EVANGELIST VS RELIGION
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Hi Evangelist and others,I can see you are against religion, but can you people please show where the Bible rejects religion.
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Originally posted by michael
The reason Catholics do not believe the link you gave is because it is a link to Creflo Dollar religion & we do not believe into Creflo Dollar religion.
Why are you putting Creflo Dollar between you & the bible if you say you believe in the bible alone?
Why would you link us to a fallible man & his religion?
You say you are against religion but you give us a link to Creflo Dollar religion, why?
Why do you believe into & conform to a link to someone, Creflo Dollar a fallible man & his religion?
Is the bible alone too difficult for you that you need to put Creflo Dollar between you & the bible?
Tough questions, but Evangelist will simply ignore them, dodge them or bring up another link and life goes on. When a suposedly Christian man comes here even promoting atheist websites we have to wonder. He says that posting Bible texts would be a waste of his time, but telling us to visit an atheist website is not a waste of his time. I have serious reservations about the poster who calls himself Evangelist. Just look how he tries to oppose the Bible at every corner, refusing to believe what it says.
If he is a Christian, is he a Christian based on what when he rejects the Bible (unless he can find a way to distort its meaning)?
If he does not believe the Bible why does he pretend to be a Bible-believing, saved, born again Christian?
Something is terribly wrong somewhere!
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Originally posted by Kamati
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Originally posted by evangelist
If you don't believe thw link I gave you which gave many of your answers to the questions you ask me, how would you accept or believe what I write?
First, I will believe what you write if it agrees with what the Bible says (or at least if it does not contradict what the Bible says.)
Second, a link remains a link and you have not yet provided any proof that those posting such links have any authority to teach and they are not merely self-appointed teachers.
I do believe the Bible when it says at latter times false teachers would appear and when it says we should not believe every spirit and that we should test every thing.
Third, you have also not given me any reason why I should believe them and why I should not instead believe those who disagree with them. In short you did not tell me why that link is more trustworthy than the Bible.
Fourthly, here is what you need to do: go to the link in question and take the part that you want me to believe, transcribe it and post it here. That is what we do with the Bible (we take a text and post it here) and that is what you have to do with your favourite link.
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Originally posted by evangelist
Do you only take written words from people over the oral like we do the bible??
No! I simply refuse to believe anyone who contradicts what the Bible says.
And here is what the Bible says:
1 Timothy 5:4
But if a widow has children or grandchildren, let these first learn to perform their religious duty to their own family and to make recompense to their parents, for this is pleasing to God.
James 1:27
Religion that is pure and undefiled before God and the Father is this: to care for orphans and widows in their affliction and to keep oneself unstained by the world.
Look, I started this thread to expose your continued attacks against religion. You launch your malicious attacks without trying to, at least, differentiate between vain religion and religion that is pure and pleasing to God
I will never contradict you when you finally start opposing vain religion and accepting religion that is pure and undefiled before God.
DR Creflo Dollar has alot of well qualified leadership with anointing of the gift to teach and also His master degree in teaching and master degree in biblical scholarship!
http://www.creflodollarministries.org/About/mp4help.aspx
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by michael
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by Kamati
Evangelist and others,
I can see you are against religion, but can you people please show where the Bible rejects religion.
After so many posts, my opening question remains unanswered. Why?
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Originally posted by evangelist
The link has given more bible text than I can give with a flip flop explantions showing both side of the walls!
It is expalin how religion has corrupted so many truth and the reason why they did it and who done it!
http://www.creflodollarministries.org/About/mp4help.aspx
I think you and your cronies need at least an hour in a class of logic.
Religion has corrupted so many. That is fact, but does that mean religion should be rejected even when the Bible says there is religion that is pure and pleasing to God? Should we reject what the Bible says simply because religion has corrupted some people?
Try the same line of argument on scriptures and see how wrong you are.
Scriptures have been misunderstood and abused by many to their own destruction (cf. 2 Peter 3:16).
Now, does that mean we should reject scriptures?
Simply because many have misunderstood scriptures (some have even used scriptures to promote suicide to free their saved spirits from their evil bodies) ... does that now mean scriptures are evil and should be rejected?
If you say “no”, then do the same with religion. Religion can be vain, it can be abused, it can be misunderstood BUT ... religion per se is not the problem. Religion is Biblical and I have given you the scriptural support for what I am saying.
You can go around the internet looking for as many lying websites as you what, what you will never be able to do is explain why Paul encourages the practice of religion if religion is evil.
If you don't believe thw link I gave you which gave many of your answers to the questions you ask me , how would you accept or believe what I write?
Do you only take written words from people over the oral like we do the bible??
one love
The reason Catholics do not believe the link you gave is because it is a link to Creflo Dollar religion & we do not believe into Creflo Dollar religion.
Why are you putting Creflo Dollar between you & the bible if you say you believe in the bible alone?
Why would you link us to a fallible man & his religion?
You say you are against religion but you give us a link to Creflo Dollar religion, why?
Why do you believe into & conform to a link to someone, Creflo Dollar a fallible man & his religion?
Is the bible alone too difficult for you that you need to put Creflo Dollar between you & the bible?
