What is meant by saying we are made righteous?

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

I would add that Lukewarm people do not think that religious observances are necessary or useful. They may or may not even go to Church. They say they believe in Jesus but their actions speak otherwise.

The Bible says it over and over again. Those who LOVE Jesus, keep His commandments. The Lukewarm don't bother.

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Not only that but should have some kind of powers like Jesus has to heal the sick , raise the dead, cast out demons and many greater things than even experience and did!

Christ heals the sick, raises the dead and casts out demons through the Sacrament of Reconciliation and Eucharist. I'm living proof that His Church and His Sacraments work.


But sad to say and see no powers are being done in the churches and out side the church that sinner are running to a true church!
I do see more running to religion and Islam, and JW cults and sectors!

one love

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Originally posted by evangelist

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

I would add that Lukewarm people do not think that religious observances are necessary or useful. They may or may not even go to Church. They say they believe in Jesus but their actions speak otherwise.

The Bible says it over and over again. Those who LOVE Jesus, keep His commandments. The Lukewarm don't bother.

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Not only that but should have some kind of powers like Jesus has to heal the sick , raise the dead, cast out demons and many greater things than even experience and did!
But sad to say and see no powers are being done in the churches and out side the church that sinner are running to a true church!
I do see more running to religion and Islam, and JW cults and sectors!

one love

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul

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Originally posted by evangelist

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

I would add that Lukewarm people do not think that religious observances are necessary or useful. They may or may not even go to Church. They say they believe in Jesus but their actions speak otherwise.

The Bible says it over and over again. Those who LOVE Jesus, keep His commandments. The Lukewarm don't bother.

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Not only that but should have some kind of powers like Jesus has to heal the sick , raise the dead, cast out demons and many greater things than even experience and did!

Christ heals the sick, raises the dead and casts out demons through the Sacrament of Reconciliation and Eucharist. I'm living proof that His Church and His Sacraments work.


But sad to say and see no powers are being done in the churches and out side the church that sinner are running to a true church!
I do see more running to religion and Islam, and JW cults and sectors!

one love

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

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Originally posted by evangelist

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

I would add that Lukewarm people do not think that religious observances are necessary or useful. They may or may not even go to Church. They say they believe in Jesus but their actions speak otherwise.

The Bible says it over and over again. Those who LOVE Jesus, keep His commandments. The Lukewarm don't bother.

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Not only that but should have some kind of powers like Jesus has to heal the sick , raise the dead, cast out demons and many greater things than even experience and did!
But sad to say and see no powers are being done in the churches and out side the church that sinner are running to a true church!
I do see more running to religion and Islam, and JW cults and sectors!

one love

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Jesus said that many would be led astray by false teachers. He queried if any would still be faithful upon His return.

But you are wrong about the charisms not be in the churches. They may not be present in most of the Protestant churches, but they have always been present in the Catholic Church.

This includes Tongues, Healing, Raising the Dead, casting out demons and so much more.

In my Church, the healings are not temporary as I have seen elsewhere. And they include not only physical healings but spiritual healings as well.

Over 400 confirmed resurrections have occurred in my Church. But do not rejoice if you think others may have more. St. Paul longed to be in Heaven with Christ rather than on earth - so too is it with all the most ardent Catholics. When they pass from this world they do not desire to be brought back except on the last day.

Healings inside the Catholic Church dwarf all others. And our healings withstand the scrutiny of medical doctors and skeptics.

Yes, many who are of weak faith are running to the JWs and the Mormons and even Islam. But others are running to the True Church that Christ established. Entire congregations have converted to Catholicism. We had to devise a special ministry to help all the pastors who were converting so that they could deal with their new situation of not being a pastor like they were - some were helped to become priests, and others into other ministries, even teaching ministries.

When the Church of England started allowing things that were Biblically wrong, many of the more orthodox parishes sought and gained refuge in the Holy Mother Church - The Catholic Church.

