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I have asked God so many times why we have so many issues, and division in the body of Christ and with many churches and religion is the revelation, that they haven't heard and know the true Good news of Christ Gospel, wheich even Paul showed us and is trying to teach more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Heb:6:1: Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb:6:2: Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
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Are you trying to excise some point from Hebrews 6 at the exclusion of Hebrews 5?
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Hebrews 5
About this we have much to say, and it is difficult to explain, for you have become sluggish in hearing. 12
Although you should be teachers by this time, you need to have someone teach you again the basic elements of the utterances of God. You need milk, (and) not solid food. 13
Everyone who lives on milk lacks experience of the word of righteousness, for he is a child. 14
But solid food is for the mature, for those whose faculties are trained by practice to discern good and evil.
Then starts Hebrews 6
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Therefore, let us leave behind the basic teaching about Christ and advance to maturity, without laying the foundation all over again: repentance from dead works and faith in God, 2
instruction about baptisms 1 and laying on of hands, resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment. 3
And we shall do this, if only God permits.
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Introduction to Hebrews
As early as the second century, this treatise, which is of great rhetorical power and force in its admonition to faithful pilgrimage under Christ's leadership, bore the title "To the Hebrews."
It was assumed to be directed to Jewish Christians.
Usually Hebrews was attached in Greek manuscripts to the collection of letters by Paul.
Although no author is mentioned (for there is no address), a reference to Timothy (Hebrews 13:23) suggested connections to the circle of Paul and his assistants. Yet the exact audience, the author, and even whether Hebrews is a letter have long been disputed.
The author saw the addressees in danger of apostasy from their Christian faith.
This danger was due not to any persecution from outsiders but to a weariness with the demands of Christian life and a growing indifference to their calling Hebrews 2:1; 4:14; 6:1-12; 10:23-32).
The author's main theme, the priesthood and sacrifice of Jesus (Heb 3-10), is not developed for its own sake but as a means of restoring their lost fervor and strengthening them in their faith.
Another important theme of the letter is that of the pilgrimage of the people of God to the heavenly Jerusalem (11:10; 12:1-3, 18-29; 13:14). This theme is intimately connected with that of Jesus' ministry in the heavenly sanctuary (Hebrews 9:11-10:22).
Just as the infidelity of the people thwarted Moses' efforts to save them, so the infidelity of any Christian may thwart God's plan in Christ (3:6-4:13).
Christians are to reflect that it is their humanity that Jesus took upon himself, with all its defects save sinfulness, and that he bore the burden of it until death out of obedience to God.
God declared this work of his Son to be the cause of salvation for all (Hebrews 4:14-5:10).
Although Christians recognize this fundamental teaching, they may grow weary of it and of its implications, and therefore require other reflections to stimulate their faith (5:11-6:20).
The author calls this work a "message of encouragement" (Hebrews 13:22), a designation that is given to a synagogue sermon in Acts 13:15.
Hebrews is probably therefore a written homily, to which the author gave an epistolary ending (Hebrews 13:22-25).
Edited by bwellmysoul on 05/24/2012 12:27:26
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Heb:6:1: Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb:6:2: Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
one love
Are you trying to excise some point from Hebrews 6 at the exclusion of Hebrews 5?
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Hebrews 5
About this we have much to say, and it is difficult to explain, for you have become sluggish in hearing. 12
Although you should be teachers by this time, you need to have someone teach you again the basic elements of the utterances of God. You need milk, (and) not solid food. 13
Everyone who lives on milk lacks experience of the word of righteousness, for he is a child. 14
But solid food is for the mature, for those whose faculties are trained by practice to discern good and evil.
Then starts Hebrews 6
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Therefore, let us leave behind the basic teaching about Christ and advance to maturity, without laying the foundation all over again: repentance from dead works and faith in God, 2
instruction about baptisms 1 and laying on of hands, resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment. 3
And we shall do this, if only God permits.
quote:
Introduction to Hebrews
As early as the second century, this treatise, which is of great rhetorical power and force in its admonition to faithful pilgrimage under Christ's leadership, bore the title "To the Hebrews."
It was assumed to be directed to Jewish Christians.
Usually Hebrews was attached in Greek manuscripts to the collection of letters by Paul.
Although no author is mentioned (for there is no address), a reference to Timothy (Hebrews 13:23) suggested connections to the circle of Paul and his assistants. Yet the exact audience, the author, and even whether Hebrews is a letter have long been disputed.
The author saw the addressees in danger of apostasy from their Christian faith.
This danger was due not to any persecution from outsiders but to a weariness with the demands of Christian life and a growing indifference to their calling Hebrews 2:1; 4:14; 6:1-12; 10:23-32).
The author's main theme, the priesthood and sacrifice of Jesus (Heb 3-10), is not developed for its own sake but as a means of restoring their lost fervor and strengthening them in their faith.
Another important theme of the letter is that of the pilgrimage of the people of God to the heavenly Jerusalem (11:10; 12:1-3, 18-29; 13:14). This theme is intimately connected with that of Jesus' ministry in the heavenly sanctuary (Hebrews 9:11-10:22).
