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Part 2 The Heretics Message to the World:Be Baptized to be Saved!Mike and many other RCC think if you are not baptized in water you are not saved.Salvation can only come by water baptism think many religious people.Not only the RCC but the church of Jesus Christ and more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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One does not need to be a Hebrew scholar to see what is plain in the New Testament.
OOHhh sorry , how about a greek Scholar to see the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Yes! the old rituals was a must and requirements.
Why don't you just follow the whole commandmemnet and rules and continue to make animal sacrafices work Mike!
are you serious? because jesus paid for all that on the cross... now we trust in his sacrifice which we have available to us through the sacraments..... rules and regs are things you find in evangelical churches. sacraments are found in the catholic church.. the difference is that sacraments are instituted by christ and evangelical rules and regs are not. when evangelicals tell you that you cannot smoke and be a christian then you should tell them to sacrifice an animal... but when christ says to baptize i wouldn't tell him that's like sacrificing an animal... you can.
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Christ told us to love each other as like He loves the church, or bless your enemies, is that a rule and reg of another requirement like baptism or getting wet ??
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At the same time throw out grace and mercy out the window like you are doing.
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nope.. not doing that either... i mean it's easy for you to say such a thing.. but again the facts are not there. catholics are probably the only christians i know who actually understand grace and mercy... because we still repent of our sins... there is no need for grace and mercy in a belief that says "your born again spirit cannot sin"... is there?
at the rate your going you may as well throw the whole bible out your window.
If you really believe in grace and mercy why do you do penance and momentray redemption when you sin over and over again???
When that doesn't work even after being baptized you go to a purgatory for another purgatory baptism, wwwwoooww!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by mikejuli
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Yes! the old rituals was a must and requirements.
Why don't you just follow the whole commandmemnet and rules and continue to make animal sacrafices work Mike!
are you serious? because jesus paid for all that on the cross... now we trust in his sacrifice which we have available to us through the sacraments..... rules and regs are things you find in evangelical churches. sacraments are found in the catholic church.. the difference is that sacraments are instituted by christ and evangelical rules and regs are not. when evangelicals tell you that you cannot smoke and be a christian then you should tell them to sacrifice an animal... but when christ says to baptize i wouldn't tell him that's like sacrificing an animal... you can.
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At the same time throw out grace and mercy out the window like you are doing.
one love
nope.. not doing that either... i mean it's easy for you to say such a thing.. but again the facts are not there. catholics are probably the only christians i know who actually understand grace and mercy... because we still repent of our sins... there is no need for grace and mercy in a belief that says "your born again spirit cannot sin"... is there?
at the rate your going you may as well throw the whole bible out your window.
If it was as simple as you "your born again spirit can not sin" theory, then Satan himself would be saved. If all it took was a simple "I accept Jesus into my heart" prayer, then there would be no sinners... no demons... no sins... and no devil! But there is, evan, and God is not as simple as you would like to believe. He has rules and regulations... this has nothing to do with burnt offerings... Baptism is not a BURNT OFFERING. For you to say so is absurd. My Lord took part in Baptism before he began his ministry..... Why should you or anybody else get the privilege to omit this very act of our humble Lord and savior, Jesus Christ?
First of all satan is a fallen angel not a human being remember?
But basically Jesus died for all humans and that is the issue is that some accept and those reject serve satan and needs demons!
But the thing which count before God is our inward heart and the inward part of us which God can see and accepts because He is Spirit.
religion look at the outside and the outside performance, and out side rituals like water baptisms, reading the bible, going to mass or church, do's and don't and what other can see and judge or what you can show off with from the outside to men.
That is why belief and faith is so awesome to God in His Spiritual kingdom, the rest can come latter as a fruit but not the root or seed!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
One does not need to be a Hebrew scholar to see what is plain in the New Testament.
OOHhh sorry , how about a greek Scholar to see the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
one love
Nope. One does not need to be a Greek Scholar either. Of course if you are going to get into the original languages, it helps to be both.
But fortunately there have been many before us who were scholars of both Hebrew and Greek who were able to translate the Bible so that we can all understand it in our own languages. The problem comes from when some translate the scriptures in a way that modifies the text to suit their own theology. This does happen, and that is precisely why we need a Church with the authority to say what translations are good and which ones are not.
