The meaning of a christian been justified, holy !
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Dear Loved Ones of the Lord,As we continue our journey through the Book of Romans Chapters 5-6, please notice the words found in Romans 5:1."Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God, through our Lord Jesus Christ."Justified. What a fascinating word. It is more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.
Acts 2:24
They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
Acts 2:46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts....
We gather as One Body, to present our hearts, minds and souls to the Lord, at His Wedding Supper.
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The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a sharing in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a sharing in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.
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Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be answerable for the body and blood of the Lord. Examine yourselves, and only then eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For all who eat and drink without discerning the body, eat and drink judgment against themselves.
So that is how you worship God in spirit and truth??
Joh:4:24: God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
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You're not familiar with these paragraphs from Sacred Scripture?
Christ's Church worshipped through prayer and the breaking of the Bread.
And those are His Words, concerning the Eucharist.
did you listen to this??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfjyBJvMFaY&feature=relmfu
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What is the meaning of worship , is it just the Lord supper we do in rememberance of Jesus death and resurrection??
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Eucharistic worship is the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
did you listen to this??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfjyBJvMFaY&feature=relmfu
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Yes, he's a horrid misquoter of Sacred Scripture.
Jesus said that we individually should be so concerned about sin that we should be willing to remove our arm or eye to free ourselves from our body's desire for those sins.
The Apostles and Christ's Church understood Jesus' meaning. They didn't go around preaching the amputation of arms and eyes. They preached repentance from sin, through His Apostolic Church, prior to receiving the Body and Blood of Christ in the Eucharist.
Let me guess, youtube pope's next step toward apostasy would be his denial of Christ's words concerning the Eucharist? Althou that theology is so protestant, he probably finds very few denominations who preach the Presence of Christ at Communion.
Christ wasn't speaking in figurative language. His Apostles and His Church also understood that.
The Son of God said, "Verily, verily (truely, truely) I say to you, unless you eat (naw on) the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His Blood, you have no life within you."
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P.S. Jesus also used those same words concerning Baptism and some of the protestantisms have great difficulty agreeing to that.
"Verily verily (truely, truely) I say to you that unless you are born again of water and the Spirit you shall not enter the Kingdom of God."
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Yes, he's a horrid misquoter of Sacred Scripture.
Jesus said that we individually should be so concerned about sin that we should be willing to remove our arm or eye to free ourselves from our body's desire for those sins.
The Apostles and Christ's Church understood Jesus' meaning. They didn't go around preaching the amputation of arms and eyes. They preached repentance from sin, through His Apostolic Church, prior to receiving the Body and Blood of Christ in the Eucharist.
Let me guess, youtube pope's next step toward apostasy would be his denial of Christ's words concerning the Eucharist? Althou that theology is so protestant, he probably finds very few denominations who preach the Presence of Christ at Communion.
Christ wasn't speaking in figurative language. His Apostles and His Church also understood that.
The Son of God said, "Verily, verily (truely, truely) I say to you, unless you eat (naw on) the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His Blood, you have no life within you."
The Pastor admits that at one time he was also decieved like you and seen thing misquoted, but know he is eating meat and found the truth to set him free from religious errors!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I am not the one deceived.
"Youtube pope" operates under his own council and has created another denomination, one which suits his personal interpreation of Scripture.
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I am not the one deceived.
"Youtube pope" operates under his own council and has created another denomination, one which suits his personal interpreation of Scripture.
How would you know the truth of interpretation?
Is the bible your final authority??
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Evangelist, you don't even accept the Bible as your final authority, so please stop asking Catholics that question.
Catholics at least consider the Bible to be authoritative and binding whereas most Protestants, including you, consider it to be more of a general guide when it suits you and something that the "spirit" nullifies when it doesn't.
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Evangelist, you don't even accept the Bible as your final authority, so please stop asking Catholics that question.
Catholics at least consider the Bible to be authoritative and binding whereas most Protestants, including you, consider it to be more of a general guide when it suits you and something that the "spirit" nullifies when it doesn't.
