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Posted on 12/02/2011 at 03:35:50  |  Report Abuse |  -2
What does the Bible say about Purgatory?"Answer: According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, Purgatory is “a place or condition of temporal punishment for those who, departing this life in God's grace, are not entirely free from venial faults, or have not fully paid the more...
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Posted on 05/24/2012 at 15:10:41  |  Report Abuse |  0
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

There is more to walking in darkness than rejecting Jesus:

1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

A person who claims fellowship with Christ has not renounced Christ, so clearly walking in darkness is not rejecting Christ in the literal sense. The context here is sin (as in sins, plural, that we have not repented of).

Here is an example:


1 John 2:10-11 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.


Now I would agree, as I have said many times before, any sin is a rejection of God. So if this is what you mean by walking in darkness is rejecting Jesus, then we agree.

If we do not love our brother, then we are walking in darkness. This is evidenced by our sins.

Ephesians 5 shows the darkness and the light. Fornication, uncleanness, covetousness, filthiness - this belongs to the darkness. Those who do these things are walking in darkness. We have been freed from this and are called to walk in the light.

Paul warns against drunkenness and encourages us to respect our bodies for we are members of the Body of Christ. Not just in spirit.

Elsewhere Paul says that our bodies (flesh and blood) are Temples of the Holy Spirit and it is very wrong to defile our bodies through sin.



I am glad you are seeing that it is your soul and body which need to be renewed like your perfect born again spirit born of God!
Your born again spirit is the real new you by the way, your body is just a house, and your mind is alway at war between your body and your born again spirit, because you flesh is so containmenated and trained to sin with a sinful nature your mind!

Walking in rejection of Jesus is the number one reason you go to hell and you are already condemned by this accord to John 3!

The bible teaches after death the judgement and after judgement either heaven or hell no purgatory or the wounder land of OZ, or another pit stop!



one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Posted on 05/24/2012 at 15:56:28  |  Report Abuse |  0
But not the only reason.

And it does not say that our born again spirit is already perfect. Our spirit is part of the rest of us and is in control. I cannot sin with my body unless my spirit lets me.

When my spirit leaves my body, my body is dead. Without my spirit, my body is just wormfood without any capability of movement or speach. But I am my spirit. If I have sinned, I sinned in my spirit. My body is just the flesh and blood vessel in which my spirit resides.

I am my spirit and my spirit sees with my real eyes, and touches with my flesh and blood hands, and walks with my flesh and blood legs and feet. My spirit sins with my flesh or avoids sin by reigning in my flesh.

My flesh and blood body is a Temple for the Holy Spirit that bears witness with my spirit. And according to the Bible, I am not to do anything that would defile the Temple that is my flesh and blood body.

It really isn't that complicated. Why do you keep coming up with excuses to separate your spirit from your body. You can't except in death.

And, after Judgment Day in the End there is no more Purgatory as Purgatory is only a temporary place where we get purged on the way to Heaven.

It is Catholic teaching that the four last things are Death, Judgment, Heaven, Hell. Purgatory is not a last thing, it is a process.
Pax et Bonum,

Faith_at_Large


"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Posted on 05/25/2012 at 05:24:04  |  Report Abuse |  0
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

But not the only reason.

And it does not say that our born again spirit is already perfect. Our spirit is part of the rest of us and is in control. I cannot sin with my body unless my spirit lets me.

Quote Evangelist:
Are you saying the Holy Spirit will let you sin, or will sin with you??


When my spirit leaves my body, my body is dead. Without my spirit, my body is just wormfood without any capability of movement or speach. But I am my spirit. If I have sinned, I sinned in my spirit. My body is just the flesh and blood vessel in which my spirit resides.

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If you are talking about the way a sinner , and unbeliever is that why I would agree 100% with you but that is not by a born again Christian!


I am my spirit and my spirit sees with my real eyes, and touches with my flesh and blood hands, and walks with my flesh and blood legs and feet. My spirit sins with my flesh or avoids sin by reigning in my flesh.

Quote Evangelist:
Let me help you by said when you do all these things and the Holy Spirit would be in you does the Holy DSpirit in you do all those things are is also effected by them??


My flesh and blood body is a Temple for the Holy Spirit that bears witness with my spirit. And according to the Bible, I am not to do anything that would defile the Temple that is my flesh and blood body.

Quote Evangelist:
I agree that is the will of God , because God loves you, even your mind and natural body , but God is a Spirit and He looks at your born again spirit if you are born again and not a sinner anymore!