The text I have been using with you is a Protestant translation, but acceptable to all for the purposes of our discussion.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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yes, so i trust jesus when he said to be baptized and know that because he said it, it must be truth. that makes the spiritual work in baptism real and not just a dead work of the flesh like evangelical societies do in their churchy's...
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Yes! the old rituals was a must and requirements.
Why don't you just follow the whole commandmemnet and rules and continue to make animal sacrafices work Mike!
At the same time throw out grace and mercy out the window like you are doing.
one love
Because a goat can not as our high priest offer itself as a sacrifice once, perpetually, outside of time for all eternity, for all generations to participate into.
Once a goat dies its dead it can not continue to intercede for all times, all generations
but Jesus is able for all time to save those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them. Once Jesus died but he continues as our high priest offering sacrifice in heaven outside of time in eternity in the heavenly sanctuary.
Heb 8
[1] Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,
[2] a minister in the sanctuary and the true tent which is set up not by man but by the Lord.
[3] For every high priest is appointed to offer gifts and sacrifices; hence it is necessary for this priest also to have something to offer.
[4] Now if he were on earth, he would not be a priest at all, since there are priests who offer gifts according to the law.
[5] They serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly sanctuary; for when Moses was about to erect the tent, he was instructed by God, saying, "See that you make everything according to the pattern which was shown you on the mountain."
[6] But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry which is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises.
Heb 7
[22] This makes Jesus the surety of a better covenant.
[23] The former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office;
[24] but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues for ever.
[25] Consequently he is able for all time to save those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
One does not need to be a Hebrew scholar to see what is plain in the New Testament.
OOHhh sorry , how about a greek Scholar to see the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
one love
Nope. One does not need to be a Greek Scholar either. Of course if you are going to get into the original languages, it helps to be both.
But fortunately there have been many before us who were scholars of both Hebrew and Greek who were able to translate the Bible so that we can all understand it in our own languages. The problem comes from when some translate the scriptures in a way that modifies the text to suit their own theology. This does happen, and that is precisely why we need a Church with the authority to say what translations are good and which ones are not.
The text I have been using with you is a Protestant translation, but acceptable to all for the purposes of our discussion.
I don't think it is a theology but the fruits is what counts also .
I mean the manifestation of God in those who have the truth , like how they raise the dead , heal the sick feed the poor, love those who hate them, and walk in peace with themselves and others.
I see most religion having a doctrine but powerless and non water walkers as I call them.
religion is based on rituals and doctrine of their own, and religious logics.
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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yes, so i trust jesus when he said to be baptized and know that because he said it, it must be truth. that makes the spiritual work in baptism real and not just a dead work of the flesh like evangelical societies do in their churchy's...
mike
Yes! the old rituals was a must and requirements.
Why don't you just follow the whole commandmemnet and rules and continue to make animal sacrafices work Mike!
At the same time throw out grace and mercy out the window like you are doing.
one love
Because a goat can not as our high priest offer itself as a sacrifice once, perpetually, outside of time for all eternity, for all generations to participate into.
Once a goat dies its dead it can not continue to intercede for all times, all generations
but Jesus is able for all time to save those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them. Once Jesus died but he continues as our high priest offering sacrifice in heaven outside of time in eternity in the heavenly sanctuary.
Heb 8
[1] Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,
[2] a minister in the sanctuary and the true tent which is set up not by man but by the Lord.
[3] For every high priest is appointed to offer gifts and sacrifices; hence it is necessary for this priest also to have something to offer.
[4] Now if he were on earth, he would not be a priest at all, since there are priests who offer gifts according to the law.
[5] They serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly sanctuary; for when Moses was about to erect the tent, he was instructed by God, saying, "See that you make everything according to the pattern which was shown you on the mountain."
[6] But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry which is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises.
Heb 7
[22] This makes Jesus the surety of a better covenant.
[23] The former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office;
[24] but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues for ever.
[25] Consequently he is able for all time to save those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.
Amen!
Jesus only died once for our salvation ,and forgiveness of all our past , present and future sins, all big sins or mortal and minor sins.
