Was James the First Pope or bishop in Jerusalem?
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Wow! I just read all over the net that James truly was the first bishop in Jerusalem and he died around age 60-65 also that he was the brother of Jesus Christ,where ever I looked it said this and that the Jews have churches in his name and note him as the brother of Jesus more... baby3
Edited by baby3 on 05/09/2012 19:01:54
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
Blathering petulant child; always bawling to get his way.
My job is to give you the truth, And thats what I do.
I prove what the Bible says from the scriptures Hebrew and Greek.
YouTwist and misquote them.
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Nope your the one that twists them g4. And you don't know Greek or Hebrew. Anyone can use a concordance bro. Now please deal with that truth instead of accusing others wrongfully.
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James was a Biblical Bishop,[A Pastor], Not the catholic kind of bishop.
READ THE 5 FOLD MINISTRY AGAIN.
Apostles, Prophets, Evengelists, Pastors and Teachers.
WHERE IS THE BISHOP??.
nowhere does presbuteros, Presbyter mean a priest, That is another one of the catholic lies.
If catholics were God's true Church, They would use the Biblical word, Which is,"Pastor".
PLEASE NOTE.
Is PASTOR in the Bible??, So whats wrong with a youth Pastor??
Is Evengelist in the Bible??. So wahts wrong with tele-Evangelists??.
You are just being silly.
I don't know what Bible you use, But every Bible I have seen, Doesn't have, pope, priest or the rcc bishop in it.
YOUR TELLING LIES..AGAIN...AREN'T YOU.
Ok so now your admitting that James was a bishop. That was a good first step. But your still trying to pretend that he wasn't a real bishop like the catholic church has. I mean what else is there?
The five fold minstry is not a biblical term g4. So I have no intention of letting you use it.. If you choose to then I see no reason why you won't also accept terms like pope.. Don't be a hypocrite dude.
Presbyter does mean priest. Proven and spanked you ones too many times already. Really bro are you that stoooopid?
And of course I'm being silly about youth pastors and televangelists. After all I'm not a legalist like you. I can see ministry develop into a head pastor or pope just like I can see a youth pastor develope and be legitimate.. You on the other hand are a pick and chooser. No consistency and no rhyme or reason to your madness. That's where ignorance gets you g4. Your blind because you follow the blind.
[1]If you read my post proper, You would see that I said,
"James was a [BIBLICAL BISHOP], A Pastor".
Not a catholic kind of bishop, Which doesn't exist in the new testament Church.
Stop twisting what I said, YOU NAUGHTY MAN.
[2]LET ME SEE IF YOU CAN COUNT,
Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor, Teacher, How many is that??.
So what was you saying about no such thing as the five fold Ministry??.
[3]Where is the pope?? where is the priest??. where is the bishop??.
Nowhere in the Bible, Only in the false catholic religion.
[4]Nowhere in the Greek, Does presbyter mean a priest, STOP TELLING LIES, YOU EVIL MAN.
[5]As for you Pastor, Is the Pastor, or is it not in the Bible???. So what wrong with a youth Pastor??.
The same with the televangelist, Is the Evangelist, Or is it not in the Bible??.
So what wrong with Evangelising on the TV??. GET REAL MAN.
But you will never find a pope, a priest or a bishop [The catholic type] in the Bible.
GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT, You know I spank you every time with the Bible.
Nope. I would get a better response from a bag of leaves. I suggest you read your first post again cause you reject the position of bishop. Not my fault your changing your story and not my fault you cannot count.. You forgot bishops and deacons and elders in your scripture hack. I know that is what your leaders tell you to think, and that without them you really couldn't think at all. If you did you would know that the only bishops are Catholics. All the others are just thieves like you.
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Nope your the one that twists them g4. And you don't know Greek or Hebrew. Anyone can use a concordance bro. Now please deal with that truth instead of accusing others wrongfully.
STOP TELLING LIES, YOU NAUGHTY EVIL WICKED MAN.
