Can Roman Catholics pretend to be born-again?
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Is it possible that by refraining from many sins diligently frequenting church and attending sacraments, that Roman Catholics can still be in SIN,pretending to be regenerated without being so?
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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Originally posted by mikejuli
Bless you child
Again with the accusation and condemnation
By your own sword you have cut yourself down by showing us all your darkness
Attack us if you want, call us whatever names you choose,
Claim we are bound to men and unable to think for ourselves
And yet every catholic here was once like you.
We were lost in anti Catholicism and it's lies
We bought into that teaching of men until we learned it to be false
It wasn't hard to find its fault once you honestly looked
But it was the addiction of hate, which pulses in your words
That caused us to strike those blows against the ancient church
What I'm trying to say is I've been there and done that and I find your claims wanting
All the more because as people like g4 and Evan have proven time and again
Yall are guilty of what you blame us for.
Your hypocrisy is plain to see
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You all pout when you get spanked by us "stupid Catholics"
It's not our fault you lack an argument.
It should not be seen we are attacking you personally Mike it is really the demonicr religious spirits in front and behind your churchy!
We are at war against those spirits, but because you are in between them it seems like we are attacking you personally the poor catholics members!
When I talk and witness to a mormon or JW i am alway look at thier society to rebuke like the watch tower, or salt lake city society their , or a vatican in rome, not you!
I wish and pray for the best for you Mike and all the people here on Spero to have all God will and blessing more than enough, and recieve the truth to share with others who are decieved!
deception alway look like truth and , so thing which are a lie look like truths and are ok!
I guess that why the gay society for instance are not ashame in thoer deception even to a point of gay marraige as being the truth and ok for this world.
No matter what evidence , proofs , other truth said or shown , they will be alway traped in thier lies, undera delusion!
2Th:2:9: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th:2:10: And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th:2:11: And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th:2:12: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2Th:2:13: But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
2Th:2:14: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th:2:15: Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by Conqueror
Is it possible that by refraining from many sins
diligently frequenting church and attending sacraments,
that Roman Catholics can still be in SIN,
pretending to be regenerated without being so?
Yes many many are like this!
2Th:2:9: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th:2:10: And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th:2:11: And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th:2:12: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2Th:2:13: But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
2Th:2:14: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th:2:15: Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
How you like these verses which shows why the CC is so decieved, not even to know they can be saved instead of getting saved one day?
Ask any Catholic here from their own mouth are they right now saved, and born again, or have eternal redemption!
They will say they are hoping one day they might be saved but it is not a done deal like us born again christians now have in our spirits born of God!
Shalom
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
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Originally posted by Conqueror
I am not here to be boxed in some theological corner.
Catholics are vicious
and like satan they will use anything to their advantage
You may judge if my words can be supported
by the revelation of God in the scriptures
Bless you child as you curse, abuse and commit the sin of calumny against Catholics.
Sometime the truth hurts , but it can set you free indeed!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by mikejuli
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Originally posted by Conqueror
Is it possible that by refraining from many sins
diligently frequenting church and attending sacraments,
that Roman Catholics can still be in SIN,
pretending to be regenerated without being so?
Yes many many are like this!
Many non Catholics too. 
However it is most likely the case that most of those who adhere to the ancient faith
Aren't pretending at all. I'm not sure where the non Catholics would come in on this as much of the non catholic world is appearance oriented.
OK, let put this to a test MIKE!
Are you saved now Mike and born again?
Are you still a sinner not saved by grace?
If you are saved past tense by grace ,even when you have sinned, you should still be saved.
It is the blood of Jesus which helped us to be born again and that blood sacrafice was done once and for all time, so you don't have to put Christ on the cross again and again to get more blood to was a new sin away.
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
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Originally posted by Conqueror
I am not here to be boxed in some theological corner.
Catholics are vicious
and like satan they will use anything to their advantage
You may judge if my words can be supported
by the revelation of God in the scriptures
Bless you child as you curse, abuse and commit the sin of calumny against Catholics.
Sometime the truth hurts , but it can set you free indeed!
one love
The truth has set us free. Oh yeah, you're talking to Con.
"Be good, keep your feet dry, your eyes open, your heart at peace and your soul in the joy of Christ." - Thomas Merton
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Are you saved now Mike and born again?
Are you still a sinner not saved by grace?
If you are saved past tense by grace ,even when you have sinned, you should still be saved.
It is the blood of Jesus which helped us to be born again and that blood sacrafice was done once and for all time, so you don't have to put Christ on the cross again and again to get more blood to was a new sin away.
