EVANGELIST AND JOHN 3 VERSE 16
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quote:Originally posted by evangelistYou need to really ask the Holy spirit to reveal what John 3:16 really means to you!1. Jesus left us teachers who teach in His name; with His authority; guided by the Holy Spirit. Deny that and you deny the Bible!2. Jesus-appointed more...
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Originally posted by God4me
Just to mention some of the wrong teachings from the catholic church that contradict the Bible.
It seems God4me thinks he practices magic; he thinks something becomes wrong simply because he says it is wrong.
Now, do what I told you. Start a new thread for each item in your laundry list and let us debate. I look forward to such a debate.
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The catholics have to say not every teaching has to be in the Bible, Because they know their doctrines aren't in the Bible.
No, it is actually because the Bible nowhere says each and every doctrine must be in the Bible. All you have to do to prove us wrong is to produce a Bible text that says each and every doctrine must be in the Bible. Produce such a text and I will accept you as my teacher.
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catholics aren't the only group to compile the Bible, Christians did, And they didn't add those unscriptural books that the catholic have added.
You hate church history, right? Can you find a copy of the Bible dated from before 1500 that had only 66 books? Try to find one and let me know.
Between you and me someone is telling lies. For us to know who is telling lies let us produce the evidence. I can produce evidence showing that the very first Bible contained the books you allege were added later.
Now, can you produce evidence showing that a 66 books Bible existed before 1500? Try it, or shut up and sit down!
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The Christian Ministry isn't handed down like a relay race, STOP TELLING LIES.
I have shown you from the Bible that Jesus gives the Ministries and God sets them in the Church.
Yes! And the Bible shows how it is done. But according to you any one is able to read and who has money to a copy of the Bible can appoint himself as a pastor or go to his cronies to appoint him as a pastor. If you insist that it is how it should be done, then you forfeit any right to criticise those whom you do not recognize as true pastors because, according to your own reasoning, they do not need your recognition for them to be able to consider themselves as pastors.
Even those ex-communicated because they refuse to hear the church (Matthew 18:17) can start their own churches and consider themselves true ministers.
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Originally posted by God4me
Where were the catholics for the first 300-600 years, When the Christians were doing all the work??.. The devil hadn't formed the catholic then.
[reb]Clement of Rome Our Apostles knew through our Lord Jesus Christ that there would be strife for the office of bishop. For this reason, therefore, having received perfect foreknowledge, they appointed those who have already been mentioned, and afterwards added the further provision that, if they should die, other approved men should succeed to their ministry (written in 95 AD, i.e. 205 years before 300 and 505 years before 600).
Ignatius of Antioch[/red] Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes (110 AD, that is 190 years before 300 and 490 before 600).
Now, can you produce a single writing from the same period that agrees with what you believe today?
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Christians did compile the Bible, catholics weren't the only ones to compile it.
First, Catholics are Christian; they are what they are, not what you say they are.
Second, you can not produce a copy of the Bible that differs from the Catholic Bible and that dates before 1500. Try it and good luck.
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And we put it in a language that people could read and understand for themselves, [Unlike the evil catholics] Who killed the translaters because the Bible was a thret to the catholic church.
Making a claim is easy, like I always say, but supporting your claim with concrete evidence is what you can never do. You can not name one Pentecostal or Protestant who translated the Bible before 1500. Why? Because such a thing never happened. And why did it never happen? Because Pentecostals did not exist that time. But you choose to believe a lie. Deep in your heart you know that you have no evidence and that what you believe is a lie, but you prefer a lie.
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Just imagine how evil the catholics are, Killing people for translating the Bible into a language that people could understand, Because the Bible was a threat to the catholics.
Wow! I was duped for a very long time. I was all along under the impression that God4me was a non Catholic poster, but as can see now, he is a catholic who is dramatizing non Catholic errors to show how absurd they can be.
If God4me was for real he would have known that he has no evidence of any Pentecostal of Protestant translating the Bible before Martin Luther. He knows there is simply no evidence, but he deceives himself thinking that making a claim would be enough.
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[1]catholics aren't the, "Pillar & ground of truth", You poor deluded soul.
I think you are totally confused. I am not arguing that the Catholic Church is the pillar and ground of truth. We can come to that later. For now I am simply arguing that the church is the pillar and ground of truth.
Now, do you agree that the church is the pillar and ground of truth like the Bible says?