Eph:1:7: In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
notice we are not redeemed by getting water baptized or wet!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
One does not need to be a Hebrew scholar to see what is plain in the New Testament.
OOHhh sorry , how about a greek Scholar to see the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
one love
Nope. One does not need to be a Greek Scholar either. Of course if you are going to get into the original languages, it helps to be both.
But fortunately there have been many before us who were scholars of both Hebrew and Greek who were able to translate the Bible so that we can all understand it in our own languages. The problem comes from when some translate the scriptures in a way that modifies the text to suit their own theology. This does happen, and that is precisely why we need a Church with the authority to say what translations are good and which ones are not.
The text I have been using with you is a Protestant translation, but acceptable to all for the purposes of our discussion.
I don't think it is a theology but the fruits is what counts also .
I mean the manifestation of God in those who have the truth , like how they raise the dead , heal the sick feed the poor, love those who hate them, and walk in peace with themselves and others.
I see most religion having a doctrine but powerless and non water walkers as I call them.
religion is based on rituals and doctrine of their own, and religious logics.
one love
Really, so if the Devil walks on water you will follow him? The Devil is sifting Christians like wheat, luring them with lying signs and wonders, just as prophesied in the Scriptures.
2 Thessalonians 2:8-10 "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved."
Of course some are just ordinary frauds seeking money through religious deceit - pretending to raise the dead and heal the sick. These all get exposed sooner or later - like Benny Hinn, Todd Bentley and others.
Miracles have abounded within the Catholic Church, but they are not used for spectacle.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
One does not need to be a Hebrew scholar to see what is plain in the New Testament.
OOHhh sorry , how about a greek Scholar to see the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
one love
Nope. One does not need to be a Greek Scholar either. Of course if you are going to get into the original languages, it helps to be both.
But fortunately there have been many before us who were scholars of both Hebrew and Greek who were able to translate the Bible so that we can all understand it in our own languages. The problem comes from when some translate the scriptures in a way that modifies the text to suit their own theology. This does happen, and that is precisely why we need a Church with the authority to say what translations are good and which ones are not.
The text I have been using with you is a Protestant translation, but acceptable to all for the purposes of our discussion.
I don't think it is a theology but the fruits is what counts also .
I mean the manifestation of God in those who have the truth , like how they raise the dead , heal the sick feed the poor, love those who hate them, and walk in peace with themselves and others.
I see most religion having a doctrine but powerless and non water walkers as I call them.
religion is based on rituals and doctrine of their own, and religious logics.
one love
Really, so if the Devil walks on water you will follow him? The Devil is sifting Christians like wheat, luring them with lying signs and wonders, just as prophesied in the Scriptures.
2 Thessalonians 2:8-10 "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved."
Of course some are just ordinary frauds seeking money through religious deceit - pretending to raise the dead and heal the sick. These all get exposed sooner or later - like Benny Hinn, Todd Bentley and others.
Miracles have abounded within the Catholic Church, but they are not used for spectacle.
Why did God do signs and wonder for the Israelites??
Why did Jesus heal whole towns and city??
Why did Jesus raise the dead and also said we shoiuld do greater works??
How many dead people did your pope raise or healed, and cast out demons???
M't:10:6: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
M't:10:7: And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
M't:10:8: Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
M'r:16:14: Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
M'r:16:15: And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
M'r:16:16: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
M'r:16:17: And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
M'r:16:18: They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
M'r:11:22: And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
M'r:11:23: For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
M'r:11:24: Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by mikejuli
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Yes! the old rituals was a must and requirements.
Why don't you just follow the whole commandmemnet and rules and continue to make animal sacrafices work Mike!
are you serious? because jesus paid for all that on the cross... now we trust in his sacrifice which we have available to us through the sacraments..... rules and regs are things you find in evangelical churches. sacraments are found in the catholic church.. the difference is that sacraments are instituted by christ and evangelical rules and regs are not. when evangelicals tell you that you cannot smoke and be a christian then you should tell them to sacrifice an animal... but when christ says to baptize i wouldn't tell him that's like sacrificing an animal... you can.