Really?
Three sets of Scripture please (your man-made requirement) verifying that our willful mortal actions don't count against our soul's eternal salvation.
Cracks me up, the ego you exhibit as you preach your non-Apostolic gospel to other Christians here ... and then preach that Christians should not acknowledge themselves a "sinner" while they stay in a state of unrepentant mortal sin.
And...of course we all are "saved" from death of self and from our sin; by the grace of God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
They created us; mind and body and They gave us our soul.
Alone, we are dust.
Edited by bwellmysoul on 08/08/2012 13:09:54
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Perhaps you can start Evangelist, by refuting these passages in Sacred Scripture:
1 Cor. 6:9-10;
8 Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11
Eph. 5:5;
3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. 4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater —has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.[a]
Rev. 22:18;
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
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Originally posted by evangelist
OK, let put this to a test MIKE!
Are you saved now Mike and born again?
Are you still a sinner not saved by grace?
If you are saved past tense by grace ,even when you have sinned, you should still be saved.
It is the blood of Jesus which helped us to be born again and that blood sacrafice was done once and for all time, so you don't have to put Christ on the cross again and again to get more blood to was a new sin away.
one love
Your funny. I'm simply a christian Evan. I'm not making claims that would negate my free will, nor am I trying to crucify Christ over and over, which would be impossible given the eternal nature of Christ. I suggest you stop trying to squish me and the other Catholics here into you dim man made gimmicks.
If you are concerned about salvation than you can go to my post on proving your saved and give an answer there. If you cannot prove your case then you can admit we were right. 
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If you are saved past tense by grace ,even when you have sinned, you should still be saved.
Not true! Read Revelation 2:1-5 for yourself and you will see how those once “saved” could fall away and need repentance to be saved. Now, what will happen if they fail to repent?
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Originally posted by evangelist
It is the blood of Jesus which helped us to be born again and that blood sacrafice was done once and for all time,
That is redemption, not salvation. Jesus redeemed humanity for all time; we will never need another redeemer ever. But for you to be saved you have to “do” something and move towards Christ ... and remain in Him until your last day on earth.
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so you don't have to put Christ on the cross again and again to get more blood to was a new sin away.
You are right! There is no need to put Christ on the cross again and again ... and it is not possible either. But Christ’s sacrifice is not past tense, it is present tense. Christ is our High Priest NOW. What do high priests do? If Christ is our High Priest NOW what is He doing NOW?
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
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Originally posted by Conqueror
I am not here to be boxed in some theological corner.
Catholics are vicious
and like satan they will use anything to their advantage
You may judge if my words can be supported
by the revelation of God in the scriptures
Bless you child as you curse, abuse and commit the sin of calumny against Catholics.
Sometime the truth hurts , but it can set you free indeed!
one love
The truth has set us free. Oh yeah, you're talking to Con.
So are you believng on your society Roman catholic vatican that set you free and the vatican has the truth and nothing but the vatican truth like the Watch tower and JW say they are free from?
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
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Are you saved now Mike and born again?
Are you still a sinner not saved by grace?
If you are saved past tense by grace ,even when you have sinned, you should still be saved.
It is the blood of Jesus which helped us to be born again and that blood sacrafice was done once and for all time, so you don't have to put Christ on the cross again and again to get more blood to was a new sin away.
Really?
Three sets of Scripture please (your man-made requirement) verifying that our willful mortal actions don't count against our soul's eternal salvation.
Quote Evangelist:
Our soul and mind always need to get renewed, so are you talking about scriptures three or more about your born again spirit which can not sin unlesss you renounce Jesus as the only sin that contaiminates the spirit unto eternal death, and hell with no return??
Cracks me up, the ego you exhibit as you preach your non-Apostolic gospel to other Christians here ... and then preach that Christians should not acknowledge themselves a "sinner" while they stay in a state of unrepentant mortal sin.
And...of course we all are "saved" from death of self and from our sin; by the grace of God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
They created us; mind and body and They gave us our soul.
Alone, we are dust.
I didn't know that Catholic are now called christian they are what they are catholics who follow a vatican as thier final authority, not the Word of God the bible!
That is why it is impossible to deal with catholic with bible priciples and concepts because it is not your final authority, and you have not the spirit of revelation knowledge to discern the truth of the bible, so the truth will alway be a twisted truth like satan twisted the scripture Psalms 91 for Jesus to jump from a temple biblically so the angel would protect Him.
