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We has posters like God4me who publicly declare that they hate what the Catholic Church teaches. Please list some of the Catholic teachings you hate, oppose or simply disagree with.
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
No twisting. The Greek is plain on this matter. James the "brother" of the Lord (that would be Jesus), has different parents than Jesus. Ergo, the "brothers" of the Lord are not blood siblings. Why do you keep insisting on trying to impose your own religious philosophy onto them.
There are three James's in the new teastament.
[1]James the son of Zebedee. Matt 4: 21.
[2]James the son of Alpheus. Matt 10: 3.
[3]James the Lord's brother. Matt 13: 55.
And all have different parents.
James the brother of Jesus, Matt 13:55, Is Mary's son.
STOP TWISTING THE TRUTH, STOP TELLING LIES YOU NAUGHT EVIL WICKED HELLBOUND WOMAN.
There is no third James of Jesus mother accounted for from scriptures just James the son of Zebedee & James the son of Alpheus.
Matthew 13:55
[55] Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
Edited by michael on 07/28/2012 08:51:56
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
No twisting. The Greek is plain on this matter. James the "brother" of the Lord (that would be Jesus), has different parents than Jesus. Ergo, the "brothers" of the Lord are not blood siblings. Why do you keep insisting on trying to impose your own religious philosophy onto them.
There are three James's in the new teastament.
[1]James the son of Zebedee. Matt 4: 21.
[2]James the son of Alpheus. Matt 10: 3.
[3]James the Lord's brother. Matt 13: 55.
And all have different parents.
James the brother of Jesus, Matt 13: 55, Is Mary's son.
STOP TWISTING THE TRUTH, STOP TELLING LIES YOU NAUGHT EVIL WICKED HELLBOUND WOMAN.
James the Lord's Brother is the James #2 on your list. There were only two Apostles named James, and the Lord's brother was the son of Alpheus, and further this James was also related to another of the Lord's so-called brothers - Judas. See Acts 1:13.
There were lots of James back then, but only two were Apostles, and the Bible takes care to identify which one is which so that we can know what is going on - if a third James was introduced to the mix, then he would have been clearly identified by his father, just like the other two.
James and Joses are also clearly identified as being the children of the other Mary and not the mother of Jesus. Since the other Mary is related to the Mother of Jesus, it is doubtful that she would have named her children exactly the same as any children her "sister" had.
Further, Papias identified all four named siblings as being the children of this other Mary. He may be extra-Biblical, but he wrote very close in time to the Apostles, and he would know better than you who these people were.
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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evangelist your opposed to your protestant preconceived ideas of these things.
Protestants are predisposed to be opposed to understanding Catholic doctrines.
Whatever a Catholic says the Protestant will try to oppose it.
Protestantism teaches Protestants to have preconceived ideas about the Catholic Church due to anything not fitting their Protestantism doctrines.
Protestants create their own preconceived understandings of Catholic doctrine from their own doctrines by creating a hypothetical argument opposed to their own beliefs then pinning their preconceived hypothetical argument on to the Catholic Church.
Protestants falsely assume their preconceived hypothetical argument is real based on what they learned from Protestantism.
Protestants close themselves from input from outside Protestantism.
NOPE! I am going by what I learned and heard from the catholic here or are you saying the catholic on this board have a protestant falsely assume their preconceived hypothetical belief?
When Jesus come back He will come back with those who are dead, and those alive will be raptured away!
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Originally posted by Kamati
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by michael
evangelist your opposed to your protestant preconceived ideas of these things.
Protestants are predisposed to be opposed to understanding Catholic doctrines.
Whatever a Catholic says the Protestant will try to oppose it.
Protestantism teaches Protestants to have preconceived ideas about the Catholic Church due to anything not fitting their Protestantism doctrines.
Protestants create their own preconceived understandings of Catholic doctrine from their own doctrines by creating a hypothetical argument opposed to their own beliefs then pinning their preconceived hypothetical argument on to the Catholic Church.
Protestants falsely assume their preconceived hypothetical argument is real based on what they learned from Protestantism.
Protestants close themselves from input from outside Protestantism.
NOPE! I am going by what I learned and heard from the catholic here or are you saying the catholic on this board have a protestant falsely assume their preconceived hypothetical belief?
When Jesus come back He will come back with those who are dead, and those alive will be raptured away!