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At the same time throw out grace and mercy out the window like you are doing.
one love
nope.. not doing that either... i mean it's easy for you to say such a thing.. but again the facts are not there. catholics are probably the only christians i know who actually understand grace and mercy... because we still repent of our sins... there is no need for grace and mercy in a belief that says "your born again spirit cannot sin"... is there?
at the rate your going you may as well throw the whole bible out your window.
If it was as simple as you "your born again spirit can not sin" theory, then Satan himself would be saved. If all it took was a simple "I accept Jesus into my heart" prayer, then there would be no sinners... no demons... no sins... and no devil! But there is, evan, and God is not as simple as you would like to believe. He has rules and regulations... this has nothing to do with burnt offerings... Baptism is not a BURNT OFFERING. For you to say so is absurd. My Lord took part in Baptism before he began his ministry..... Why should you or anybody else get the privilege to omit this very act of our humble Lord and savior, Jesus Christ?
First of all satan is a fallen angel not a human being remember?
But basically Jesus died for all humans and that is the issue is that some accept and those reject serve satan and needs demons!
But the thing which count before God is our inward heart and the inward part of us which God can see and accepts because He is Spirit.
religion look at the outside and the outside performance, and out side rituals like water baptisms, reading the bible, going to mass or church, do's and don't and what other can see and judge or what you can show off with from the outside to men.
That is why belief and faith is so awesome to God in His Spiritual kingdom, the rest can come latter as a fruit but not the root or seed!
one love
Do I remember that Satan is a fallen angel? What a proud heart you have, evan. Why, yes I do remember being taught that, but that's besides the point. I was merely pointing out that by your logic... nevermind.
YOU: "But basically Jesus died for all humans and that is the issue is that some accept and those reject serve satan and needs demons!"
Exactly. With that being said, according to my beliefs, YOU reject Jesus' teachings... so you obviously "serve satan!"
"There are water and tears; the water of baptism and the tears of repentance." -St. Ambrose“
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by acumenCry
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Originally posted by mikejuli
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Yes! the old rituals was a must and requirements.
Why don't you just follow the whole commandmemnet and rules and continue to make animal sacrafices work Mike!
are you serious? because jesus paid for all that on the cross... now we trust in his sacrifice which we have available to us through the sacraments..... rules and regs are things you find in evangelical churches. sacraments are found in the catholic church.. the difference is that sacraments are instituted by christ and evangelical rules and regs are not. when evangelicals tell you that you cannot smoke and be a christian then you should tell them to sacrifice an animal... but when christ says to baptize i wouldn't tell him that's like sacrificing an animal... you can.
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At the same time throw out grace and mercy out the window like you are doing.
one love
nope.. not doing that either... i mean it's easy for you to say such a thing.. but again the facts are not there. catholics are probably the only christians i know who actually understand grace and mercy... because we still repent of our sins... there is no need for grace and mercy in a belief that says "your born again spirit cannot sin"... is there?
at the rate your going you may as well throw the whole bible out your window.
If it was as simple as you "your born again spirit can not sin" theory, then Satan himself would be saved. If all it took was a simple "I accept Jesus into my heart" prayer, then there would be no sinners... no demons... no sins... and no devil! But there is, evan, and God is not as simple as you would like to believe. He has rules and regulations... this has nothing to do with burnt offerings... Baptism is not a BURNT OFFERING. For you to say so is absurd. My Lord took part in Baptism before he began his ministry..... Why should you or anybody else get the privilege to omit this very act of our humble Lord and savior, Jesus Christ?
First of all satan is a fallen angel not a human being remember?
But basically Jesus died for all humans and that is the issue is that some accept and those reject serve satan and needs demons!
But the thing which count before God is our inward heart and the inward part of us which God can see and accepts because He is Spirit.
religion look at the outside and the outside performance, and out side rituals like water baptisms, reading the bible, going to mass or church, do's and don't and what other can see and judge or what you can show off with from the outside to men.
That is why belief and faith is so awesome to God in His Spiritual kingdom, the rest can come latter as a fruit but not the root or seed!
one love
Do I remember that Satan is a fallen angel? What a proud heart you have, evan. Why, yes I do remember being taught that, but that's besides the point. I was merely pointing out that by your logic... nevermind.
YOU: "But basically Jesus died for all humans and that is the issue is that some accept and those reject serve satan and needs demons!"
