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At Mass today, the readings seemed especially relevant to one of the big problems facing modern Christianity. The separation of Faith and Religion. While there is such a thing as "bad religion", religion is not itself a bad thing, and certainly not discouraged in the Bible. On the contrary. The definition of "religion" is as follows: quote:
re·li·gion
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1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
SourceIn the New Testament, the word used from the Greek is associated with "religious worship" and its practice, including rituals. The Bible does not say that religion is bad. Or religious practice. In fact, many of our religious practices, whether in the OT or the NEW, were ordained by God. It is only when men started adding to them to make them suit their own desires that there was ever a problem. God gave commandments for our benefit. In the OT, they helped God's people to live in the world HE created, separated from the rest who were not yet ready for God. In the NT, they continue to help God's people prepare for the world to come. Deuteronomy 41 "Now, Israel, hear the statutes and decrees which I am teaching you to observe, that you may live, and may enter in and take possession of the land which the LORD, the God of your fathers, is giving you.
2 In your observance of the commandments of the LORD, your God, which I enjoin upon you, you shall not add to what I command you nor subtract from it.
6 Observe them carefully, for thus will you give evidence of your wisdom and intelligence to the nations, who will hear of all these statutes and say, 'This great nation is truly a wise and intelligent people.'
7 For what great nation is there that has gods so close to it as the LORD, our God, is to us whenever we call upon him?
8 Or what great nation has statutes and decrees that are as just as this whole law which I am setting before you today?What God asked was not so bad. His Laws were just and good. How could they not be? All Good comes from God, including His Laws. His Word is Law. And His Word is Good. James 117 all good giving and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no alteration or shadow caused by change.
18 He willed to give us birth by the word of truth that we may be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
21 Therefore, put away all filth and evil excess and humbly welcome the word that has been planted in you and is able to save your souls.
22 Be doers of the word and not hearers only, deluding yourselves.
27 Religion that is pure and undefiled before God and the Father is this: to care for orphans and widows in their affliction and to keep oneself unstained by the world. God desires that we do have "religion" as He ordained it. True religion is exercised by bringing forth good fruits. These are identified by Christ in His Gospel (the one actually recorded in the Gospel accounts written by the four Evangelists in the Bible, not any of the many manufactured easy-peasy gospels being spread around today) and as indicated in verse 27 above in James 1. "...care for orphans and widows in their affliction and to keep oneself unstained by the world" - caring for widows and orphans does not mean directing them to a scripture verse and telling them that it means that they just have to receive what God wants them to have. It means actually ensuring that they have their needs met, including shelter, food and clothing. And note especially that James also writes that we are to keep ourselves unstained by the world - this means that sin does affect us and we are supposed to keep ourselves in check or we will be stained - defiled and therefore unworthy of salvation. This is our part, not God's part. Jesus helps us. The Holy Spirit helps us. And the Father is always willing to forgive - but we need to avoid sin, and if we stumble we must repent of it. Here is another example of the difference between pure religion and bad religion: Mark 71 Now when the Pharisees with some scribes who had come from Jerusalem gathered around him,
2 they observed that some of his disciples ate their meals with unclean, that is, unwashed, hands.
3 (For the Pharisees and, in fact, all Jews, do not eat without carefully washing their hands, keeping the tradition of the elders.
4 And on coming from the marketplace they do not eat without purifying themselves. And there are many other things that they have traditionally observed, the purification of cups and jugs and kettles (and beds).)
5 So the Pharisees and scribes questioned him, "Why do your disciples not follow the tradition of the elders but instead eat a meal with unclean hands?"
6 He responded, "Well did Isaiah prophesy about you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me;
7 In vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines human precepts.'
8 You disregard God's commandment but cling to human tradition."
14 He summoned the crowd again and said to them, "Hear me, all of you, and understand.
15 Nothing that enters one from outside can defile that person; but the things that come out from within are what defile."
21 From within people, from their hearts, come evil thoughts, unchastity, theft, murder,
22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, licentiousness, envy, blasphemy, arrogance, folly.