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No one left behind.
catholics with other false religions and all other sinnners will be left behind at the rapture.
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Originally posted by God4me
There are three James's in the new teastament.
[1]James the son of Zebedee. Matt 4: 21.
[2]James the son of Alpheus. Matt 10: 3.
[3]James the Lord's brother. Matt 13: 55.
And all have different parents.
James the brother of Jesus, Matt 13: 55, Is Mary's son.
James the brother of Jesus is the brother of Joseph and Judas and their mother is ... Mary the wife of Clopas. Read your Bible my dear and stop renting your ears to that lying pastor of yours.
[1]STOP TELLING LIES.
[2]STOP TWISTING THE SCRIPTURES.
Mary the wife of Clopas might have had children called,
"James Joseph and Judas", But so did Mary the mother of Jesus.
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[2]If not the Bible, Then what else.
What else? What about the Church, the pillar and ground of truth?
For your information: Jesus founded His Church and commissioned it to preach the gospel. Or do you, perhaps, have some secret information showing that at a certain stage the Church’s commission was replaced with a book? If you have such information please share it with us.
The irony is, you urge us to believe only that what is in the Bible, while you yourself believe things that are not in the Bible. Like "faith alone" and "scrpture alone" (unlike you, when I say you are wrong I have the decency of providing proof to support my claims)
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[3]If not the Bible only, Why would God say so many times,
"Don't add to His word"
Yes, we should not add to His word, but you keep adding to it. You added “faith alone” that is not in the Bible, and then you also added “Bible alone” ... that is not in the Bible either.
By the way, His word does not mean “Bible” because God’s word is not limited to the Bible – it is both written and oral.
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Why would he warn of the dangers of adding to His word?
But you keep ignoring the warning by not only adding to His word, but by twisting it to suit your theology.
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Because you add to God's word, God calls you a liar, So if God can call you are liar because you tell lies, Then I can call you a liar, Because you catholics tell lies.
You have the right to call us liars if we indeed added to God’s word, but if we did not you are sinning by telling a blatant lie. The person who adds to god’s word is you ... maybe the devil has blinded you so much that you can no longer see what you are doing.
[1]The Pillar & ground of truth, Is the Church teaching God's word, "The Bible".
And as catholics don't teach God's word, [And they admit their teachings aren't in the Bible],They are not the pillar & ground of truth, And they aren't and cannot be the TRUE Church.
You admit that Jesus founded the Church AND COMMISIONED IT TO PREACH THE GOSPEL. Where is the gospel found???. IN THE BIBLE..WAKE UP.
[2]God says don't add to His word, And you say that's right, So why do you add to His word?? WAKE UP.
[3]Faith alone isn't adding to God's word, It is agreeing with it..WAKE UP.
Faith alone, And Bible alone is in the Bible, STOP TELLING LIES YOU WICKED EVIL HELLBOUND MAN.
[4]The word spoken in oral form Has to be what God says in the Bible, What eles can it be???.
[5]I don't add to God's word, Ot twist it, It's the catholics that do that, So STOP TELLING LIES.
You are a typical catholic, They tell lies.
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Originally posted by michael
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Originally posted by God4me
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
No twisting. The Greek is plain on this matter. James the "brother" of the Lord (that would be Jesus), has different parents than Jesus. Ergo, the "brothers" of the Lord are not blood siblings. Why do you keep insisting on trying to impose your own religious philosophy onto them.
There are three James's in the new teastament.
[1]James the son of Zebedee. Matt 4: 21.
[2]James the son of Alpheus. Matt 10: 3.
[3]James the Lord's brother. Matt 13: 55.
And all have different parents.
James the brother of Jesus, Matt 13:55, Is Mary's son.
STOP TWISTING THE TRUTH, STOP TELLING LIES YOU NAUGHT EVIL WICKED HELLBOUND WOMAN.
There is no third James of Jesus mother accounted for from scriptures just James the son of Zebedee & James the son of Alpheus.
Matthew 13:55
[55] Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?
There are three James's in the new teastament.
[1]James the son of Zebedee. Matt 4: 21.
[2]James the son of Alpheus. Matt 10: 3.
[3]James the Lord's brother. Matt 13: 55.
And all have different parents.
James the brother of Jesus, Matt 13:55, Is Mary's son.
STOP TWISTING THE TRUTH, STOP TELLING LIES YOU NAUGHT EVIL WICKED HELLBOUND MAN.