Just as the infidelity of the people thwarted Moses' efforts to save them, so the infidelity of any Christian may thwart God's plan in Christ (3:6-4:13).
Christians are to reflect that it is their humanity that Jesus took upon himself, with all its defects save sinfulness, and that he bore the burden of it until death out of obedience to God.
God declared this work of his Son to be the cause of salvation for all (Hebrews 4:14-5:10).
Although Christians recognize this fundamental teaching, they may grow weary of it and of its implications, and therefore require other reflections to stimulate their faith (5:11-6:20).
The author calls this work a "message of encouragement" (Hebrews 13:22), a designation that is given to a synagogue sermon in Acts 13:15.
Hebrews is probably therefore a written homily, to which the author gave an epistolary ending (Hebrews 13:22-25).
bwellmysoul have you ever study and done a long personal research bible study on the whole book alone on Hebrews???
Hebrews is my best book so far out the whole bible and second is Romans, which I reseach one complete year on only this book!
It was awesome revelations and helped change my life!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 05/24/2012 13:11:26
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what is important is to accept the whole book and just insert your private intepretations onto certain sections and then ignoring the rest.
These are both incredible books and can really be life changers, but if anyone thinks that the intended message is that we can get away with what Adam could not, is very mistaken.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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bwellmysoul have you ever study and done a long personal research bible study on the whole book alone on Hebrews???
Hebrews is my best book so far out the whole bible and second is Romans, which I reseach one complete year on only this book!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 06/23/2012 03:19:35
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what is important is to accept the whole book and just insert your private intepretations onto certain sections and then ignoring the rest.
These are both incredible books and can really be life changers, but if anyone thinks that the intended message is that we can get away with what Adam could not, is very mistaken.
That is all good to be able to teach the whole book but step by step is a starting stage to having true revelation and understanding to truth , because satan can twist the bible with many people philosophy , which is done in most churchy, and churchy people!
That is why line upon line is important ad knowing oe truth can bring manifested power and anointing into this realm of this world like healings, prosperity, etc!
I found the truth for instance in Isiah 53:5 for my manifestation of my healing of HIV!
One setence of truth was enough!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I do line upon line, but you have been skipping lines and leaping over words and phrases and trying to recombine verses to make something that wasn't there.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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I do line upon line, but you have been skipping lines and leaping over words and phrases and trying to recombine verses to make something that wasn't there.
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Well?
You only accept half of Acts 2:38. You think John 15 has nothing to do with you. You take Romans 3:25 to mean that all future sins are in the past when it says that previously committed sins are forgiven.
You swap out words and rearrange passages as if they were your personal play thing.
Like I have said many times you keep playing the Scriptures like a deck of cards. Instead of dealing with verses that go against what you want to believe, you try make other verses trump it as it one verse could wipe out another verse.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Well?
You only accept half of Acts 2:38. You think John 15 has nothing to do with you. You take Romans 3:25 to mean that all future sins are in the past when it says that previously committed sins are forgiven.
You swap out words and rearrange passages as if they were your personal play thing.
Like I have said many times you keep playing the Scriptures like a deck of cards. Instead of dealing with verses that go against what you want to believe, you try make other verses trump it as it one verse could wipe out another verse.
If this is why you don't accept the sola scripture and authority of the bible because you look at it as a deck of card I can understand why you and your church Catholic don't accept God Word as being the perfect divine order with bearing witnesses of each other, line upon line, precept upon precepts!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Well?
You only accept half of Acts 2:38. You think John 15 has nothing to do with you. You take Romans 3:25 to mean that all future sins are in the past when it says that previously committed sins are forgiven.
You swap out words and rearrange passages as if they were your personal play thing.
Like I have said many times you keep playing the Scriptures like a deck of cards. Instead of dealing with verses that go against what you want to believe, you try make other verses trump it as it one verse could wipe out another verse.
If this is why you don't accept the sola scripture and authority of the bible because you look at it as a deck of card I can understand why you and your church Catholic don't accept God Word as being the perfect divine order with bearing witnesses of each other, line upon line, precept upon precepts!
one love
evangelist you do not even accept sola scriptura
In another thread you said
"According to Greek scolar and translater even in Romans 8 a extra sentence was added to verse one which is in the original not even there, when it say( walking in the light) for instance!"
and also said
"many people even say Mark 16 should not even be in the bible"
Who cares what some Protestant greek so called scolar & translater with no authority says or does not say? Do you follow the bible or some Protestant greek so called scolar & translater?
Do these "many people" even have names that say Mark 16 should not even be in the bible?
Why would you follow "many people" in other words men, over the bible?
evangelist I can understand why you and your church Protestant don't accept God Word as being the perfect divine order with bearing witnesses of each other, line upon line, precept upon precepts!
one love
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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Originally posted by michael
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Well?
You only accept half of Acts 2:38. You think John 15 has nothing to do with you. You take Romans 3:25 to mean that all future sins are in the past when it says that previously committed sins are forgiven.
You swap out words and rearrange passages as if they were your personal play thing.