It really isn't that complicated. Why do you keep coming up with excuses to separate your spirit from your body. You can't except in death.

Quote Evangelist:
Because God is a spirit John 4:24


And, after Judgment Day in the End there is no more Purgatory as Purgatory is only a temporary place where we get purged on the way to Heaven.

It is Catholic teaching that the four last things are Death, Judgment, Heaven, Hell. Purgatory is not a last thing, it is a process.



The bible say when you are a believer , and you die, you are absent from your body then instantly you are present with the Lord!
So when and where is there a time to be disgisted in a purgtory or another pit stop before Going into the awesome Glory of our Father throne??

one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Posted on 05/25/2012 at 12:10:20  |  Report Abuse |  0
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

But not the only reason.

And it does not say that our born again spirit is already perfect. Our spirit is part of the rest of us and is in control. I cannot sin with my body unless my spirit lets me.

Quote Evangelist:
Are you saying the Holy Spirit will let you sin, or will sin with you??


Your born again spirit is NOT the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will warn you, but if you don't listen, that is not the fault of the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit will not prevent you from doing anything - Free Will is ours. If this were not true, then no born again Christian could reject God at any time. They also would not commit sins in their body either.

When my spirit leaves my body, my body is dead. Without my spirit, my body is just wormfood without any capability of movement or speach. But I am my spirit. If I have sinned, I sinned in my spirit. My body is just the flesh and blood vessel in which my spirit resides.

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If you are talking about the way a sinner , and unbeliever is that why I would agree 100% with you but that is not by a born again Christian!


ROTFLMAO. What I said is TRUE in either case. Are you saying that if your spirit leaves your body, you body will continue to live?

The difference is not that your body gets separated from your spirit, but that the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in you.


I am my spirit and my spirit sees with my real eyes, and touches with my flesh and blood hands, and walks with my flesh and blood legs and feet. My spirit sins with my flesh or avoids sin by reigning in my flesh.

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Let me help you by said when you do all these things and the Holy Spirit would be in you does the Holy DSpirit in you do all those things are is also effected by them??


Not exactly. The Holy Spirit does affect you and is affected by what you do, but the Holy Spirit does not take the place of your spirit which does all these things - the Holy Spirit bears witness with your spirit. The HS guides you, but you have to do the doing.

My flesh and blood body is a Temple for the Holy Spirit that bears witness with my spirit. And according to the Bible, I am not to do anything that would defile the Temple that is my flesh and blood body.

Quote Evangelist:
I agree that is the will of God , because God loves you, even your mind and natural body , but God is a Spirit and He looks at your born again spirit if you are born again and not a sinner anymore!


Nice idea for the carnally minded, but that is not what the Bible says. God looks into your heart. All sin flows from the heart, so does all good. You are what you do. If you sin, you are a sinner. It does not matter if you are born again or not. What does matter is that if you are born again, the Holy Spirit will move you to repent of your sins and bring you back to God. If you are not born again, then you don't have this.

Jesus did not pay your debt to sin so that you could return to it. Being a Christian is not business as usual. We are called to be more than what we were. The whole Bible is all about this. God transforms us, not just our spirit.


It really isn't that complicated. Why do you keep coming up with excuses to separate your spirit from your body. You can't except in death.

Quote Evangelist:
Because God is a spirit John 4:24


Not any more. Jesus is a man too. He knows what we are capable of in the flesh.

And, after Judgment Day in the End there is no more Purgatory as Purgatory is only a temporary place where we get purged on the way to Heaven.

It is Catholic teaching that the four last things are Death, Judgment, Heaven, Hell. Purgatory is not a last thing, it is a process.



The bible say when you are a believer , and you die, you are absent from your body then instantly you are present with the Lord!
So when and where is there a time to be disgisted in a purgtory or another pit stop before Going into the awesome Glory of our Father throne??

one love



No. There is not a single verse that says you are instantly with the Lord upon your death. You misinterpreted Paul. And if I remember correctly, the subject wasn't even about death.
Pax et Bonum,

Faith_at_Large


"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Posted on 05/27/2012 at 07:55:00  |  Report Abuse |  0
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

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Originally posted by evangelist

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

But not the only reason.

And it does not say that our born again spirit is already perfect. Our spirit is part of the rest of us and is in control. I cannot sin with my body unless my spirit lets me.

Quote Evangelist:
Are you saying the Holy Spirit will let you sin, or will sin with you??


