Can Roman Catholics pretend to be born-again?
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Is it possible that by refraining from many sins
diligently frequenting church and attending sacraments,
that Roman Catholics can still be in SIN,
pretending to be regenerated without being so?
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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Is this your idea of a trick question? Catholics don't need to "pretend to be born again." We are saved and born again through our Baptism which initiates us into the Mystical Body of Christ and through His infusion of grace through the Sacraments He guides us on the road to Salvation.
The Sacrament of Reconciliation is always offered and encouraged before receiving any Sacrament so we can receive His grace in full measure.
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An odd question which contradicts itself.
"Attending" sacraments? 
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Is it possible that by refraining from many sins
diligently frequenting church and attending sacraments,
that Roman Catholics can still be in SIN,
pretending to be regenerated without being so?
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Originally posted by heavenlysecrets
Is this your idea of a trick question? Catholics don't need to "pretend to be born again." We are saved and born again through our Baptism which initiates us into the Mystical Body of Christ and through His infusion of grace through the Sacraments He guides us on the road to Salvation.
The Sacrament of Reconciliation is always offered and encouraged before receiving any Sacrament so we can receive His grace in full measure.
Your reply is that you are saved, but not saved.
How interesting!
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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Originally posted by heavenlysecrets
Is this your idea of a trick question? Catholics don't need to "pretend to be born again." We are saved and born again through our Baptism which initiates us into the Mystical Body of Christ and through His infusion of grace through the Sacraments He guides us on the road to Salvation.
The Sacrament of Reconciliation is always offered and encouraged before receiving any Sacrament so we can receive His grace in full measure.
If you believe that catholics are saved, [Born again] through water baptism, Then you'll have to admitt that most catholics aren't saved, Because they aren't baptised the Bibleical way.
original Greek texts, You'll know that water baptism doesn't save.
Your problem is,
You believe the poep's porkies and the catholic con-men, Rather than the truth.
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I've said this before. Through Christ's Death and Resurrection, we are REDEEMED. Through our Baptism we are SAVED. Big difference. Because Christ had paid the price for our sins (redeemed) Heaven is now a possibility for us to attain salvation through our Baptism and continued growth in the Holy Spirit.(saved). My free will allows me to accept or reject God's graces. Since I went to Confession this past Saturday evening, I believe I will be saved if I die today. If I decide to kill my next door neighbor for blasting his music too loud, my salvation is in jeopardy. Believe it or not, sin actually affects the state of our soul. Beware of doctrines that teach otherwise.
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Is it possible that by refraining from many sins
diligently frequenting church and attending sacraments,
that Roman Catholics can still be in SIN,
pretending to be regenerated without being so?
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Originally posted by heavenlysecrets
I've said this before. Through Christ's Death and Resurrection, we are REDEEMED. Through our Baptism we are SAVED. Big difference. Because Christ had paid the price for our sins (redeemed) Heaven is now a possibility for us to attain salvation through our Baptism and continued growth in the Holy Spirit.(saved). My free will allows me to accept or reject God's graces. Since I went to Confession this past Saturday evening, I believe I will be saved if I die today. If I decide to kill my next door neighbor for blasting his music too loud, my salvation is in jeopardy. Believe it or not, sin actually affects the state of our soul. Beware of doctrines that teach otherwise.
So you think you are saved because of works?
It seems that the sacrifice on the cross was fairly useless,
as you claim to be saved because of your confession.
Born-again believers give all the glory to God.
You have made your point quite clearly.
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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Is it possible that by refraining from many sins
diligently frequenting church and attending sacraments,
that Roman Catholics can still be in SIN,
pretending to be regenerated without being so?
"Diligently frequenting church?"
As in...following the Commandment to keep the Lord's Day holy?
"Attending sacraments?"
As instituted by Christ?
Is it possible to say that a "born again Christian" is regenerated when one refuses to convert from sin and follow Christ's Commandments, to acknowledge that mortal sin exists, or to reprent of those sins?
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Originally posted by heavenlysecrets
I've said this before. Through Christ's Death and Resurrection, we are REDEEMED. Through our Baptism we are SAVED. Big difference. Because Christ had paid the price for our sins (redeemed) Heaven is now a possibility for us to attain salvation through our Baptism and continued growth in the Holy Spirit.(saved). My free will allows me to accept or reject God's graces. Since I went to Confession this past Saturday evening, I believe I will be saved if I die today. If I decide to kill my next door neighbor for blasting his music too loud, my salvation is in jeopardy. Believe it or not, sin actually affects the state of our soul. Beware of doctrines that teach otherwise.
Redeemed, Saved and born again are all the same thing.
And if you knew the Bible and the original Greek Bible text, You would know that water baptism doesn't save, Redeem or get one born again.