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Originally posted by God4me
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
No twisting. The Greek is plain on this matter. James the "brother" of the Lord (that would be Jesus), has different parents than Jesus. Ergo, the "brothers" of the Lord are not blood siblings. Why do you keep insisting on trying to impose your own religious philosophy onto them.
There are three James's in the new teastament.
[1]James the son of Zebedee. Matt 4: 21.
[2]James the son of Alpheus. Matt 10: 3.
[3]James the Lord's brother. Matt 13: 55.
And all have different parents.
James the brother of Jesus, Matt 13: 55, Is Mary's son.
STOP TWISTING THE TRUTH, STOP TELLING LIES YOU NAUGHT EVIL WICKED HELLBOUND WOMAN.
James the Lord's Brother is the James #2 on your list. There were only two Apostles named James, and the Lord's brother was the son of Alpheus, and further this James was also related to another of the Lord's so-called brothers - Judas. See Acts 1:13.
There were lots of James back then, but only two were Apostles, and the Bible takes care to identify which one is which so that we can know what is going on - if a third James was introduced to the mix, then he would have been clearly identified by his father, just like the other two.
James and Joses are also clearly identified as being the children of the other Mary and not the mother of Jesus. Since the other Mary is related to the Mother of Jesus, it is doubtful that she would have named her children exactly the same as any children her "sister" had.
Further, Papias identified all four named siblings as being the children of this other Mary. He may be extra-Biblical, but he wrote very close in time to the Apostles, and he would know better than you who these people were.
There are three James's in the new teastament.
[1]James the son of Zebedee. Matt 4: 21.
[2]James the son of Alpheus. Matt 10: 3.
[3]James the Lord's brother. Matt 13: 55.
And all have different parents.
James the brother of Jesus, Matt 13:55, Is Mary's son.
STOP TWISTING THE TRUTH, STOP TELLING LIES YOU NAUGHT EVIL WICKED HELLBOUND WOMAN.
For the Biblical & Original Greek truth, See my post,
"Mary had other children".
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James the brother of Jesus, Matt 13:55, Is Mary's son.
In your protestant understanding of Scripture, why then did Jesus give His Mother to the Apostle John (the Greater) - who was not His blood relative?
The Apostles, St.James (the Greater) and St. John were brothers, sons of Zebedee and Salome.
The Apostle, St. James (the Less) was the son of Alpheus.
Matthew 13:55
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55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
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Edited by bwellmysoul on 08/01/2012 06:58:00
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G4Me,
You don't know....
Greek.
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James the brother of Jesus, Matt 13:55, Is Mary's son.
In your protestant understanding of Scripture, why then did Jesus give His Mother to the Apostle John (the Greater) - who was not His blood relative?
The Apostles, St.James (the Greater) and St. John were brothers, sons of Zebedee and Salome.
The Apostle, St. James (the Less) was the son of Alpheus.
Matthew 13:55
King James Version (KJV)
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55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
[1]Jesus never gave Mary to John, All He sais was, "Look at her".
Only John's gospel records that, The rest say they were afar off, So you cannot go by what the translaters say about John's account, Because you need at least two scriptures to build a doctrine.
For the truth about Maru having other childen, See my post,
"Mary had other children".
[2]You said,,
[Quote],
Matthew 13:55
King James Version (KJV)
[quote]55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
[End quote].
So Why do you say Mary didn't have other children when you gave me scriptures that prove she did??... WAKE UP.
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G4Me,
You don't know....
Greek.
I have Hebrew & Greek study Bible's, So I do know what the original Greek says, STOP TELLING LIES.
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James the brother of Jesus, Matt 13:55, Is Mary's son.
James the brother of Jesus, Matt 13:55, is the brother of Jude (Jude 1:1) and Joseph (Matt 27:56) and their mother is Mary the wife of Clopas (John 19:25).
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There are three James's in the new teastament.
[1]James the son of Zebedee. Matt 4: 21.
[2]James the son of Alpheus. Matt 10: 3.
[3]James the Lord's brother. Matt 13: 55.
And all have different parents.
Yet, the father of this supposedly third James is never mentioned, why?
It is because the James the son of Alpheus is the sme James said to be the brother of Jesus. Otherwise you would have two people named James, each with brothers named Joseph and Jude.
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