Your born again spirit is NOT the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will warn you, but if you don't listen, that is not the fault of the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit will not prevent you from doing anything - Free Will is ours. If this were not true, then no born again Christian could reject God at any time. They also would not commit sins in their body either.

When my spirit leaves my body, my body is dead. Without my spirit, my body is just wormfood without any capability of movement or speach. But I am my spirit. If I have sinned, I sinned in my spirit. My body is just the flesh and blood vessel in which my spirit resides.

Quote Evangelist:
If you are talking about the way a sinner , and unbeliever is that why I would agree 100% with you but that is not by a born again Christian!


ROTFLMAO. What I said is TRUE in either case. Are you saying that if your spirit leaves your body, you body will continue to live?

The difference is not that your body gets separated from your spirit, but that the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in you.


I am my spirit and my spirit sees with my real eyes, and touches with my flesh and blood hands, and walks with my flesh and blood legs and feet. My spirit sins with my flesh or avoids sin by reigning in my flesh.

Quote Evangelist:
Let me help you by said when you do all these things and the Holy Spirit would be in you does the Holy DSpirit in you do all those things are is also effected by them??


Not exactly. The Holy Spirit does affect you and is affected by what you do, but the Holy Spirit does not take the place of your spirit which does all these things - the Holy Spirit bears witness with your spirit. The HS guides you, but you have to do the doing.

My flesh and blood body is a Temple for the Holy Spirit that bears witness with my spirit. And according to the Bible, I am not to do anything that would defile the Temple that is my flesh and blood body.

Quote Evangelist:
I agree that is the will of God , because God loves you, even your mind and natural body , but God is a Spirit and He looks at your born again spirit if you are born again and not a sinner anymore!


Nice idea for the carnally minded, but that is not what the Bible says. God looks into your heart. All sin flows from the heart, so does all good. You are what you do. If you sin, you are a sinner. It does not matter if you are born again or not. What does matter is that if you are born again, the Holy Spirit will move you to repent of your sins and bring you back to God. If you are not born again, then you don't have this.

Jesus did not pay your debt to sin so that you could return to it. Being a Christian is not business as usual. We are called to be more than what we were. The whole Bible is all about this. God transforms us, not just our spirit.


It really isn't that complicated. Why do you keep coming up with excuses to separate your spirit from your body. You can't except in death.

Quote Evangelist:
Because God is a spirit John 4:24


Not any more. Jesus is a man too. He knows what we are capable of in the flesh.

And, after Judgment Day in the End there is no more Purgatory as Purgatory is only a temporary place where we get purged on the way to Heaven.

It is Catholic teaching that the four last things are Death, Judgment, Heaven, Hell. Purgatory is not a last thing, it is a process.



The bible say when you are a believer , and you die, you are absent from your body then instantly you are present with the Lord!
So when and where is there a time to be disgisted in a purgtory or another pit stop before Going into the awesome Glory of our Father throne??

one love



No. There is not a single verse that says you are instantly with the Lord upon your death. You misinterpreted Paul. And if I remember correctly, the subject wasn't even about death.



You do know that the Holy Spirit is not the accuser of the brotheren, He is our comforter, helper!

one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Posted on 05/27/2012 at 08:40:00  |  Report Abuse |  0
Amen. Jesus did not come to judge when He came either. We are not judged while we are alive. Judgment comes upon our death.

While we are alive, the Holy Spirit is our comforter and guides us. Jesus is also present, walking with us and helping us every step of the way.

But if we refuse that guidance and choose to go our own way, that is our choice.

Following Christ means doing whatever He tells us. Not saying that we don't have to.

This is not about "do's" and "don'ts" and earning salvation. Jesus gave us very good advice that helps us. His teachings are a gift to us not a bunch of legalisms.

You speak sometimes like a petulant child bristling at his father's warnings to stay safe. How many young children think their father is being mean when he won't let them play in the street? Or eat raw hotdogs out of the fridge. How many children think that their father is an unjust tyrant when he makes them eat their vegetables and go to bed at a reasonable hour.

It such a father just a legalistic tyrant to demand that his children obey him?

Sure, a child will always be the son or daughter of the father. Obedience is not the deciding factor. But if the child disobeys the father and ends up getting hit by a car and dies, what does it matter?

If the child is dead, he or she is not with the father that loves them.