What i don't accept from the you is your carnal bible interpretation of scriptures, even though we both have some what the same exact bible, but many strange spirits are twisting your revelation truth knowledge, which I thin it is a spirit of error from rome alone!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I think i understand what G4 means when he call most catholic ir better to say all catholic specially here a liar when I heard pastor Steve McVey teach very shortly on this link below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfjyBJvMFaY&feature=relmfu
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Yes, Jesus wasn't speaking to you when He told His Apostles,
"As My Father sent Me, so I send you. Whose sins you forgive they are forgiven. Whose sins you hold bound, they are held bound."
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Evangelist, you don't even accept the Bible as your final authority, so please stop asking Catholics that question.
Catholics at least consider the Bible to be authoritative and binding whereas most Protestants, including you, consider it to be more of a general guide when it suits you and something that the "spirit" nullifies when it doesn't.
What i don't accept from the you is your carnal bible interpretation of scriptures, even though we both have some what the same exact bible, but many strange spirits are twisting your revelation truth knowledge, which I thin it is a spirit of error from rome alone!
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Evangelist,
In all kindness, God said over and over and over that He would be in the bread and in the wine. Over and over again, God spoke about doing the Commandments as a testiment of our love for Him.
The Early Church was Eucharistic, they preached open adherence to the Commandments, unity in the Body, unity in faith, the grace and mercy of God, love of God and neighbor, they catechized converts toward Baptism, Repentance and Regeneration (Confirmation in the Holy Spirit).
Jews did not believe then (and don't believe now) in the separate entity (Person) of the Holy Spirit. Judeo/Christian converts may have known or heard of Jesus, but they had to be catechized on the Holy Spirit. The same for Greek and Roman or Eqyptian converts. Their pagan faiths didn't have an indwelling Holy Spirit.
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Carnal interpretation of Scripture?
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II. "BODY AND SOUL BUT TRULY ONE"
362 The human person, created in the image of God, is a being at once corporeal and spiritual. The biblical account expresses this reality in symbolic language when it affirms that "then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being."229 Man, whole and entire, is therefore willed by God.
363 In Sacred Scripture the term "soul" often refers to human life or the entire human person.230
But "soul" also refers to the innermost aspect of man, that which is of greatest value in him,231 that by which he is most especially in God's image: "soul" signifies the spiritual principle in man.
364 The human body shares in the dignity of "the image of God": it is a human body precisely because it is animated by a spiritual soul, and it is the whole human person that is intended to become, in the body of Christ, a temple of the Spirit:232
Man, though made of body and soul, is a unity.
Through his very bodily condition he sums up in himself the elements of the material world. Through him they are thus brought to their highest perfection and can raise their voice in praise freely given to the Creator.
For this reason man may not despise his bodily life. Rather he is obliged to regard his body as good and to hold it in honor since God has created it and will raise it up on the last day. 233
365 The unity of soul and body is so profound that one has to consider the soul to be the "form" of the body:234 i.e., it is because of its spiritual soul that the body made of matter becomes a living, human body; spirit and matter, in man, are not two natures united, but rather their union forms a single nature.
366 The Church teaches that every spiritual soul is created immediately by God - it is not "produced" by the parents - and also that it is immortal: it does not perish when it separates from the body at death, and it will be reunited with the body at the final Resurrection.235
367 Sometimes the soul is distinguished from the spirit: St. Paul for instance prays that God may sanctify his people "wholly", with "spirit and soul and body" kept sound and blameless at the Lord's coming.236 The Church teaches that this distinction does not introduce a duality into the soul.237 "Spirit" signifies that from creation man is ordered to a supernatural end and that his soul can gratuitously be raised beyond all it deserves to communion with God.238
368 The spiritual tradition of the Church also emphasizes the heart, in the biblical sense of the depths of one's being, where the person decides for or against God.239
230 Cf. Mt 16:25-26; Jn 15:13; Acts 2:41.
231 Cf. Mt 10:28; 26:38; Jn 12:27; 2 Macc 6:30.
232 Cf. 1 Cor 6:19-20; 15:44-45.
233 GS 14 § 1; cf. Dan 3:57-80.
234 Cf. Council of Vienne (1312): DS 902.
235 Cf. Pius XII, Humani Generis: DS 3896; Paul VI, CPG § 8; Lateran Council V (1513): DS 1440.
236 1 Thess 5:23.