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[2]2 Peter 3:16 The ignorant and unstable twist Scripture to their own destruction.
Proverbs 3:5 Do not rely on your own insight
God4me:
That is the catholic church alright.
If that is the Catholic Church, on whose insight do you rely after discarding the church as irrelevant?
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[3]Jesus was speaking metaphorically in Jn 6.
The same old delusinal behavior: "God4me says so, therefore, it must be so".
Now, you claim your church existed since Pentecost, fine. Can you give me evidence of anyone (before 1500) who taught that Jesus was speaking metaphorically. Should be easy, isn't it?
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Hebrews 13:17 [red]Obey your leaders and defer to them, for they keep watch over you and will have to give an account, that they may fulfil their task with joy and not with sorrow, for that would be of no advantage to you.
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That cannot be the catholic ministers, Because they don't even baptise people the Biblical way, Believing that baptism saves, So catholic ministers don't watch over you.
I did not say it is the Catholic Church. That is not the point I am arguing at this thread. I know how to separate topics.
The point i am arguing is that you need to obey and submit to your leaders. Do you do that? If you do obey and submit to your leaders, then why is it wrong when I do the same? If you do neither obey nor submit to any leader, then you do not follow the Bible.
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As I said, catholics don't believe the Bible.
That is what you say and what you say can be wrong unless you show me proof that you are infallible.
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Evan, you have been shown where Jesus says to obey his commandments. Care to offer me one where he says we can commit any sin we want as long as it is kept secret? Since you said that, I have been a little disturbed, and I would like some clarification.
Evangelist also believes and admits that he does still sin with his body and his mind; only his born again spirit is free of sin.
Strange, yes, but that is what he believes.
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Originally posted by evangelist
You need to really ask the Holy spirit to reveal what John 3:16 really means to you!
1. Jesus left us teachers who teach in His name; with His authority; guided by the Holy Spirit. Deny that and you deny the Bible!
2. Jesus-appointed teachers are perfectly able to tell me what John 3:16 means because Jesus is with them always and the Holy Spirit guides them to the whole truth.
3. The only reason why you might not have those facts is because you keep turning your itching ears to deceivers.
4. John 3:16 means what it says, namely that "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life."
5. Believing “in Him” includes observing all that Jesus commanded.(Matthew 28:19-20) ...
6. Lo and behold, that is exactly what you reject.
7. You pretend to believe “in Him” but you fail to observe all He commanded; in other words you do not really believe “in Him”.
8. Even when you go around boasting of believing "in Him", we know that in practice you reject Him.
That a lie from your part as a catholic unsaved and still a rotten dirty unclean unbiblical revelation of the truth to add something which is not there!
This is what I mean what sinners and catholic and satanist and athiest do with the bible is take the truth out of contexts.
Show me in John 3:16 where it says to do anything as obeying a commandments or obey all the laws and regulation to earn or get eternal life in John 3:16!
John 3:16 NIV
New International Version
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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John 3:16 ASV
American Standard Version
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.
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John 3:16 BBE
Bible in Basic English
For God had such love for the world that he gave his only Son, so that whoever has faith in him may not come to destruction but have eternal life.
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John 3:16 CEB
Common English Bible
God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him won't perish but will have eternal life.
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John 3:16 CJB
Complete Jewish Bible
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only and unique Son, so that everyone who trusts in him may have eternal life, instead of being utterly destroyed.
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John 3:16 RHE
Douay-Rheims
For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son: that whosoever believeth in him may not perish, but may have life everlasting.
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John 3:16 ELB
Elberfelder 1905 (German)
Denn also hat Gott die Welt geliebt, daß er seinen eingeborenen Sohn gab, auf daß jeder, der an ihn glaubt, nicht verloren gehe, sondern ewiges Leben habe.
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John 3:16 ESV
English Standard Version
"For God so loved the world,that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
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John 3:16 GDB
Giovanni Diodati 1649 (Italian)
Perciocchè Iddio ha tanto amato il mondo, ch’egli ha dato il suo unigenito Figliuolo, acciocchè chiunque crede in lui non perisca, ma abbia vita eterna.
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John 3:16 GW
GOD'S WORD Translation
God loved the world this way: He gave his only Son so that everyone who believes in him will not die but will have eternal life.
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John 3:16 GNT
Good News Translation
For God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not die but have eternal life.