We have been given an extraordinary gift, but if we refuse to heed all the guidance that Christ has given us, whether by His own recorded teachings or the Holy Spirit that dwells in us, we risk spiritual death. This is not God's fault. This is not about failing to "earn" salvation. This is about our breaking faith with Him, and walking a path that leads to Hell.
Pax et Bonum,

Faith_at_Large


"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Posted on 05/27/2012 at 08:49:13  |  Report Abuse |  0
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Amen. Jesus did not come to judge when He came either. We are not judged while we are alive. Judgment comes upon our death.

While we are alive, the Holy Spirit is our comforter and guides us. Jesus is also present, walking with us and helping us every step of the way.

But if we refuse that guidance and choose to go our own way, that is our choice.

Following Christ means doing whatever He tells us. Not saying that we don't have to.

This is not about "do's" and "don'ts" and earning salvation. Jesus gave us very good advice that helps us. His teachings are a gift to us not a bunch of legalisms.

You speak sometimes like a petulant child bristling at his father's warnings to stay safe. How many young children think their father is being mean when he won't let them play in the street? Or eat raw hotdogs out of the fridge. How many children think that their father is an unjust tyrant when he makes them eat their vegetables and go to bed at a reasonable hour.

It such a father just a legalistic tyrant to demand that his children obey him?

Sure, a child will always be the son or daughter of the father. Obedience is not the deciding factor. But if the child disobeys the father and ends up getting hit by a car and dies, what does it matter?

If the child is dead, he or she is not with the father that loves them.

We have been given an extraordinary gift, but if we refuse to heed all the guidance that Christ has given us, whether by His own recorded teachings or the Holy Spirit that dwells in us, we risk spiritual death. This is not God's fault. This is not about failing to "earn" salvation. This is about our breaking faith with Him, and walking a path that leads to Hell.



I have four cats and God has shown me how we are before Him with my cats and this revelation was a awesome truth I seen how God still loves us!
When i call my cats they sometime or better to say most of the time don't come to me or obey me but no matter what they do , except if they run away jump out the window that would be their fault, but I will still love them and even when they disobey i would never open the door and kick them out to an out door hell society, no matter what unless they renounce me by running away and never coming back!
the exact same way it is with our Lord and God even though when the cats scrach my news shoes and scratch the wall or piss in the bed, I would be upset , but they have my full love, past, present and even in the future when they might do it again, so all their future disobedience is forgive already by me, so how much more our loving God who has more love cares for us???

one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Posted on 05/27/2012 at 09:51:50  |  Report Abuse |  0
God still loves us. Even if we end up in Hell.
Pax et Bonum,

Faith_at_Large


"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Posted on 05/27/2012 at 16:14:08  |  Report Abuse |  0
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God still loves us. Even if we end up in Hell.



That is true but who would love to go to a hell, not me ??
Righteous and justified and holy ,pure people don't go to a hell or a purgatory just straight to the throne to God forever!
That why a purgatory is a religious myth, just like the 6 step from hell to heaven in Islamic purgatory to their land of paradise with alot of women and lusts of men!

one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 06/19/2012 05:37:39
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John 15 shows how we remain righteous. If we don't do that, then we cease to be righteous.

Paul, Peter and Jesus all said that believers can be lost if they refuse to live as Christ commanded them. And while everyone would agree that rejecting Jesus would be one sin that would do this, that was not the sin mentioned when these three were talking about losing our salvation.
Pax et Bonum,

Faith_at_Large


"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Only unbelievers go to hell amd that the basic truth, not because of our performance good or bad!


What is your definition of an "unbeliever"?

If you truely think that each and every type of "unbeliever" goes to hell, you're in for an awakening.


Edited by bwellmysoul on 06/19/2012 13:35:27
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2 Corinthians 5:6-10 6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.


Paul labours to be accepted of the Lord, knowing that he will be judged according to his own works, just as Jesus taught in the Gospel - see Matthew 25.

Now, not all bad things will merit Hell, and we can't really loose what we have not yet received, so this is not talking about losing some rewards in Heaven. We can gain them for the good we do.

1 Corinthians 3:13-17 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.


This does not sound like getting a smaller mansion in Heaven.

This is serious, but even so, if it is not a "sin unto death", then we can still be saved enough though we must be purged by fire.

The works are part of us, imperfect works must be purged from us.
Pax et Bonum,

Faith_at_Large


"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

John 15 shows how we remain righteous. If we don't do that, then we cease to be righteous.

Paul, Peter and Jesus all said that believers can be lost if they refuse to live as Christ commanded them. And while everyone would agree that rejecting Jesus would be one sin that would do this, that was not the sin mentioned when these three were talking about losing our salvation.