I show you what the Bible, Hebrew and Greek says, But I can't make you believe it.
If you believed the Bible, You would never have become a catholic.
If you believed the Bible, You would never have lost your salvation.
And that is the truth..FACT.
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Originally posted by mikejuli
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Originally posted by God4me
James was a Biblical Bishop,[A Pastor], Not the catholic kind of bishop.
READ THE 5 FOLD MINISTRY AGAIN.
Apostles, Prophets, Evengelists, Pastors and Teachers.
WHERE IS THE BISHOP??.
nowhere does presbuteros, Presbyter mean a priest, That is another one of the catholic lies.
If catholics were God's true Church, They would use the Biblical word, Which is,"Pastor".
PLEASE NOTE.
Is PASTOR in the Bible??, So whats wrong with a youth Pastor??
Is Evengelist in the Bible??. So wahts wrong with tele-Evangelists??.
You are just being silly.
I don't know what Bible you use, But every Bible I have seen, Doesn't have, pope, priest or the rcc bishop in it.
YOUR TELLING LIES..AGAIN...AREN'T YOU.
Ok so now your admitting that James was a bishop. That was a good first step. But your still trying to pretend that he wasn't a real bishop like the catholic church has. I mean what else is there?
The five fold minstry is not a biblical term g4. So I have no intention of letting you use it.. If you choose to then I see no reason why you won't also accept terms like pope.. Don't be a hypocrite dude.
Presbyter does mean priest. Proven and spanked you ones too many times already. Really bro are you that stoooopid?
And of course I'm being silly about youth pastors and televangelists. After all I'm not a legalist like you. I can see ministry develop into a head pastor or pope just like I can see a youth pastor develope and be legitimate.. You on the other hand are a pick and chooser. No consistency and no rhyme or reason to your madness. That's where ignorance gets you g4. Your blind because you follow the blind.
[1]If you read my post proper, You would see that I said,
"James was a [BIBLICAL BISHOP], A Pastor".
Not a catholic kind of bishop, Which doesn't exist in the new testament Church.
Stop twisting what I said, YOU NAUGHTY MAN.
[2]LET ME SEE IF YOU CAN COUNT,
Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor, Teacher, How many is that??.
So what was you saying about no such thing as the five fold Ministry??.
[3]Where is the pope?? where is the priest??. where is the bishop??.
Nowhere in the Bible, Only in the false catholic religion.
[4]Nowhere in the Greek, Does presbyter mean a priest, STOP TELLING LIES, YOU EVIL MAN.
[5]As for you Pastor, Is the Pastor, or is it not in the Bible???. So what wrong with a youth Pastor??.
The same with the televangelist, Is the Evangelist, Or is it not in the Bible??.
So what wrong with Evangelising on the TV??. GET REAL MAN.
But you will never find a pope, a priest or a bishop [The catholic type] in the Bible.
GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT, You know I spank you every time with the Bible.
Nope. I would get a better response from a bag of leaves. I suggest you read your first post again cause you reject the position of bishop. Not my fault your changing your story and not my fault you cannot count.. You forgot bishops and deacons and elders in your scripture hack. I know that is what your leaders tell you to think, and that without them you really couldn't think at all. If you did you would know that the only bishops are Catholics. All the others are just thieves like you.
[1]I don't reject the position of a Bishop, It's the catholics who twist the meaning of a Bishop, GET IT RIGH AND STOP TELLING LIES.
There is no, Bishops Elders and Deacon in the TRUE Church.
Some pentecostel have them, But it isn't Biblical.
God's Ministers in the local Church are,
A Pastor and a Deacon.
No priest Elder or Bishop.
The Elder and Bishop are the Pastor.
Edited by God4me on 05/09/2012 00:10:38
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Then why does the New Testament describe Bishops, Elders and Deacons?
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And why were they performing sacred duties and making offerings? Those are priestly duties.
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In order to secure stability and sucession across the generations, an organization needs to have a general manager, a branch manager and several full and part time assistant managers.
It works the same in the military as it does in civilian life.