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John 3:16 HNV
Hebrew Names Version
For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
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John 3:16 CSB
Holman Christian Standard
"For God loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.
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John 3:16 KJV
King James Version
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish , but have everlasting life.
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John 3:16 BLA
La Biblia de las Américas
Porque de tal manera amó Dios al mundo, que dio a su Hijo unigénito, para que todo aquel que cree en El, no se pierda, mas tenga vida eterna.
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John 3:16 RVR
La Biblia Reina-Valera
Porque de tal manera amó Dios al mundo, que ha dado á su Hijo unigénito, para que todo aquel que en él cree, no se pierda, mas tenga vida eterna.
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John 3:16 LEB
Lexham English Bible
For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.
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John 3:16 LSG
Louis Segond 1910 (French)
Car Dieu a tant aimé le monde qu'il a donné son Fils unique, afin que quiconque croit en lui ne périsse point, mais qu'il ait la vie éternelle.
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John 3:16 LUT
Luther Bible 1912 (German)
Also hat Gott die Welt geliebt, daß er seinen eingeborenen Sohn gab, auf daß alle, die an ihn glauben, nicht verloren werden, sondern das ewige Leben haben.
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John 3:16 NAS
New American Standard
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
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John 3:16 NCV
New Century Version
"God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son so that whoever believes in him may not be lost, but have eternal life.
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John 3:16 NIRV
New International Reader's Version
"God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son. Anyone who believes in him will not die but will have eternal life.
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John 3:16 NKJV
New King James Version
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
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John 3:16 NLT
New Living Translation
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.
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John 3:16 NRS
New Revised Standard
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life.
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John 3:16 OST
Ostervald (French)
Car Dieu a tant aimé le monde, qu'il a donné son Fils unique, afin que quiconque croit en lui ne périsse point, mais qu'il ait la vie éternelle.
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John 3:16 RSV
Revised Standard Version
For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
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John 3:16 RIV
Riveduta 1927 (Italian)
Poiché Iddio ha tanto amato il mondo, che ha dato il suo unigenito Figliuolo, affinché chiunque crede in lui non perisca, ma abbia vita eterna.
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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You need to really ask the Holy spirit to reveal what John 3:16 really means to you!
1. Jesus left us teachers who teach in His name; with His authority; guided by the Holy Spirit. Deny that and you deny the Bible!
2. Jesus-appointed teachers are perfectly able to tell me what John 3:16 means because Jesus is with them always and the Holy Spirit guides them to the whole truth.
3. The only reason why you might not have those facts is because you keep turning your itching ears to deceivers.
4. John 3:16 means what it says, namely that "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life."
5. Believing “in Him” includes observing all that Jesus commanded.(Matthew 28:19-20) ...
6. Lo and behold, that is exactly what you reject.
7. You pretend to believe “in Him” but you fail to observe all He commanded; in other words you do not really believe “in Him”.
8. Even when you go around boasting of believing "in Him", we know that in practice you reject Him.
[1]You said.
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1. Jesus left us teachers who teach in His name; with His authority; guided by the Holy Spirit. Deny that and you deny the Bible!
2. Jesus-appointed teachers are perfectly able to tell me what John 3:16 means because Jesus is with them always and the Holy Spirit guides them to the whole truth.
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I take it you are talking about Christians..
[2]You said.
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The only reason why you might not have those facts is because you keep turning your itching ears to deceivers.
Lo and behold, that is exactly what you reject.
7. You pretend to believe “in Him” but you fail to observe all He commanded; in other words you do not really believe “in Him”.
8. Even when you go around boasting of believing "in Him", we know that in practice you reject Him.
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I take it you are talking about catholics.
Amen G$
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Shalom and enloy your saved born again righteous life in Christ!
Praise God for you that you are now a righteous G4 who is not a sinner not saved by any grace!
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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The Church in Matt 18: 17, Is the TRUE Church, NOT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH...WAKE UP.
Okay, it was the true church, but where was this true church when the Catholic Church was doing all the work? Why did this true church not give believers at least one Bible translation from 300 to 1500? Why is this true church not recorded any where for over a thousand years?
Where were the catholics for the first 300-600 years, When the Christians were doing all the work??.. The devil hadn't formed the catholic then.
Christians did compile the Bible, catholics weren't the only ones to compile it.
And we put it in a language that people could read and understand for themselves, [Unlike the evil catholics] Who killed the translaters because the Bible was a thret to the catholic church.
