Inquistion and Jihads are perfect examples
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Inquistion and Jihads are perfect examples of "cultivating truth". The Vatican thus called young Muslims and Christians to "cultivate truth and freedom, in order to be genuine heralds of justice and peace and builders of a culture which respects the dignity and the rights more... Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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The Vatican calls on Muslims to cultivate peace.
Do you think that unregenerate Muslims are able to do this,
keeping in mind their long standing reputation for jihad and violence?
If the Vatican knew what they were talking about,
then they wouldn't make these ridiculous suggestions.
And instead of peace what do you suggest?
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I'm going to guess...war with Islam through the destruction of Israel.
Man forcing Christ into His Second Coming.
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How can an unregenerate Muslim cultivate peace?
There has never been a peaceful Muslim. You and your pope haven't got a clue!
Infallible Conqueror is the one who determines who has got a clue and has not got a clue. He can not be wrong, can he?
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It is rather naive to compare God with Allah. This is further evidence that you don't have a clue.
God = Allah. Try to find some Christians who speak Arabic and find out before you make yourself a laughing stock.
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You make these inane comments about knowing the truth,
Your agenda is to promote the papacy and your Mary.
Any one here can tell that, behind such comments, is a mentality under siege and a sense of self-righteousness. He "knows" the agenda of others, but he has no agenda. He wants a free hand to promote whatever he believes as being true, but others should not have the same right, nostly if they promote the hated papacy and the hated Mary. Whatever happened to all generations calling mary blessed!
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According to your papacy
you worship the same monster as the Muslims.
Muslims must be saved as
jihad is their expression of love and peace.
Like the Catholic inquisition and pedophiles
they love others so much.
Jumping around from one topic to another is many Protestants' area of specialization. In just one post we have Catholics and Muslims worshipping the same God; the salvation of Muslims; jihad, the inquisition, and the pedophiles. How one is expected to address all those without derailing the discussion is beyond me.
But you have to believe that Muslims and Christians worship the same God or risk being a laughing stock, like i said earlier. Just because the Jehovah's Witnesses' understanding of Christ differs from the Baptists' understanding does not mean they believe in two different Christs. What differs is their understand of the same Christ. I hope that will help.
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Your agenda is to promote...your Mary.
Christ's Mother; - chosen by the Trinity - spoken to by an angel - overshadowed by the Holy Spirit - held Christ in her womb - raised Him - watched Him die upon His cross - present when He established His Church and when He and His Father sent the Holy Spirit.
My advice, Conq...dig deep...foster in yourself respect for this woman - whom Christ loves.
Edited by bwellmysoul on 08/09/2012 13:29:19
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Your agenda is to promote...your Mary.
Christ's Mother; - chosen by the Trinity - spoken to by an angel - overshadowed by the Holy Spirit - held Christ in her womb - raised Him - watched Him die upon His cross - present when He established His Church and when He and His Father sent the Holy Spirit.
My advice, Conq...dig deep...foster in yourself respect for this woman - whom Christ loves.
When he says "your Mary" he is actually revealing on whose side he is in the spiritual war speken of in Revelation 12:13-17, "the dragon ... pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child ... The serpent ... spewed a torrent of water out of his mouth after the woman to sweep her away with the current ... Then the dragon became angry with the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring, those who keep God’s commandments and bear witness to Jesus."
If Mary is our Mary, then her Son is our Jesus and those not on the side of the woman may as well be on the side of the dragon.
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Your idea of Mary is not what the scriptures tell us who she is.
According to you,
she was immaculately conceived,
ever virgin and was assumed into heaven.
You are obviously talking about an imaginary person,
who has no semblance to the Mary, who is blessed.
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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Your idea of Mary is not what the scriptures tell us who she is.
What does scripture tell us?
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According to you, she was immaculately conceived,
ever virgin and was assumed into heaven.
And according to you?
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You are obviously talking about an imaginary person,
who has no semblance to the Mary, who is blessed.
Okay, for Mary to be blessed she must not be immanulate, must not be ever virgin and must not be assumed into heaven, in other words, she must be like any other woman because that is the highest blessing God can come up with!
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My wife would not think to be blessed,
if she was a virgin forever.
You do have strange standards!
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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My wife would not think to be blessed,
if she was a virgin forever.
You do have strange standards!
Your fiancee conceives of and tabernacles the Saviour of the World, God incarnated. She literally becomes the living Arc of the New Covenant.
Just to get this correct....
If you were Joseph, you would consent to marry her under the agreement that your marital rights supercede whatever God has planned for Salvation History?
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My wife would not think to be blessed,
if she was a virgin forever.
That might be why God has never chosen her to be the mother of His Son. If she was ever chosen, Luke 1:26-34 would have been something like this:
"In the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a certain town to a virgin betrothed to a man named Conqueror, of an unknown family, and the virgin’s name was unknown. And coming to her, the angel said, “Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.” And she was greatly overjoyed at what was said because she already knew what sort of greeting this was ... she said to the angel, “Wonderful, I saw that coming, because that is exactly for that reason that I am betrothed to Conqueror".
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If I were to be the mother of God, I would consider that a lifetime mission that superseded everything else.
If my husband knew that I conceived a child by God through the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit, there is no power on earth that could pursuade him to enter in where God was made Flesh and came to dwell amoung us.
But, then we are kind of old fashioned, like the first century Jews.
The Catholic Church has been around for a very long time. And she has dealt with Muslims from their very beginning. The Pope understands better than most what we are dealing with, when dealing with Islam. And, he puts his trust in God more than in politics. With God, all is possible.
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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