Like I have said many times you keep playing the Scriptures like a deck of cards. Instead of dealing with verses that go against what you want to believe, you try make other verses trump it as it one verse could wipe out another verse.
If this is why you don't accept the sola scripture and authority of the bible because you look at it as a deck of card I can understand why you and your church Catholic don't accept God Word as being the perfect divine order with bearing witnesses of each other, line upon line, precept upon precepts!
one love
evangelist you do not even accept sola scriptura
In another thread you said
"According to Greek scolar and translater even in Romans 8 a extra sentence was added to verse one which is in the original not even there, when it say( walking in the light) for instance!"
and also said
"many people even say Mark 16 should not even be in the bible"
Who cares what some Protestant greek so called scolar & translater with no authority says or does not say? Do you follow the bible or some Protestant greek so called scolar & translater?
Do these "many people" even have names that say Mark 16 should not even be in the bible?
Why would you follow "many people" in other words men, over the bible?
evangelist I can understand why you and your church Protestant don't accept God Word as being the perfect divine order with bearing witnesses of each other, line upon line, precept upon precepts!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by michael
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Well?
You only accept half of Acts 2:38. You think John 15 has nothing to do with you. You take Romans 3:25 to mean that all future sins are in the past when it says that previously committed sins are forgiven.
You swap out words and rearrange passages as if they were your personal play thing.
Like I have said many times you keep playing the Scriptures like a deck of cards. Instead of dealing with verses that go against what you want to believe, you try make other verses trump it as it one verse could wipe out another verse.
If this is why you don't accept the sola scripture and authority of the bible because you look at it as a deck of card I can understand why you and your church Catholic don't accept God Word as being the perfect divine order with bearing witnesses of each other, line upon line, precept upon precepts!
one love
evangelist you do not even accept sola scriptura
In another thread you said
"According to Greek scolar and translater even in Romans 8 a extra sentence was added to verse one which is in the original not even there, when it say( walking in the light) for instance!"
and also said
"many people even say Mark 16 should not even be in the bible"
Who cares what some Protestant greek so called scolar & translater with no authority says or does not say? Do you follow the bible or some Protestant greek so called scolar & translater?
Do these "many people" even have names that say Mark 16 should not even be in the bible?
Why would you follow "many people" in other words men, over the bible?
evangelist I can understand why you and your church Protestant don't accept God Word as being the perfect divine order with bearing witnesses of each other, line upon line, precept upon precepts!
one love
Why does Protestantism even accept sola scriptura when they themselve KNOW that it is totally illogical for any individual to interpret scripture however they want?
Why does Protestantism even accept sola scriptura when they themselve KNOW that it is totally illogical & know it = total chaos?
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Well?
You only accept half of Acts 2:38. You think John 15 has nothing to do with you. You take Romans 3:25 to mean that all future sins are in the past when it says that previously committed sins are forgiven.
You swap out words and rearrange passages as if they were your personal play thing.
Like I have said many times you keep playing the Scriptures like a deck of cards. Instead of dealing with verses that go against what you want to believe, you try make other verses trump it as it one verse could wipe out another verse.
If this is why you don't accept the sola scripture and authority of the bible because you look at it as a deck of card I can understand why you and your church Catholic don't accept God Word as being the perfect divine order with bearing witnesses of each other, line upon line, precept upon precepts!
one love
When have I ever done that? Name one verse that I have not accepted as applying to me?
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Originally posted by michael
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by michael
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Well?
You only accept half of Acts 2:38. You think John 15 has nothing to do with you. You take Romans 3:25 to mean that all future sins are in the past when it says that previously committed sins are forgiven.
You swap out words and rearrange passages as if they were your personal play thing.
Like I have said many times you keep playing the Scriptures like a deck of cards. Instead of dealing with verses that go against what you want to believe, you try make other verses trump it as it one verse could wipe out another verse.
If this is why you don't accept the sola scripture and authority of the bible because you look at it as a deck of card I can understand why you and your church Catholic don't accept God Word as being the perfect divine order with bearing witnesses of each other, line upon line, precept upon precepts!
one love
evangelist you do not even accept sola scriptura
In another thread you said
"According to Greek scolar and translater even in Romans 8 a extra sentence was added to verse one which is in the original not even there, when it say( walking in the light) for instance!"
and also said
"many people even say Mark 16 should not even be in the bible"
Who cares what some Protestant greek so called scolar & translater with no authority says or does not say? Do you follow the bible or some Protestant greek so called scolar & translater?
Do these "many people" even have names that say Mark 16 should not even be in the bible?
Why would you follow "many people" in other words men, over the bible?
evangelist I can understand why you and your church Protestant don't accept God Word as being the perfect divine order with bearing witnesses of each other, line upon line, precept upon precepts!
one love
Why does Protestantism even accept sola scriptura when they themselve KNOW that it is totally illogical for any individual to interpret scripture however they want?
Why does Protestantism even accept sola scriptura when they themselve KNOW that it is totally illogical & know it = total chaos?
Because the bible says to rightly divide the bible and that is our duty and rights!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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