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... water baptism doesn't save, Redeem or get one born again.
The Apostles call your man-made gospel a lie:
Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; Romans 6:4; Acts 22:16; Col 2:11-12; and 1 Peter 3:21.
Additionally, the ancient Nicene Creed (381 A.D.) states that "we believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin."
P.S. Interesting...as well... that you fail to follow your own man-made doctrine in which text must be verified in 3 other places in Scripture.
Not only is "baptism for the forgiveness of sin" quoted more than 3 times in Sacred Scripture, 3 Apostles make those quotes.
Edited by bwellmysoul on 08/06/2012 11:47:47
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Originally posted by Conqueror
Is it possible that by refraining from many sins
diligently frequenting church and attending sacraments,
that Roman Catholics can still be in SIN,
pretending to be regenerated without being so?
Good thread Conqueror! 
Welcome on the catholic merry do round!
Shalom
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Is it possible that by refraining from many sins
diligently frequenting church and attending sacraments,
that Roman Catholics can still be in SIN,
pretending to be regenerated without being so?
Bless you child
It is clear from your lack of understanding that you are in the dark
Worrying about silly possibilities and clear stereotypes is not what I expect from a person led by the holy spirit and yet after so many dialogues with anti Catholics i find that I cannot really expect anything less.
My response, which only takes a little common sense is yes. Catholics can absolutely pretend or even assume they are saved... Just like you, just like non Catholics and even just like Evan or g4.
I have asked you on the other thread to prove your saved and you did not respond. Now I will ask you to prove that your not pretending to be saved.
When I was a non catholic, it was common to see people going to fellowship, prayer meetings, revival meetings, tithing, etc, was but I wonder how many we're just pretending to be saved? I know many who ended up being not really saved to begin with.
It really isn't any different as a catholic. People can be there and not truly know the truth, or have faith to follow it. I suppose this again is only a justification for the catholic outlook on claiming to be saved. We aren't a confused group of people waiting to see who next ends up not being saved to begin with, rather we approach gods grace with faith and trust.
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I don't have to prove a thing.
You are the one who makes outrageous claims
about being born-again, having all the truth etc.
Having a relationship with Jesus,
doesn't mean turning to the pope for interpretation.
Abuse me all you like,
but you need to prove that your claims are not farcical.
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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Bless you child
More abuse and accusation only proves your lack of guidance by the holy spirit
I'm not sure how much more abuse I can take, and now you back out and claim you cannot even offer proof of your claim of salvation?
Come out of the darkness child, there is a love that burns brighter than the fire of the sun waiting.
My relationship with Jesus doesn't mean I need to turn to you for an interpretation, nor does it require me to reject the tradition of the church, be it from our pastor today, or the apostles of old.
Did you ever wonder what you would do if you had Peter or Paul teaching at your church? Would you have listened to them or rejected them because you don't need to turn to them for interpretation? And yet the writing of Paul especially are an example of Paul asserting his authority. If all people needed was the holy spirit to guide them, then Paul didn't need to write one word of scripture did he? And yet we see Paul asserting his authority time and again. You wouldn't tolerate a Paul, or a Peter. Rather your like Israel of old, where each man did what was right in their own eyes.
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Originally posted by Conqueror
Is it possible that by refraining from many sins
diligently frequenting church and attending sacraments,
that Roman Catholics can still be in SIN,
pretending to be regenerated without being so?
Good thread Conqueror!
Welcome on the catholic merry do round!
Shalom
Ha, I don't know which is funnier - "Good thread Conqueror" or "Catholic merry go round".
If only you could realize the multidimensional irony in calling this boy "Conqueror"...
And if this is a Catholic merry-go-round, then we are the ones joyfully riding you - the plastic horses - as you go 'round and 'round in some kind of mental purgatory.
"Be good, keep your feet dry, your eyes open, your heart at peace and your soul in the joy of Christ." - Thomas Merton
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Edited by acumenCry on 08/06/2012 18:58:16
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I don't have to prove a thing.
You are the one who makes outrageous claims
about being born-again, having all the truth etc.
Having a relationship with Jesus,
doesn't mean turning to the pope for interpretation.
Abuse me all you like,
but you need to prove that your claims are not farcical.
Maybe because you can't prove a thing.
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. - James 2:18
And nobody is abusing you, dude. Could you imagine Paul being refuted by a pagan and being like, "Geez guys, take it easy. "? If you truly believe what you claim, then stand up like a man and defend it. Come, let us reason. As adults. Your cry baby martyr act is not childlike, but childish.
"Be good, keep your feet dry, your eyes open, your heart at peace and your soul in the joy of Christ." - Thomas Merton
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