237 Cf. Council of Constantinople IV (870): DS 657.
238 Cf. Vatican Council I, Dei Filius: DS 3005; GS 22 § 5; Humani Generis: DS 3891.
239 Cf. Jer 31:33; Deut 6:5; 29:3; Isa 29:13; Ezek 36:26; Mt 6:21; Lk 8:15; Rom 5:5.
Edited by bwellmysoul on 05/30/2012 17:07:20
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Evangelist, you don't even accept the Bible as your final authority, so please stop asking Catholics that question.
Catholics at least consider the Bible to be authoritative and binding whereas most Protestants, including you, consider it to be more of a general guide when it suits you and something that the "spirit" nullifies when it doesn't.
What i don't accept from the you is your carnal bible interpretation of scriptures, even though we both have some what the same exact bible, but many strange spirits are twisting your revelation truth knowledge, which I thin it is a spirit of error from rome alone!
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Evangelist,
In all kindness, God said over and over and over that He would be in the bread and in the wine. Over and over again, God spoke about doing the Commandments as a testiment of our love for Him.
The Early Church was Eucharistic, they preached open adherence to the Commandments, unity in the Body, unity in faith, the grace and mercy of God, love of God and neighbor, they catechized converts toward Baptism, Repentance and Regeneration (Confirmation in the Holy Spirit).
Jews did not believe then (and don't believe now) in the separate entity (Person) of the Holy Spirit. Judeo/Christian converts may have known or heard of Jesus, but they had to be catechized on the Holy Spirit. The same for Greek and Roman or Eqyptian converts. Their pagan faiths didn't have an indwelling Holy Spirit.
Are you saying we should eat ourselves or we are eating ourselves when we take place in rememberance of the Lord supper??
Also at the Lord supper what part of the body did the apostles eat from Jesus , His leg, foot, eyes or brains??
If you are saying this is the eucharist in litterally physically eating Jesus then it contradicts the bible meaning, but if you are doing this in a spiritual manner I would say you have great faith!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 05/31/2012 03:24:56
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Evangelist, you don't even accept the Bible as your final authority, so please stop asking Catholics that question.
Catholics at least consider the Bible to be authoritative and binding whereas most Protestants, including you, consider it to be more of a general guide when it suits you and something that the "spirit" nullifies when it doesn't.
What i don't accept from the you is your carnal bible interpretation of scriptures, even though we both have some what the same exact bible, but many strange spirits are twisting your revelation truth knowledge, which I thin it is a spirit of error from rome alone!
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Evangelist,
In all kindness, God said over and over and over that He would be in the bread and in the wine. Over and over again, God spoke about doing the Commandments as a testiment of our love for Him.
The Early Church was Eucharistic, they preached open adherence to the Commandments, unity in the Body, unity in faith, the grace and mercy of God, love of God and neighbor, they catechized converts toward Baptism, Repentance and Regeneration (Confirmation in the Holy Spirit).
Jews did not believe then (and don't believe now) in the separate entity (Person) of the Holy Spirit. Judeo/Christian converts may have known or heard of Jesus, but they had to be catechized on the Holy Spirit. The same for Greek and Roman or Eqyptian converts. Their pagan faiths didn't have an indwelling Holy Spirit.
Are you saying we should eat ourselves or we are eating ourselves when we take place in rememberance of the Lord supper??
Also at the Lord supper what part of the body did the apostles eat from Jesus , His leg, foot, eyes or brains??
If you are saying this is the eucharist in litterally physically eating Jesus then it contradicts the bible meaning, but if you are doing this in a spiritual manner I would say you have great faith!
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Evangelist,
You don't actually believe in miracles of God?
In the multiplication of the loaves; in His changing of water into wine; in His ability to call animals, in His ability to walk upon water, in His ability to save a bush consumed by fire, in His ability to heal all illness - physical and mental, in His ability to create the Universe, etc.
Where is your faith in the spoken words of God?
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