Then just use the biblical scripture he mention and taught from in contexts of the scripture showing religion at work!
http://www.creflodollarministries.org/About/mp4help.aspx
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by mikejuli
A link isn't an answer Evan. Anyway it won't come up on my computer for some reason. If you don't have an answer just say so. We're used to it.
Just to make you happy I won't give you the answer just like you won't even ask other here who heard what Creflo dollar said about religion VS our righteousness to get your answer in which I would write the same as he has teached on that link you can't watch!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by evangelist
DR Creflo Dollar has alot of well qualified leadership with anointing of the gift to teach and also His master degree in teaching and master degree in biblical scholarship!
http://www.creflodollarministries.org/About/mp4help.aspx
What you failed to tell us is that Dr. Creflo Dollar also believes that Jesus is not God and whoever denies the Divinity of Christ is not a Christian. So much for his anointing.
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Originally posted by evangelist
Then just use the biblical scripture he mention and taught from in contexts of the scripture showing religion at work!
http://www.creflodollarministries.org/About/mp4help.aspx
Creflo Dollar himself is an example of vain religion at work. He teaches that Jesus is not God, but on the other hand he believes Creflo is equal to God.
That is the man you have chosen to believe while rejecting the Bible.
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by mikejuli
A link isn't an answer Evan. Anyway it won't come up on my computer for some reason. If you don't have an answer just say so. We're used to it.
Just to make you happy I won't give you the answer just like you won't even ask other here who heard what Creflo dollar said about religion VS our righteousness to get your answer in which I would write the same as he has teached on that link you can't watch!
one love
Evangelist has enough time to surf the internet to find links to post, but when asked to present Biblical evidence proving his allegation that religion as a whole is evil, he says doing that would be a waste of his time.
The man who has enough time to find even atheistic websites and time to encourage us to access atheistic websites, has no time to find a Bible text that says religion is bad, evil and should be rejected. Why?
It is because there is none!
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Originally posted by Kamati
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by mikejuli
A link isn't an answer Evan. Anyway it won't come up on my computer for some reason. If you don't have an answer just say so. We're used to it.
Just to make you happy I won't give you the answer just like you won't even ask other here who heard what Creflo dollar said about religion VS our righteousness to get your answer in which I would write the same as he has teached on that link you can't watch!
one love
Evangelist has enough time to surf the internet to find links to post, but when asked to present Biblical evidence proving his allegation that religion as a whole is evil, he says doing that would be a waste of his time.
The man who has enough time to find even atheistic websites and time to encourage us to access atheistic websites, has no time to find a Bible text that says religion is bad, evil and should be rejected. Why?
It is because there is none!
http://mediasuite.multicastmedia.com/player.php?v=oqu0ai10
Creflo deal with Religion and the today pharisees or religious churchy and people!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Fifth Member
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Member since 07/20/2012
Location: Namibia
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by Kamati
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by mikejuli
A link isn't an answer Evan. Anyway it won't come up on my computer for some reason. If you don't have an answer just say so. We're used to it.
Just to make you happy I won't give you the answer just like you won't even ask other here who heard what Creflo dollar said about religion VS our righteousness to get your answer in which I would write the same as he has teached on that link you can't watch!
one love
Evangelist has enough time to surf the internet to find links to post, but when asked to present Biblical evidence proving his allegation that religion as a whole is evil, he says doing that would be a waste of his time.
The man who has enough time to find even atheistic websites and time to encourage us to access atheistic websites, has no time to find a Bible text that says religion is bad, evil and should be rejected. Why?
It is because there is none!
http://mediasuite.multicastmedia.com/player.php?v=oqu0ai10
Creflo deal with Religion and the today pharisees or religious churchy and people!
one love
Yes, that is what he does and he is wrong on religion just as he is wrong on Jesus ... he says Jesus is not God and you believe him. He says he is equal to God and you believe him; he rejects religion (thereby rejecting what the Bible says) and you believe him.
He is your pope and your pope is wrong.
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It is ironic that so many Protestants equate the Pharisees with "religion" and Catholicism on account of their rules.
Jesus did not condemn the Pharisees for following God's Law - not once. He did condemn them for making up laws that God never gave in order to get around God's laws.
So the modern day equivalent is not the Catholic Church or "religion" in general, but bad religion in the form of many Pentecostal and Fundamentalist sects. Those that make up rules like "thou shalt not smoke" or "thou shalt not drink any alcohol", but then say it is OK to use birth control to cut off God's command to be fruitful. God says we are to keep holy the Lord's Day, but some modern Pharisees say that we only need to go worship four times a year, and others that it does not even matter if we gather together at all.
The Bible says so many things that are very important and modern Pharisees come up with all sorts of excuses as to why we don't need to listen to the Word of God.
Yes, there is bad religion. Any religion that tells us that we don't have to obey God or that we can go it alone with our "interpretation" of Jesus, is a bad religion. But there is also Pure Religion that the Bible says is good and pleasing to God.
Jesus established authority on earth through His Church. This authority remains present in His Church even through to today. His Law remains and is not burdensome.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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