Exactly. With that being said, according to my beliefs, YOU reject Jesus' teachings... so you obviously "serve satan!"
Sorry i don't serve your religion, and if you want to name it claim it that I reject your church is serving satan , well", that your philosophy!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by acumenCry
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Originally posted by mikejuli
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Yes! the old rituals was a must and requirements.
Why don't you just follow the whole commandmemnet and rules and continue to make animal sacrafices work Mike!
are you serious? because jesus paid for all that on the cross... now we trust in his sacrifice which we have available to us through the sacraments..... rules and regs are things you find in evangelical churches. sacraments are found in the catholic church.. the difference is that sacraments are instituted by christ and evangelical rules and regs are not. when evangelicals tell you that you cannot smoke and be a christian then you should tell them to sacrifice an animal... but when christ says to baptize i wouldn't tell him that's like sacrificing an animal... you can.
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At the same time throw out grace and mercy out the window like you are doing.
one love
nope.. not doing that either... i mean it's easy for you to say such a thing.. but again the facts are not there. catholics are probably the only christians i know who actually understand grace and mercy... because we still repent of our sins... there is no need for grace and mercy in a belief that says "your born again spirit cannot sin"... is there?
at the rate your going you may as well throw the whole bible out your window.
If it was as simple as you "your born again spirit can not sin" theory, then Satan himself would be saved. If all it took was a simple "I accept Jesus into my heart" prayer, then there would be no sinners... no demons... no sins... and no devil! But there is, evan, and God is not as simple as you would like to believe. He has rules and regulations... this has nothing to do with burnt offerings... Baptism is not a BURNT OFFERING. For you to say so is absurd. My Lord took part in Baptism before he began his ministry..... Why should you or anybody else get the privilege to omit this very act of our humble Lord and savior, Jesus Christ?
First of all satan is a fallen angel not a human being remember?
But basically Jesus died for all humans and that is the issue is that some accept and those reject serve satan and needs demons!
But the thing which count before God is our inward heart and the inward part of us which God can see and accepts because He is Spirit.
religion look at the outside and the outside performance, and out side rituals like water baptisms, reading the bible, going to mass or church, do's and don't and what other can see and judge or what you can show off with from the outside to men.
That is why belief and faith is so awesome to God in His Spiritual kingdom, the rest can come latter as a fruit but not the root or seed!
one love
Do I remember that Satan is a fallen angel? What a proud heart you have, evan. Why, yes I do remember being taught that, but that's besides the point. I was merely pointing out that by your logic... nevermind.
YOU: "But basically Jesus died for all humans and that is the issue is that some accept and those reject serve satan and needs demons!"
Exactly. With that being said, according to my beliefs, YOU reject Jesus' teachings... so you obviously "serve satan!"
Sorry i don't serve your religion, and if you want to name it claim it that I reject your church is serving satan , well", that your philosophy!
one love
Well, I'm sorry I don't serve any church, especially not the church of evan.
"There are water and tears; the water of baptism and the tears of repentance." -St. Ambrose“
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Member since 07/10/2003
Location: Germany
Praise the Lord I don't have a churchy or society I serve.
Jesus is first and the truth in my life, and my relationship is with Him!
one love acumenCry
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by evangelist
Praise the Lord I don't have a churchy or society I serve.
Jesus is first and the truth in my life, and my relationship is with Him!
one love acumenCry
I'm just curious... why did Jesus' friends in the Bible baptize according to his command?
"There are water and tears; the water of baptism and the tears of repentance." -St. Ambrose“
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PM
Member since 07/10/2003
Location: Germany
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Originally posted by acumenCry
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Originally posted by evangelist
Praise the Lord I don't have a churchy or society I serve.
Jesus is first and the truth in my life, and my relationship is with Him!
one love acumenCry
I'm just curious... why did Jesus' friends in the Bible baptize according to his command?
Because they walked and talked with Him personally and heard what He said without faith or belief!
Also at that time the Holy Spirit didn't come untill after Jesus left to get real revelation like Paul did and that is why Paul didn't baptize everyone just some because he knew it was a requirement, only the faith and belief of the death burial and resurrection of Christ with His blood!
I must say the baptism of the blood of Jesus is a requirement and a must!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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