing to people like womack or creflo dollar....

sorry for the long post, it's just that to me this is really a matter of catholics having a speck in their eye and you having a log. And it's not that difficult to see my point.... IF, you are honest.

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Originally posted by mikejuli

Stop the whining dude, you seem to have no problem abusing us, so deal with your won darkness and stop being a whiner. Anyway, all us Catholics are led by the holy spirit too.. Every sect out there claims the same thing, so your words, as I have stated only prove your own beliefs at fault. Prove you are led by the spirit, don't tell me, otherwise I am left no option other than to accept you claim over that of the ancient church..

Anyway, your martyr complex isn't gomna work here, just letting you know. Manipulation was a thing I put behind me when I returned to the ancient church and myself and the other Catholics here simply will not put up with it. If your argument is only going to hide behind manipulating then all that tells me is that you don't have an argument, and I win.

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Originally posted by mikejuli

Bless you child,
now i dont know the holy spirit and am not led by god?
Since you hate me that much you are truly in the dark.

It's obvious that you not know the holy spirit let alone be led by god..

You are led by anti catholic polemic and this shows.


See how easy it is to play your game? Easy. I'm sorry to have to point out the error of your ways, and not surprised that you would try to blame me for your manipulation. It's what manipultors do child.

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