Just imagine how evil the catholics are, Killing people for translating the Bible into a language that people could understand, Because the Bible was a threat to the catholics.
Is this another fact about the CC G4??WWWWOOOOWWW!
Shalom
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by acumenCry
Evan, you have been shown where Jesus says to obey his commandments. Care to offer me one where he says we can commit any sin we want as long as it is kept secret? Since you said that, I have been a little disturbed, and I would like some clarification.
Evangelist also believes and admits that he does still sin with his body and his mind; only his born again spirit is free of sin.
Strange, yes, but that is what he believes.
AMEN!
the bible teaches this also!
1Jo:3:9: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Notice very close the (AND) in the texts which mean something added onto what was said before as do not was one step, but the second added part John said in the bible is (CANNOT SIN) which in plan english impossible to sin just like it is the same with the Holy Spirit cannot sin, or God cannot lie, or God cannot save and make satan a righteous holy angel again!
So who is lieing you or the bible?
Now if you say the bible is wrong in this texts, then you can debunk my spirit as being sinless and not righteous and I would be like the cc people a sinner not saved neither born again!
http://mediasuite.multicastmedia.com/player.php?v=r5f3pesi
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 08/21/2012 03:09:21
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Context, evan. Context. You can't take one verse out of context and interpret the whole Bible according to it. It won't work. All the holes in your theology are proof of that.
My advice: work on improving your reading comprehension, then look again at the surrounding verses.
"Be good, keep your feet dry, your eyes open, your heart at peace and your soul in the joy of Christ." - Thomas Merton
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http://en.allexperts.com/q/Eastern-Orthodox-1456/2008/12/1-John-1-8.htm
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In 1 John 1:8 he wrote "If we say that we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us".
And then in 1 John 3:9, he wrote "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God".
Some Eternal Security (Onced Saved Always Saved) use 1 John 3:8-9 to prove that a genuine Christian can not lose his or her salvation.
An explanation of the Greek usage of the word Poion and how the English translation is to be understood.
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St. John's use of the tense here is in the habitual sense, not absolute
Edited by bwellmysoul on 08/22/2012 06:43:21
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The problem here is the English language, which is not quite as expressive as the original Greek that the Apostle was actually writing in.
The verbs used in Greek are of a tense that is hard to express in English, the present active participle, which is more correctly expressed as "the one who keeps on doing sin.
The Greek word used is POION, which means habitual.
It is not that we never, ever sin, but that when we sin we are to recognize that as Christians, this is something we must stop doing.
If we keep doing it over and over, we are not really being Christians.
A better, more literal translation of 1 John 3:8-9 would be "Everyone who (h)as been born of God does not keep on doing sin. He is not able to go on sinning.
St. John's use of the tense here is in the habitual sense, not absolute.
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Eastern-Orthodox-1456/2008/12/1-John-1-8.htm
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Early Church Father - Jerome writes in 392 A.D.
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The Blessed Jerome writes:
"Both here and at the end of the Epistle, there would be a real difficulty and one forever incapable of solution were it not solved by the witness of John himself, who immediately goes on to say, 'my little children guard yourselves from the idols (1 John 5:21).'
If everyone who has been born of God does not sin, and cannot be tempted by the devil, how is it that he bids them beware of temptation?
Again in the same Epistle we read; 'if we should say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
If we be confessing our sins, faithful is He and righteous to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we should say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.'
The apostle does not contradict himself, in the same passage he gives his reason for thus speaking;
'I write to you, in order that you might not sin. And if anyone should sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous (1 John 2:1).'
If we give Christ a lodging-place in our hearts, we banish the devil from thence, If we sin and the devil enter through the gate of sin, Christ will immediately withdraw.
Now according to the Epistle of James, 'on many things we all stumble [James 3:2).
But that we may not utterly despair and think that if we sin after baptism we cannot be saved, he immediately checks the tendency, saying that we have an Advocate with the Father,...' and He is the expiation of our sins, and not for ours, only but also for the whole world.
He addresses this to baptized believers, and he promises them the Lord as an advocate for their offenses... Now in 'the whole world' are included apostles and all the faithful, and a clear proof is established that sin after baptism is possible.
It is useless for us to have as an Advocate Jesus Christ, if sin is impossible."
["Against Jovinianus", Book II].
Edited by bwellmysoul on 08/21/2012 12:17:46
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