That means you don't need a Saviour you are putting or using your own righteousness and that all come short of God righteousness!

That why I ask you to deal with Romans 5 which explains short and clearand simple what righteousness is and who you can get that only from, and that is from Jesus alone!
When you are righteous you would never need a purgatory or another pit stop before Heaven in the Glory of God.

one love

one love
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That means you don't need a Saviour you are putting or using your own righteousness and that all come short of God righteousness!

one love



Jesus is not a 2,000 year old God/man Saviour who was nailed to a cross.

Jesus sets "prisoners free", today. We absolutely need and must have a Saviour. He alone, forgives us of the sins which we are repentant of.

When a person repents and seeks absolution through confession (because most of us feel the need to tell someone what we did) we know that it is only Jesus who can forgive us of the punishment that we should be receiving.

He sets people free from their sin through absolution and He redeems sinners with His mercy.

His actions today, were prefigured in the Old Testament through the use of scapegoats and a 'mercy seat' on the top of the Arc of the Covenant.

Jesus told His Apostles, "As the Father sent Me, so I send you. Whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven. Whose sins you hold bound, they will be held bound."

Jesus continues today to be the active agent Who alone sets people free from their sins, as He requested through His Apostolic Church.

Jesus is in active participation in the Catholic Church, saving His flock from their sin and welcoming them into full Communion with Him.

Practical theology. The actionable Word of God. Field work.

Christ is at work in His Church, today. And He will be until He draws this world to its end.

Our actions and inactions, matter. And most of us know that. Most of us feel the need to confess and bring our lives back into balance. This is how we mature as Christians and how we learn to navigate morality's "rough waters".

Our consciences' bear witness of the injuries we've produced. From that condition, we seek our Redeemer.

That's not an emotion that should be shrugged off or overruled by a presumption of rightousness.

We know we are adopted children of God. Our humility draws us back to Him in total honesty over what we did or failed to do.

We aren't to be like our self absorbed first parents; hiding, blaming each other, or blaming God for our actions and inactions.
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

John 15 shows how we remain righteous. If we don't do that, then we cease to be righteous.

Paul, Peter and Jesus all said that believers can be lost if they refuse to live as Christ commanded them. And while everyone would agree that rejecting Jesus would be one sin that would do this, that was not the sin mentioned when these three were talking about losing our salvation.



That means you don't need a Saviour you are putting or using your own righteousness and that all come short of God righteousness!

That why I ask you to deal with Romans 5 which explains short and clearand simple what righteousness is and who you can get that only from, and that is from Jesus alone!
When you are righteous you would never need a purgatory or another pit stop before Heaven in the Glory of God.

one love

one love



I have a Saviour, Jesus Christ. How do you think it is so easy for me to abide in Christ, just as He said in John 15.

This is a cakewalk for anyone who has truly chosen to put Christ first in their lives. Not hard a bit.

The only trouble comes from those who are reluctant to let their old man go.

I admit that I am still capable of sin, but I don't think that you grasp what I mean.

Since my conversion, I have not broken the letter of the law in any way. I have never gone even over a single MPH over the speed limit. I have never knowingly accepted more change than I was do from a store clerk. I have never stolen cable or cheated on my taxes. I have never violated the letter of God's Laws or man's laws. Not even a little bit.

I have not even stretched the letter of the law, or bent it, or twisted it. Nada.

And this is nothing. I didn't do this on my own. I could not possibly have done this on my own. I wasn't even trying to do this.

I don't wake up each morning consciously looking to avoid sin. It is as natural to me as breathing.

This is not my doing, this is Jesus Christ's doing. It is by the Grace of God, that I can say this truthfully and honestly.

My little prayer that I tack on the end of my posts is a petition to my Saviour to continue to keep me from sin and to strengthen me.

But, because I am a Christian who loves Jesus with all my heart, I know that I need Him every day, not just once. And I am not content with the letter of the Law. I live the Spirit of the Law, and under the SPIRIT of the Law, I still have some rough edges for Jesus to polish up. But it is up to Jesus to help me with this. And He does. That is why I pray what I do.

Even you acknowledged that if we sin we open the door to Satan. Well, Paul says it even stronger:

Romans 6:16 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Sin separates us from God, but Jesus is a mediator between us and the Father, but that won't do you any good if you won't listen to Jesus.
Pax et Bonum,

Faith_at_Large


"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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