Also you know what? that is exactly what the bible said , and promise that would happen but satan took the deep texts and meaning out of contexts to mulipulate Jesus to bow down to Him, but Jesus knew the final authority of God word and the deep revelation to rebuke satan as a false interpreter, and false interpretation of the scripture, and will of God in which your churrchy catholic church is doing the exact same things with scriptures with us born again christians to say we are wrong and should believe thier error and twisted lies!
That is why praise God you think sola scripture is a false doctrine and the bible not being the final authority has made satan and all his demons so happy to have a CC on their side who doesn't have a sword or shield to protect or stand on against satan and his demons, because no word authority and no, revelation knowledge of the truth , so you can be decieved by his powers you give satan by mixing religion and legalism without a bible truth in your churchy Catholic.
A real born again person will accept the whole truth of the bible and for sure believe everything in the bible to have final authority, so that proof enough for me a witness of preteding to be born again, and not saved and redeemed!
Catholics are exactly what they are a catholic religion born to be a member of that society from Rome alone!
1Co:2:5: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
1Co:2:6: Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
1Co:2:7: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
1Co:2:8: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1Co:2:9: But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Co:2:10: But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
God has also revealed the real truth unto Jesus what satan deception plan to use scriptures from a satan outside carnal view, avoiding the deep truth of God will and knowledge of truth!
Also yes it was a fact angel would have protected Jesus and can, but not the truth in the way to use scriptures to mulipulate Jesus to be decieved!
That is why I hate dealing with a churchy or religious people based on scriptures, and even the bible warn against this because how can you show a blind person the truth when they can't hear or see the written truth in which the catholics are like that!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 08/08/2012 23:57:44
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Geez Evangelist.
Seems like certain denominations have Tourettes.
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I hate dealing with a churchy or religious people based on scriptures,....
I've asked you to explain your OSAS - minus that one mortal sin - philosophy using Sacred Scripture and you're unable to that without entering into your third-person-removed realm of "born again spirit" (lowercased and not the Holy Spirit).
And, it's completely understandable why you have been forced to create that philosophy - outside of Christ's established Church.
Like I've said before, the various protestantisms have "gutted" Christ's sanctifying grace from His Sacraments:
Baptism - only a symbol
Reconciliation - unnecessary
Communion - only a symbol of a dinner that Christ ate with the Apostles
Confirmation with the indwelling Holy Spirit - 3rd person removed "born again (s)pirit" creation
Marriage - not a life long requirement
Holy Orders - every man should self interpret his Bible
Annointing of the sick - prep for miracles and if they don't happen then you must be a sinner and never were "born again"
Edited by bwellmysoul on 08/09/2012 06:22:16
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If you believe that catholics are saved, [Born again] through water baptism, Then you'll have to admitt that most catholics aren't saved, Because they aren't baptised the Bibleical way.
And where is the text that talks about the Biblical way of baptism?
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original Greek texts, You'll know that water baptism doesn't save.
Aha, Jesus was wrong again! And that is an old satanic trick. Immediately after the man was created, Satan came and said God did not mean what He told Adam and Eve.
We see the same trick being aplied here again and again when people like God4me tell us that the Bible does not really mean what it says, not even what Jesus said in John 3:5.
Now, please find time and translate the following texts directly from the original Greek and post your translation here. You never know; I may end up believing what you say.
Here are the texts:
Mark 16:16
Acts 2:38
1 Peter 3:21
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G4Me believes that its the depth of the water in the baptismal font which causes the symbol of baptism to be created.
Not that any of Christ's sanctifying grace is conferred (too Catholic).
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Geez Evangelist.
Seems like certain denominations have Tourettes.
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I hate dealing with a churchy or religious people based on scriptures,....
I've asked you to explain your OSAS - minus that one mortal sin - philosophy using Sacred Scripture and you're unable to that without entering into your third-person-removed realm of "born again spirit" (lowercased and not the Holy Spirit).
And, it's completely understandable why you have been forced to create that philosophy - outside of Christ's established Church.
Like I've said before, the various protestantisms have "gutted" Christ's sanctifying grace from His Sacraments:
Baptism - only a symbol
Reconciliation - unnecessary
Communion - only a symbol of a dinner that Christ ate with the Apostles
Confirmation with the indwelling Holy Spirit - 3rd person removed "born again (s)pirit" creation
Marriage - not a life long requirement
Holy Orders - every man should self interpret his Bible
Annointing of the sick - prep for miracles and if they don't happen then you must be a sinner and never were "born again"
A better understanding and revealing of truth would be a head start by dealing with a JW because they accept the authority of the bible better than any CC or even the mormons!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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