My Church is the real deal with everything Christ promised for His Church in the Bible in the Bible fulfilled in her.

You judge by man's standards. You want everything right now at your fingertips. You want dazzle and show - the Devil is all too willing to oblige.

If anyone speaks in tongues or casts out demons or heals the sick but does not keep the commandments - the source of that one's power does not come from God.

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

Glad that you already have it, and yet you judge everyone else by what you don't see. You need physical proof. If you cannot see it or touch it you reject it or assume it isn't there. Why? Faith is the hope for things not seen.

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

I don't need to see anything. I trust in Jesus, and know that so long as I abide in Him, I have nothing to fear. But Paul warned that we are to stand fast lest we fall. We are to be always mindfull of what we are about. Too many forget that their bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, and live as if nothing had changed.

The parable of the sower in Matthew 13 covers this nicely.

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

So if the only sin that ever mattered was Adam's one time sin in Eden, then why did God chastise those who broke His commandments in the intervening period?

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Because they didn't have a Saviour to zake on all thier disobedience , and they didn't have a Lord who can take their place to be righteous!

Why did God condemn those in Sodom and Gomorrah for their present actions of that era, when the only sin they were guilty of was Adam's sin?

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Because their hearts was eveil and rebellious against God and was God hatters and lovers of filthy sins on top of Adan sin!
But even God was mercyfull as such to ask to save the city if there was any righteous people their , and I think if God counted Lot and his family to save the city it would have been saved and not destroyed!
Lot could haved been the mediator of that era.

Why did God flood the earth in Noah's time when nothing they did was held against them, only Adam's sin?

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God is a just God and He will not go against people will and choice to ignarance and unbelif!

Noah also had Adam's sin. So did Lot. They were spared. Do you think that God is a hypocrit.

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God is a loving God but again a just God even to the point He protected the first nurderer Cain, and still had relationship him after the sin against hus brother death!

Adam's sin was disobedience. Pure and simple. That is the only sin that matters.

If one knows that God said NO, and does it anyways - that IS Adam's sin, and that is our sin.

I am glad that you accept the Catholic Doctrine of Original Sin. Not many Protestants do anymore. But no where in the Bible does it say that we are not held accountable for other sins.

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You need to start believeing and studying the bible faith because it does say for only that adam sin of and for only one sin of unbelief:
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In fact the Bible makes it VERY clear that there are no acceptable sins. We will go to Hell for adultery, fornication, theft, bearing false witness, etc. The Bible says so. It does not say X and unbelief. It does say because they did not believe.

If someone truly believes in Jesus Christ, they will not seek to sin, and if they stumble, they will repent of their sin. If they truly believe. If they don't truly believe in Jesus Christ or what HE taught, then of course sin is a non-issue - if there is no God then there is no sin right?

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Originally posted by evangelist

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

So if the only sin that ever mattered was Adam's one time sin in Eden, then why did God chastise those who broke His commandments in the intervening period?

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Because they didn't have a Saviour to zake on all thier disobedience , and they didn't have a Lord who can take their place to be righteous!

Bull. God is not a hypocrit. If Adam's sin was the only sin, then every man, woman and child had the exact same sin and yet God punished some and not others. The only thing that separated those who were punished and those who were not, was directly related to their level of obedience.

And Abraham and Sarah were RIGHTEOUS. The Bible said so. Many were Righteous. The Bible stated this clearly. Even before Christ died on the Cross. Jesus opened the gates of Heaven for the righteous, but He came to earth to save the sinners, to help the rest become righteous.

Why did God condemn those in Sodom and Gomorrah for their present actions of that era, when the only sin they were guilty of was Adam's sin?

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Because their hearts was eveil and rebellious against God and was God hatters and lovers of filthy sins on top of Adan sin!
But even God was mercyfull as such to ask to save the city if there was any righteous people their , and I think if God counted Lot and his family to save the city it would have been saved and not destroyed!
Lot could haved been the mediator of that era.