23 All these evils come from within and they defile." The Pharisees and scribes prided themselves on being knowledgable about the Law. Paul himself said that when he was a Pharisee, he was blameless before the Law. This was something they were very big on. So much so that they kept not only God's Laws perfectly, but every little extra added on to it. The "elders" mentioned above had the authority to bind and loose just as the Christian "elders" also have. But the Jewish "elders" who sat on Moses seat, sometimes bound heavy burdens on the people. God never commanded that we wash our hands before we ate. It is a good practice for many reasons, but it was never a commandment of God. What God commanded was that the priests in the service of God in the Temple wash their hands, etc., before performing their priestly duties. Before making sacrifices, etc. The priests had to be ritually clean before being even being ordained. But the "elders" made it a tradition that all wash their hands before handling food or eating. And yet, they also made a tradition whereby a person could pay a special donation to the Temple, the Corban, and thus be relieved of their responsibility to look after their parents in their old age. This latter tradition is the example Christ gave to help us to know the difference between a bad man-made tradition and Sacred Tradition that was handed down to us from Christ and His Apostles. The Corban was a man-made tradition that voided a commandment of God. Men cannot do that. Not even a Pope. And certainly not a Televangelist or Internet Preacher. In Mark 7, Jesus chastised them for confusing the important elements of God's religion and adding their own elements and warned that it was not what came from outside the body that defiled. Eating unwashed food was not a danger to their soul. But what came from within. All unrighteousness comes from within, beginning in our heart and flowing out from there to become actions. 21 From within people, from their hearts, come evil thoughts, unchastity, theft, murder,
22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, licentiousness, envy, blasphemy, arrogance, folly.
23 All these evils come from within and they defile."People are quick to say that God doesn't look at externals like men do, God only judges what is in our hearts. That is right. But that is often misinterpreted to mean that if we believe, that "belief" is the only thing God sees in our heart - not so. Matthew 5 shows how it will be under the New Covenant. The letter of the law is no longer an issue. The Spirit of the Law prevails. No more loopholes. If we desire a sinful action, that is itself a sin. And this sin is not washed away until after we have repented of it. Not once did Jesus ever condemen anyone for obeying God or doing anything that God commanded. Jesus did condemn those who went against what God commanded, and even in the OT, God condemned those who sought to cheat at God's commandments by offering damaged or otherwise improper sacrifices. True religion is not bad, but there are bad teachers. Those that go against the Word of God and twist the scriptures to their own destruction. From beginning to end, the Bible is full of religious rituals and traditions. These are all good things. God knows us and what we need to help us remember, and to live as He would have us live. The Father did not send the Son to die for HIS mistakes. God did not err. Jesus did not come to do away with all that God had built up from the beginning. Jesus came to perfect it. All that came before is now in its perfect form. Not dropped or done away with, but made better. Made perfect. We no longer sacrifice goats and bulls, now we have the perfect once for all offering of Christ to offer every day and when we unite our own offerings with that perfect offering - not remade but represented - our own offerings become perfect before God. The Commandments did not cease. The New Testament confirms that they are still very much in effect, even Paul affirmed this in Romans 13, when he showed how these were connected to the Law of Love. But now that Love is made perfect by knowing that everything we do affects others and that if love our neighbour we won't do anything that would harm him or her in any way. Many do not like "religion" because they do not want to be told what to do. But the Bible is full of instructions to be obedient, not only to God but even to earthly authorities. Obedience is a primary theme throughout the Bible, from beginning to end. There is no getting away from it. True religion helps us to be all that God wants us to be. It is why Jesus established a Church rather than just issuing a Bible. Christ's Church is described in the Bible and it has a structure with a heirarchy and rituals and rules. It has Bishops and Elders and Deacons. The Apostles and their successors were granted the authority to bind and loose, and they exercised it as shown in the first Council in Jerusalem described in Acts 15. Paul wrote under Inspiration that the Pillar and Ground of Truth is the Church, not the Bible. And Jesus instructed us that if we could not settle a dispute amongst ourselves we were to take it to The Church to settle, and if the person did not listen to the Church, they were to be excommunicated. Paul gave us an example of what this meant in 1 Corinthians 5, where he warned Christians that if one of our own was continuing to participate in sin even after being warned that we were to separate ourselves from that person and expell him from the community. Excommunication. People don't like religion because sometimes Churches tell people that they shouldn't engage in sinful acts. Well guess what? That is why Jesus established the Church, and it is to our shame that more Churches do not preach obedience to God from the pulpit. It is the job of every servant of God to warn his neighbour against sin. It is our duty as Christians to warn our brothers and sisters in Christ to return to Christ when we see any walking after the flesh. This is part of the benefit of being in the Body of Christ - we can look out for one another, and as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 5, we are to judge those who are within the Body, God will judge those who are without. And lest any think that this means that those within won't be judged by God, well Paul and Jesus both indicated that born again Christians who continue in sin (any serious sin) will be cast out of the Body and will be "without". Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Those who are hearers of the Word, but not doers of the Word, are deluding themselves. That is what the Bible says.
