Reliability of the Bible
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I have decided to make this the next topic for my skeptics group.I'm familiar with the sections of the Catechism on this subject, and I also have the information gathered in the two "Evidence That Demands a Verdict" volumes... plus a parallel of the synoptic more... Edited by Diana Holberg on 03/11/2012 20:38:58
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It is difficult to express an opinion of the Bible because it has become BIG BUSINESS, the merchendizing of it. Any time you touch someone's pocket he will scream to back off or you will face eternal damnation.
The Bible can not be a credible document as it is based on hearsay, no first hand witness testimony.
Let me say that all living beings, human, animal or other, are subject to the re-birth cycle. Once in approx. a thousand years we are reborn on earth, bringing latent memories of our past lives. By telepathy it is possible to bring these memories to surface, not all of it, but the more prominent ones, those that made a significant imprint in you memory bank.
Jesus lived approx. two thousand years ago, thus he and his contemporaries are due for new lives on earth today. And in fact they are, or died recently. Joseph died not long ago, Mary still lives, his five siblings are all alive; the apostles, well some are alive, some has passed; the man know as Pontius Pilate is alive today. If you learn telepathy, you can ask them directly who they are today and how they lived as contemporaries of Jesus two thousand years ago.
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whoa. k. well back on "planet earth" .....
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Miss Bondar,If you are certain of these thin gs how about sharing where Puntius Pilate is today?Did you know I am not coming back ever again???? Not ever????NADA because I am going to stay with the energies of the universe all the energies that are GOD! I will never again return:)B3
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Nothing in the Bible contradicts the Catholic Church teachings & that is why the Catholic Church did not change anything in the Bible in the time period over a millennium before the Protestants existed or seen the Bible.
The reliability of the Bible is directly proportional to the reliability of the Catholic Church.
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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I was listening to Fr. Mitch on EWTN explain Martin Luther's exclusion and reinclusion of various Books of Sacred Scripture.
I didn't realize it, but according to Fr. Mitch, Luther's canon is a reversion back to the Pharisee canon.
A good explanation of the making of the canon is at:
http://www.fisheaters.com/septuagint.html
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...in other words, the Protestant "Reformers" decided against the canon held dear by the Apostles in favor of a canon determined by Pharisees some 40 years after Jesus rose from the dead -- the same Pharisees who denied the Truths of the entire New Testament, even accusing the "Nazarenes" of stealing Jesus' body from the tomb and lying to the world!
(Interestingly, it was Zakkai's successor, Gamaliel, who forced the "Nazarenes" out of the synagogues. Gamaliel also made it obligatory for Jews to pray the "Prayer of Eighteen Petitions," the 12th petition, which is still prayed today, known as the birkat, being "For apostates may there be no hope, and may the Nazarenes and heretics suddenly perish.")
And do you know why the Book of Maccabees was thrown out by the Jewish Council?
Because the Council was conducted under the auspices of the Flavian Roman Emperors and they decided that that particuar book, which tells of the Maccabean Revolt, might be inflammatory and incite rebellion by the Jews.
So, all those Protestant Bibles are lacking the Book of Maccabees, which speaks clearly of praying for the dead, because a pagan emperor pressured the Pharisees, around 40 years after the Resurrection of Christ, to exclude it.
And lest anyone is still tempted to think that it was the "Roman Church" that came up with these books and that they were not written by pre-Christ Jews (an assertion I've actually read at "Messianic" websites), Jews in other parts of the world who didn't get news of the Council of Jamnia's decisions still use those "extra" 7 books to this very day (research the canon used by Ethiopian Jewry).
Edited by bwellmysoul on 03/20/2012 14:14:52
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Nothing in the Bible contradicts the Catholic Church teachings & that is why the Catholic Church did not change anything in the Bible in the time period over a millennium before the Protestants existed or seen the Bible.
The reliability of the Bible is directly proportional to the reliability of the Catholic Church.
NO! the Catholic church can't change God promises and will of the bible , but satan is using the CC to misinterpretate scripture with the power satan only can use on us humans is with his powers of deceptions and lies and lack of true knowledge!
When satan can decieve a person or some religious club to not stand on the bible as the final authority as God written promises to us then he is winning over that person or church to have a stronghold and big open door to walk in and out and decieve the people who are in a war without any weapons or shields or no protections.