So you admit that Adam's sin is not the only sin that matters. Lot also bore Adam's sin, but that was not enough to include him in the wrath against those two cities. They had done more than just Adam's sin.

Why did God flood the earth in Noah's time when nothing they did was held against them, only Adam's sin?

Quote Evangelsit:
God is a just God and He will not go against people will and choice to ignarance and unbelif!

That is right. And yet God flooded the earth. They sinned more than just Adam's sin. And they would not repent. IF they had repented, the flood would have been avoided, just as Nineveh was spared when they repented.

Noah also had Adam's sin. So did Lot. They were spared. Do you think that God is a hypocrit.

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God is a loving God but again a just God even to the point He protected the first nurderer Cain, and still had relationship him after the sin against hus brother death!

And David too, though David did repent. But God still flooded the earth. Cain was spared for a reason, and David paid a huge price for his sin.

Adam's sin was disobedience. Pure and simple. That is the only sin that matters.

If one knows that God said NO, and does it anyways - that IS Adam's sin, and that is our sin.

I am glad that you accept the Catholic Doctrine of Original Sin. Not many Protestants do anymore. But no where in the Bible does it say that we are not held accountable for other sins.

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You need to start believeing and studying the bible faith because it does say for only that adam sin of and for only one sin of unbelief:

I do believe the Bible and have studied it for decades. It was indeed through Adam (and Eve) that sin entered the world and we have inherited that stain of sin through every generation. But I also know that the Bible does not say that that unbelief is the only sin that matters. It does say that we sin because we don't believe.

Unbelief is the cause of many to sin, whether it is unbelief in God, or in Christ, or just unbelief in what Christ taught. In any case, unbelief is the reason many sin and do not repent.

Paul said very plainly that Godly sorrow brings us to repentance. Worldly sorrow does not. That is how you can tell what kind of sorrow you have.

If a Christian sins and then feels sufficient remorse that they repent of that sin and seek to never repeat it, then they experirenced a Godly sorrow. BUT, if a Christian sins but then regrets it because they felt bad about doing it but do not repent of that sin - that is a worldly sorrow - even pagans experience that.
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In fact the Bible makes it VERY clear that there are no acceptable sins. We will go to Hell for adultery, fornication, theft, bearing false witness, etc. The Bible says so. It does not say X and unbelief. It does say because they did not believe.

If someone truly believes in Jesus Christ, they will not seek to sin, and if they stumble, they will repent of their sin. If they truly believe. If they don't truly believe in Jesus Christ or what HE taught, then of course sin is a non-issue - if there is no God then there is no sin right?

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You keep forgetting while God doesn't , and that He know we have a fallen nature in our minds and bodies ,and that is why He gave us His Son out of our choice to be holy like His Son which God so dearly loves us!

God did not give us a fallen nature - our first parents fell from Grace by their own free choice and we inherited what they gave to us.

And God did so love us that He gave His only begotten Son for us. But you don't understand the full implications of what He did.

John 3:16

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

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Originally posted by evangelist

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

So if the only sin that ever mattered was Adam's one time sin in Eden, then why did God chastise those who broke His commandments in the intervening period?

Quote Evangelist:
Because they didn't have a Saviour to zake on all thier disobedience , and they didn't have a Lord who can take their place to be righteous!

Bull. God is not a hypocrit. If Adam's sin was the only sin, then every man, woman and child had the exact same sin and yet God punished some and not others. The only thing that separated those who were punished and those who were not, was directly related to their level of obedience.

And Abraham and Sarah were RIGHTEOUS. The Bible said so. Many were Righteous. The Bible stated this clearly. Even before Christ died on the Cross. Jesus opened the gates of Heaven for the righteous, but He came to earth to save the sinners, to help the rest become righteous.

Why did God condemn those in Sodom and Gomorrah for their present actions of that era, when the only sin they were guilty of was Adam's sin?