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Those who are hearers of the Word, but not doers of the Word, are deluding themselves. That is what the Bible says.
I will sit back and wait for the delivery of the first episode of free entertaiment coming from Evangelist. He will deny what the Bible says, come up with a lot of stratagems as to why the Bible does not mean what it says, etc, etc.
Evangelist, the floor is yours ...
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At Mass today, the readings seemed especially relevant to one of the big problems facing modern Christianity. The separation of Faith and Religion.
While there is such a thing as "bad religion", religion is not itself a bad thing, and certainly not discouraged in the Bible. On the contrary.
The definition of "religion" is as follows:
quote:
re·li·gion
[ri-lij-uhn] Show IPA
noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
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In the New Testament, the word used from the Greek is associated with "religious worship" and its practice, including rituals.
The Bible does not say that religion is bad. Or religious practice. In fact, many of our religious practices, whether in the OT or the NEW, were ordained by God. It is only when men started adding to them to make them suit their own desires that there was ever a problem.
God gave commandments for our benefit. In the OT, they helped God's people to live in the world HE created, separated from the rest who were not yet ready for God. In the NT, they continue to help God's people prepare for the world to come.
Deuteronomy 4
1 "Now, Israel, hear the statutes and decrees which I am teaching you to observe, that you may live, and may enter in and take possession of the land which the LORD, the God of your fathers, is giving you.
2 In your observance of the commandments of the LORD, your God, which I enjoin upon you, you shall not add to what I command you nor subtract from it.
6 Observe them carefully, for thus will you give evidence of your wisdom and intelligence to the nations, who will hear of all these statutes and say, 'This great nation is truly a wise and intelligent people.'
7 For what great nation is there that has gods so close to it as the LORD, our God, is to us whenever we call upon him?
8 Or what great nation has statutes and decrees that are as just as this whole law which I am setting before you today?
What God asked was not so bad. His Laws were just and good. How could they not be?
All Good comes from God, including His Laws. His Word is Law. And His Word is Good.
James 1
17 all good giving and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no alteration or shadow caused by change.
18 He willed to give us birth by the word of truth that we may be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
21 Therefore, put away all filth and evil excess and humbly welcome the word that has been planted in you and is able to save your souls.
22 Be doers of the word and not hearers only, deluding yourselves.
27 Religion that is pure and undefiled before God and the Father is this: to care for orphans and widows in their affliction and to keep oneself unstained by the world.
God desires that we do have "religion" as He ordained it. True religion is exercised by bringing forth good fruits. These are identified by Christ in His Gospel (the one actually recorded in the Gospel accounts written by the four Evangelists in the Bible, not any of the many manufactured easy-peasy gospels being spread around today) and as indicated in verse 27 above in James 1.
"...care for orphans and widows in their affliction and to keep oneself unstained by the world" - caring for widows and orphans does not mean directing them to a scripture verse and telling them that it means that they just have to receive what God wants them to have. It means actually ensuring that they have their needs met, including shelter, food and clothing.