It is like going to war on luck hoping you just don't get shot, but never can fight back!
God word will never turn void it is fully reliable:
Isaiah 55:11
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 03/21/2012 09:17:27
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Nothing in the Bible contradicts the Catholic Church teachings & that is why the Catholic Church did not change anything in the Bible in the time period over a millennium before the Protestants existed or seen the Bible.
The reliability of the Bible is directly proportional to the reliability of the Catholic Church.
NO! the Catholic church can't change God promises and will of the bible , but satan is using the CC to misinterpretate scripture with the power satan only can use on us humans is with his powers of deceptions and lies and lack of true knowledge!
When satan can decieve a person or some religious club to not stand on the bible as the final authority as God written promises to us then he is winning over that person or church to have a stronghold and big open door to walk in and out and decieve the people who are in a war without any weapons or shields or no protections.
It is like going to war on luck hoping you just don't get shot, but never can fight back!
God word will never turn void it is fully reliable:
Isaiah 55:11
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
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Unfortuneately, your personal interpretation of the "bible" is different than the next person's personal interpretation of Sacred Scripture.
That is why Sacred Scripture says that the Church is the "pillar and bulwark" of the Truth.
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"If I (St. Paul) am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth. Without any doubt, the mystery of our religion is great..." [1 Tim. 15-16]
The Apostolic Church interpreted Sacred Scripture for her people and the Magisterium continues to do that today on modern matters of faith and morals.
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Nothing in the Bible contradicts the Catholic Church teachings & that is why the Catholic Church did not change anything in the Bible in the time period over a millennium before the Protestants existed or seen the Bible.
The reliability of the Bible is directly proportional to the reliability of the Catholic Church.
NO! the Catholic church can't change God promises and will of the bible , but satan is using the CC to misinterpretate scripture with the power satan only can use on us humans is with his powers of deceptions and lies and lack of true knowledge!
When satan can decieve a person or some religious club to not stand on the bible as the final authority as God written promises to us then he is winning over that person or church to have a stronghold and big open door to walk in and out and decieve the people who are in a war without any weapons or shields or no protections.
It is like going to war on luck hoping you just don't get shot, but never can fight back!
God word will never turn void it is fully reliable:
Isaiah 55:11
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
one love
The Bible is a Catholic book.
The Catholic Church does not want to change its bible.
Right from the beginning of Protestantism with Martin Luther he wanted to change the bible because it contradicted his Protestant beliefs. He put faith alone in his bible & removed 7 books.
Protestants are the ones who try to change the bible.
The reliability of the Bible is directly proportional to the reliability of the Catholic Church & there is no way of getting around that.
If a Protestant rejects the Catholic Church they must also reject the bible which Protestants got from the Catholic Church.
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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they refuse to understand that simple concept though.. for some reason tradition is o.k. where their acceptance of the bible is concerned.
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No Mike that is not true the Protestsnts left the C ahtolic churches because they understood that by just doing good did nt get you to heaven but by Faioth and good works. When Jesus died his royal blood saved sinners from eternal death if they would follow him and serve one master the Father not other Gods and not man or material things of this world.I can reject the plate you served me my dinner on but I may just eat the dinner on an other plate because your mught be dirty on the inside.
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No Mike that is not true the Protestsnts left the C ahtolic churches because they understood that by just doing good did nt get you to heaven but by Faioth and good works.
So the Protestants believed in "faith plus works", so they left the Catholic Church? That's a little ironic.
"Be good, keep your feet dry, your eyes open, your heart at peace and your soul in the joy of Christ." - Thomas Merton
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hilarious. i thought the problem was that catholics thought faith was dead without works.. and that the prots did away with works because they wanted cheap grace.
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When satan can decieve a person or some religious club to not stand on the bible as the final authority as God written promises to us then he is winning over that person or church to have a stronghold and big open door to walk in and out and decieve the people who are in a war without any weapons or shields or no protections.
The final authority in Christian history was never a book.(until the reformation) This is the same mistake the Pharisees made. The Christian bible was a product of the Church not visa versa. Therefore, when it comes to bible truth the Church has the authority. I can understand how difficult this concept must be to comprehend when there are thousands of churches all claiming to be the true Church Christ founded. It's unfortunate that millions of people have been deceived by a false man-made doctrine called bible-alone (Sola-Scriptura)
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