Qzite Evangelist:
Because their hearts was eveil and rebellious against God and was God hatters and lovers of filthy sins on top of Adan sin!
But even God was mercyfull as such to ask to save the city if there was any righteous people their , and I think if God counted Lot and his family to save the city it would have been saved and not destroyed!
Lot could haved been the mediator of that era.

So you admit that Adam's sin is not the only sin that matters. Lot also bore Adam's sin, but that was not enough to include him in the wrath against those two cities. They had done more than just Adam's sin.

Why did God flood the earth in Noah's time when nothing they did was held against them, only Adam's sin?

Quote Evangelsit:
God is a just God and He will not go against people will and choice to ignarance and unbelif!

That is right. And yet God flooded the earth. They sinned more than just Adam's sin. And they would not repent. IF they had repented, the flood would have been avoided, just as Nineveh was spared when they repented.

Noah also had Adam's sin. So did Lot. They were spared. Do you think that God is a hypocrit.

Quote Evangelist:
God is a loving God but again a just God even to the point He protected the first nurderer Cain, and still had relationship him after the sin against hus brother death!

And David too, though David did repent. But God still flooded the earth. Cain was spared for a reason, and David paid a huge price for his sin.

Adam's sin was disobedience. Pure and simple. That is the only sin that matters.

If one knows that God said NO, and does it anyways - that IS Adam's sin, and that is our sin.

I am glad that you accept the Catholic Doctrine of Original Sin. Not many Protestants do anymore. But no where in the Bible does it say that we are not held accountable for other sins.

Quote Evangelsit:
You need to start believeing and studying the bible faith because it does say for only that adam sin of and for only one sin of unbelief:

I do believe the Bible and have studied it for decades. It was indeed through Adam (and Eve) that sin entered the world and we have inherited that stain of sin through every generation. But I also know that the Bible does not say that that unbelief is the only sin that matters. It does say that we sin because we don't believe.

Unbelief is the cause of many to sin, whether it is unbelief in God, or in Christ, or just unbelief in what Christ taught. In any case, unbelief is the reason many sin and do not repent.

Paul said very plainly that Godly sorrow brings us to repentance. Worldly sorrow does not. That is how you can tell what kind of sorrow you have.

If a Christian sins and then feels sufficient remorse that they repent of that sin and seek to never repeat it, then they experirenced a Godly sorrow. BUT, if a Christian sins but then regrets it because they felt bad about doing it but do not repent of that sin - that is a worldly sorrow - even pagans experience that.
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In fact the Bible makes it VERY clear that there are no acceptable sins. We will go to Hell for adultery, fornication, theft, bearing false witness, etc. The Bible says so. It does not say X and unbelief. It does say because they did not believe.

If someone truly believes in Jesus Christ, they will not seek to sin, and if they stumble, they will repent of their sin. If they truly believe. If they don't truly believe in Jesus Christ or what HE taught, then of course sin is a non-issue - if there is no God then there is no sin right?

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You keep forgetting while God doesn't , and that He know we have a fallen nature in our minds and bodies ,and that is why He gave us His Son out of our choice to be holy like His Son which God so dearly loves us!

God did not give us a fallen nature - our first parents fell from Grace by their own free choice and we inherited what they gave to us.

And God did so love us that He gave His only begotten Son for us. But you don't understand the full implications of what He did.

John 3:16

one love

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We were saved, we are saved, and we are being saved. This is a process. Sometimes we move forward, sometimes we take two steps back. God is always there for us, but we need to cooperate with Him. If we don't cooperate with God, then it is the same as if we were trying to do it on our own and that would never work.

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

Untill you learn to accept the whole Bible there is little point in discussing this.

The scriptures say we have neen, are being and will be - because some of us stumble along the way. You just ignore any verse that disagrees with your version of the gospel.

The Word of God is not a bumper sticker, nor is it a deck of cards that you can just stack in your favour.

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