And note especially that James also writes that we are to keep ourselves unstained by the world - this means that sin does affect us and we are supposed to keep ourselves in check or we will be stained - defiled and therefore unworthy of salvation. This is our part, not God's part. Jesus helps us. The Holy Spirit helps us. And the Father is always willing to forgive - but we need to avoid sin, and if we stumble we must repent of it.
Here is another example of the difference between pure religion and bad religion:
Mark 7
1 Now when the Pharisees with some scribes who had come from Jerusalem gathered around him,
2 they observed that some of his disciples ate their meals with unclean, that is, unwashed, hands.
3 (For the Pharisees and, in fact, all Jews, do not eat without carefully washing their hands, keeping the tradition of the elders.
4 And on coming from the marketplace they do not eat without purifying themselves. And there are many other things that they have traditionally observed, the purification of cups and jugs and kettles (and beds).)
5 So the Pharisees and scribes questioned him, "Why do your disciples not follow the tradition of the elders but instead eat a meal with unclean hands?"
6 He responded, "Well did Isaiah prophesy about you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me;
7 In vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines human precepts.'
8 You disregard God's commandment but cling to human tradition."
14 He summoned the crowd again and said to them, "Hear me, all of you, and understand.
15 Nothing that enters one from outside can defile that person; but the things that come out from within are what defile."
21 From within people, from their hearts, come evil thoughts, unchastity, theft, murder,
22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, licentiousness, envy, blasphemy, arrogance, folly.
23 All these evils come from within and they defile."
The Pharisees and scribes prided themselves on being knowledgable about the Law. Paul himself said that when he was a Pharisee, he was blameless before the Law. This was something they were very big on. So much so that they kept not only God's Laws perfectly, but every little extra added on to it.
The "elders" mentioned above had the authority to bind and loose just as the Christian "elders" also have. But the Jewish "elders" who sat on Moses seat, sometimes bound heavy burdens on the people.
God never commanded that we wash our hands before we ate. It is a good practice for many reasons, but it was never a commandment of God. What God commanded was that the priests in the service of God in the Temple wash their hands, etc., before performing their priestly duties. Before making sacrifices, etc. The priests had to be ritually clean before being even being ordained.
But the "elders" made it a tradition that all wash their hands before handling food or eating. And yet, they also made a tradition whereby a person could pay a special donation to the Temple, the Corban, and thus be relieved of their responsibility to look after their parents in their old age.
This latter tradition is the example Christ gave to help us to know the difference between a bad man-made tradition and Sacred Tradition that was handed down to us from Christ and His Apostles. The Corban was a man-made tradition that voided a commandment of God. Men cannot do that. Not even a Pope. And certainly not a Televangelist or Internet Preacher.
In Mark 7, Jesus chastised them for confusing the important elements of God's religion and adding their own elements and warned that it was not what came from outside the body that defiled. Eating unwashed food was not a danger to their soul. But what came from within. All unrighteousness comes from within, beginning in our heart and flowing out from there to become actions.
21 From within people, from their hearts, come evil thoughts, unchastity, theft, murder,
22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, licentiousness, envy, blasphemy, arrogance, folly.
23 All these evils come from within and they defile."
People are quick to say that God doesn't look at externals like men do, God only judges what is in our hearts. That is right. But that is often misinterpreted to mean that if we believe, that "belief" is the only thing God sees in our heart - not so. Matthew 5 shows how it will be under the New Covenant. The letter of the law is no longer an issue. The Spirit of the Law prevails. No more loopholes. If we desire a sinful action, that is itself a sin. And this sin is not washed away until after we have repented of it.
Not once did Jesus ever condemen anyone for obeying God or doing anything that God commanded. Jesus did condemn those who went against what God commanded, and even in the OT, God condemned those who sought to cheat at God's commandments by offering damaged or otherwise improper sacrifices.
True religion is not bad, but there are bad teachers. Those that go against the Word of God and twist the scriptures to their own destruction.
From beginning to end, the Bible is full of religious rituals and traditions. These are all good things. God knows us and what we need to help us remember, and to live as He would have us live.