Only Bishops have the authority to ordain priests and other Bishops.
The Apostles were Bishops, they had Christ's authority to lay hands on other men who became priests of a Church.
Deacons are either permanent or temporary.
G4Me, you have a knack for taking a simple working practice and turning it into a disfunctional and illogical concept.
Think.
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Wow! What a maroon this is becoming:( OK I will tell you all something, I was made Chaplain by a Bishop that is very well known and I dare not mention his name.I was made this because I go to the sick and pray for them I am with them most of the time.I have gone into prisons and did visit them in lockup units and it was not nice where i had to go,and how i had to get into the place i needed to be.I also did baptise children and this is because they do believe you can do this.I have also anointed many sick people and animals to I have seen people get healed through the anointing with oil and prayers.I am in between both beliefs now and it is very hard for me to make a choice and i know how Alen feels right now to:( We have been brought up different and went to different churches but Alen is a pastor and he is doing this out of love but love for Christ not anyone else he is hard and very thick but his reason is to help and save others from eternal damnation and I do see what he is doing but Alen, you will never bring anyone to the Lord by force and hateful comments.I just wanted others here to get the picture of what is really happening with me and him.I do know that Mike is not an evil man there are no evil people on this forum, and they to defend their beliefs even better because they do care about our souls and do love and that's where I want to be in love with Gods people and in love with all people.When you take others by force you will go down that way to.Some people are very prejudice here and only see what they want and this is what I call evil.B3 P.S. You will never find Love in hell,it don't exsist there!
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Well after I looked up all i could I find that you need a bishop in the churches as they did have them back then and you need order in the house of God Bishops make decisions an d can give rights to the priests called Holy Orders and that is biblical even the Jews have this:)All churches but the very one man ones that are in it for themselves Like Olstein or G4 You can't and should not run Gods house without others to help make decisions it is not right nor fair to the assembly.o man is an Island unto himself!!! B 4
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Amen. God knew what He was doing. We humans have egos and all sorts of other fallible traits - But the Church works in spite of all these unfavourable traits, because Jesus knew us well enough to set up a system that works for us.
That is why Judaism is stil fairly stable after several thousand years and the Catholic Church has continued to be stable for nearly two thousand years. But after the Reformation, the "Reformers" could not even keep their own groups stable for more than a single generation.
God knew us better than we know ourselves.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Ah, yes... Mary, the perpetual Virgin... Why on earth did the Catholics bother to dream this one up? A girl gets pregnant by the Holy Spirit - gets married - has a child (Jesus) - and NEVER HAS SEX with her husband afterword... And why not??? WHO KNOWS??? I mean, what on earth is wrong with a married woman having sex with her husband? That's GODS WILL. In fact, to do other wise is totally CONTRARY to his will. Scripture says "a man shall leave his father and his mother, and cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh"... That "one flesh" happens via SEX. Yep, there it is. So, what the Catholic Church teaches is that Mary REFUSED to become "one flesh" with her husband Joseph... In other words, she refused to do what God wanted... In other words, Mary was a SINNER by remaining the "perpetual virgin", and not becoming "one flesh" with her husband... So - go figure... Catholics are basically whacked out...
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Actually, it would have been preferable for us Catholics if Mary had given us the example of a fertile mother with lots of biological children.
It isn't easy preaching against birth control when the primary example for us is the Holy Family with only one child.
But the fact is that Mary did not have any other children and the OT prophecies predicted not only a virginal young woman, but one through whom only the Lord would pass and no other.
Mary ever virgin was solid Biblical Christian teaching right up to and even through the beginnings of the Reformation. Many of the Reformers would have though you a fool for even doubting such a basic and enduring Biblical doctrine.
I know why a first century Jew would not have entered into the Mother of our Lord. No first century Jew would have dared enter the vessel that conceived and bore the Son of God.
A first century Jew did not even have sex with his lawful wife when studying the Torah, and that was only the Written Word of God.
But I see that modern Protestants would dare anything.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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