The Father did not send the Son to die for HIS mistakes. God did not err. Jesus did not come to do away with all that God had built up from the beginning. Jesus came to perfect it.
All that came before is now in its perfect form. Not dropped or done away with, but made better. Made perfect.
We no longer sacrifice goats and bulls, now we have the perfect once for all offering of Christ to offer every day and when we unite our own offerings with that perfect offering - not remade but represented - our own offerings become perfect before God.
The Commandments did not cease. The New Testament confirms that they are still very much in effect, even Paul affirmed this in Romans 13, when he showed how these were connected to the Law of Love. But now that Love is made perfect by knowing that everything we do affects others and that if love our neighbour we won't do anything that would harm him or her in any way.
Many do not like "religion" because they do not want to be told what to do. But the Bible is full of instructions to be obedient, not only to God but even to earthly authorities. Obedience is a primary theme throughout the Bible, from beginning to end. There is no getting away from it.
True religion helps us to be all that God wants us to be. It is why Jesus established a Church rather than just issuing a Bible. Christ's Church is described in the Bible and it has a structure with a heirarchy and rituals and rules. It has Bishops and Elders and Deacons. The Apostles and their successors were granted the authority to bind and loose, and they exercised it as shown in the first Council in Jerusalem described in Acts 15.
Paul wrote under Inspiration that the Pillar and Ground of Truth is the Church, not the Bible. And Jesus instructed us that if we could not settle a dispute amongst ourselves we were to take it to The Church to settle, and if the person did not listen to the Church, they were to be excommunicated.
Paul gave us an example of what this meant in 1 Corinthians 5, where he warned Christians that if one of our own was continuing to participate in sin even after being warned that we were to separate ourselves from that person and expell him from the community. Excommunication.
People don't like religion because sometimes Churches tell people that they shouldn't engage in sinful acts. Well guess what? That is why Jesus established the Church, and it is to our shame that more Churches do not preach obedience to God from the pulpit. It is the job of every servant of God to warn his neighbour against sin. It is our duty as Christians to warn our brothers and sisters in Christ to return to Christ when we see any walking after the flesh.
This is part of the benefit of being in the Body of Christ - we can look out for one another, and as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 5, we are to judge those who are within the Body, God will judge those who are without. And lest any think that this means that those within won't be judged by God, well Paul and Jesus both indicated that born again Christians who continue in sin (any serious sin) will be cast out of the Body and will be "without".
There is a BIG BIG difference between religion [As the catholic religion]And TRUE Biblical religion.
To be Biblical religious, Is Being devout to God through an inward dwelling God, Out of Love for Him, And Holiness.
catholics cannot love God with the agape love of God as they aren't born again and God doesn't dwell in them.
Thats why they do religious reituals out of a need for works.
Whereas Christians are truely devoted to God by the power of indwelling Holy Spirit.
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Those who are hearers of the Word, but not doers of the Word, are deluding themselves. That is what the Bible says.
You mean like the catholics.
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Those who are hearers of the Word, but not doers of the Word, are deluding themselves. That is what the Bible says.
I will sit back and wait for the delivery of the first episode of free entertaiment coming from Evangelist. He will deny what the Bible says, come up with a lot of stratagems as to why the Bible does not mean what it says, etc, etc.
Evangelist, the floor is yours ...
You are getting mixed up, It's the catholics who deny what the Bible says.
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Originally posted by God4me
There is a BIG BIG difference between religion [As the catholic religion]And TRUE Biblical religion.
Evangelist diasgrees with you. He says all religion is bad, evil, demonic.
That is a pity that two Pentecostals can not even agree on that one.
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God4Me, if you take the Catholics out of the equation, do you agree or disagree with what I have written? You are so obsessed with attacking Catholics that you are blind to the problems affecting the rest of Christianity.
Many modern Christians are abandoning religion in any form. Rejecting outright Biblical religion in favour of a feel-good religious phylosophy.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Originally posted by God4me
To be Biblical religious, Is Being devout to God through an inward dwelling God, Out of Love for Him, And Holiness.
That is actually what we believe. Thank you!
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Originally posted by God4me
catholics cannot love God with the agape love of God as they aren't born again and God doesn't dwell in them.
Ah, the same old ”God4me says so, therefore, it must be so” ... and we already know that, that, is a delusion.
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Thats why they do religious reituals out of a need for works.
Yeah, and your source is nothing more nothing less than you delusional mind. You fear reality so much that you feel the need to continually keep fabricating an imaginary world where you determine every thing, even to a point of telling people that they actually believe what you say they believe and not what they say they believe.
Well, enjoy the fantasy!
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Originally posted by God4me
To be Biblical religious, Is Being devout to God through an inward dwelling God, Out of Love for Him, And Holiness.
That is actually what we believe. Thank you!
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Originally posted by God4me
catholics cannot love God with the agape love of God as they aren't born again and God doesn't dwell in them.
Ah, the same old ”God4me says so, therefore, it must be so” ... and we already know that that is a delusion.
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Originally posted by God4me
Whereas Christians are truely devoted to God by the power of indwelling Holy Spirit.
Yes, true Christians are truly devoted to God by the power on indwelling Holy Spirit.
1. That is why they obey all (not all some of) what Christ commanded them and they believe all (not only some of) what Jesus taught.
2. They also do not go around twisting what Jesus said.
3. When Jesus says take and eat, this is my body Christians take and eat Jesus’ body without rationalizing or walking away because it is supposedly too hard a teaching to believe (cf John 6).
4. When Jesus says His followers must take up their cross every day, they do not say it is not necessary because they are already saved.
5. When Jesus says He will give to each according to his deeds, His true followers do not contradict Him saying deeds are not necessary.
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There is a BIG BIG difference between religion [As the catholic religion]And TRUE Biblical religion.
Evangelist diasgrees with you. He says all religion is bad, evil, demonic.
That is a pity that two Pentecostals can not even agree on that one.
All religion as you know it It bad, But True Biblical religion isn't the false churches religion as I have said...WAKE UP.
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
God4Me, if you take the Catholics out of the equation, do you agree or disagree with what I have written? You are so obsessed with attacking Catholics that you are blind to the problems affecting the rest of Christianity.
Many modern Christians are abandoning religion in any form. Rejecting outright Biblical religion in favour of a feel-good religious phylosophy.
I have told you what tue Biblical religion is, WAKE UP.
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Originally posted by Kamati
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Originally posted by God4me
To be Biblical religious, Is Being devout to God through an inward dwelling God, Out of Love for Him, And Holiness.
That is actually what we believe. Thank you!
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Originally posted by God4me
catholics cannot love God with the agape love of God as they aren't born again and God doesn't dwell in them.
Ah, the same old ”God4me says so, therefore, it must be so” ... and we already know that, that, is a delusion.
STOP TELLING LIES.
If you had God in you for one minute you would know the catholic church is evil.
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Originally posted by God4me
Thats why they do religious reituals out of a need for works.
Yeah, and your source is nothing more nothing less than you delusional mind. You fear reality so much that you feel the need to continually keep fabricating an imaginary world where you determine every thing, even to a point of telling people that they actually believe what you say they believe and not what they say they believe.
Well, enjoy the fantasy!
STOIP TELLING LIES, YOU NAUGHTY PERSON.
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There is a BIG BIG difference between religion [As the catholic religion]And TRUE Biblical religion.
Evangelist diasgrees with you. He says all religion is bad, evil, demonic.
That is a pity that two Pentecostals can not even agree on that one.
All religion as you know it It bad, But True Biblical religion isn't the false churches religion as I have said...WAKE UP.
Okay, true Biblecal religion exists and evangelist is proven wrong by God4me. We can debate which religion under a different thread. For now, it is good enough that you have proven Evangelist wrong by repeatedly telling him that true Biblical religion exists.
I hope you will also agree that such true religion existed since apostolic time and continued throught the centuries and that whoever wants to learn more can find its documented activities in genuine history books.
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