EVANGELIST VS RELIGION
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Hi Evangelist and others,I can see you are against religion, but can you people please show where the Bible rejects religion.
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Originally posted by michael
Protestants are always trying to force their interpretation of the bible on others
And then they claim that we do not need anyone to interpret the Bible for us. Here is what I do with them:
PROTESTANT: You do not need anyone to interpret the Bible for you; you do not need a priest, a bishop or even a pope to do that for you.
ME: Do you mean I do not need a man to interpret the Bible for me?
PROTESTANT: Yes, because the Bible says ...
ME: Wow, stop there ... are you interpreting the Bible for me?
PROTESTANT: The Catholic Church twists the Bible and have no correct understanding of God's Word ...
ME: So they need someone to interpret it for them?
PROTESTANT: (slowing moving the goal posts) You need to be saved to understand the Bible ...
ME: And before being saved I need to read the Bible
PROTESTANT: Halleluiah!
ME: And who determines who is saved?
PROTESTANT (moving the goal post even farther): Those who are born again do not worship Mary, where is the pope in the Bible? ... and holy water? ... the rosary? ... the Bible says call no man father ...
Eventually you find the whole exercise boring and you give up and the Protestant declares victory. The popish heretic was vanguished.
In other words, what Protestatnts try to do is to exhaust you with a lot of nonsense until you give up.
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I posted this post two days ago and Evangelist has posted seven responses since (there were two posts from God4me), but they all failed to address this post. Maybe they did not see it or maybe there is something in it they are trying to avoid.
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Originally posted by Kamati
I know by now that you are hard-hearted; otherwise I would have told you that Jesus himself was a very religious Jew who went to the Temple, participated in the feasts and holy days, followed the spirit of the law of Moses and who spoke out against the corruption and the hypocrisy of the Sadducees and Pharisees, who preached one thing and did another.
I know you will simply ignore all that. But what about this:
1 Timothy 5:4
But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God.
James 1:26-27
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, his religion is vain.27
Religion that is pure and undefiled before God and the Father is this:to care for orphans and widows* in their affliction and to keep oneself unstained by the world.
There we see vain religion as opposed to religion that is pure and pleasing to God.
However, in your posts you reject any kind of religion. You do not even accept religion that is pure and not vain. In other words you, in your malice, you reject even that what is said to be pleasing to God, in short: you reject God Himself.
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Religion is against Righteousness of God imputed unto Born again Christians!
http://mediasuite.multicastmedia.com/player.php?v=oqu0ai10
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by evangelist
Religion is against Righteousness of God imputed unto Born again Christians!
http://mediasuite.multicastmedia.com/player.php?v=oqu0ai10
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In other words, you would rather believe a website and not the Bible:
If religion is against the righteousness of God why did Paul encourage it:
1 Timothy 5:4
But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God and why is this pleasing to God .
How can God be pleased by something that is alleged to be against His righteousness?
And if religion is against the righteousness of God why does James 1:26-27 speak of pure and undefiled religion ?
Oh, you would rather believe a lying website than believe the Bible. And then you accuse catholics of not believing the Bible. How dare you?
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Originally posted by Kamati
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Originally posted by evangelist
Religion is against Righteousness of God imputed unto Born again Christians!
http://mediasuite.multicastmedia.com/player.php?v=oqu0ai10
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In other words, you would rather believe a website and not the Bible:
If religion is against the righteousness of God why did Paul encourage it:
1 Timothy 5:4
But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God and why is this pleasing to God .
How can God be pleased by something that is alleged to be against His righteousness?
And if religion is against the righteousness of God why does James 1:26-27 speak of pure and undefiled religion ?
Oh, you would rather believe a lying website than believe the Bible. And then you accuse catholics of not believing the Bible. How dare you?
Read the context of those scriptures !
You have not seen who is being spoken to and not using biblical principle in your study to see truth!
that is why your churchy condemnes sola scripture which is making light of the bible you claim the catholic church invented or created!
I have no problem showing what you misread or misinterpretate to think what is Paul is saying, because I can't train or teach a religious spirit demon behind your religious concepts!
I see you didn't even take to time to watch or listen to what the pastor has said which is ignorance from your part!
I have listen to many of EWTN teachings and debates and speakers from beginning to end even if I disagreed I listen and watch some just out of a better understanding and out of love and a spirit of meekness!
So again please
listen:http://mediasuite.multicastmedia.com/player.php?v=oqu0ai10
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by evangelist
Read the context of those scriptures!
You have not seen who is being spoken to and not using biblical principle in your study to see truth!
No matter who is being spoken to; Paul says clearly they should first of all learn their religion and practice it and then adds that it is pleasing to God.
Man, what more do you want to hear before you can believe the Bible instead of relying on a lying anti-Christian website?
Tell me: was Paul against religion? If so, why is he advising people to learn and practice it?
Those are the questions you can never answer as long as you place yourself in direct opposition to the Bible.
We can now all see you are wolf in sheep skin, pretending to believe the Bible while in fact rejecting what the Bible teaches.
I will repeat this text until you finally see the point or until every one here sees you are anti-Bible:
1 Timothy 5:4, But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God and why is this pleasing to God .
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Originally posted by evangelist
that is why your churchy condemnes sola scripture which is making light of the bible you claim the catholic church invented or created!
That was a failed attempt to divert the discussion into a side issue. This topic is not about Sola Scriptura, it is about religion and your anti-Bible beliefs.
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Originally posted by evangelist
I have no problem showing what you misread or misinterpretate to think what is Paul is saying, because I can't train or teach a religious spirit demon behind your religious concepts!
You made your claim, but have not yet told me why, if Paul was against religion like you, why he would advise people to learn and practice religion. Give me an answer please.
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Originally posted by evangelist
I see you didn't even take to time to watch or listen to what the pastor has said which is ignorance from your part!
I did not do that? How do you know that? Oh, okay ... maybe because you have not yet told me that you have abandoned Sola Scriptura and are increasingly reliant on websites instead of the Bible.
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Originally posted by evangelist
I have listen to many of EWTN teachings and debates and speakers from beginning to end even if I disagreed I listen and watch some just out of a better understanding and out of love and a spirit of meekness!
But how sure are you that I did not even watch or listen? Are you sure that website is new to me? If so, then you are mistaken AGAIN.
All you are doing now is trying to shift the burden away from yourself to a website, but I am not debating a website; I am debating you.
I ask you again: why did Paul encourage people to learn and practice their religion and why did he say it is pleasing to God?
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Originally posted by Kamati
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Originally posted by evangelist
I have no problem showing what you misread or misinterpretate to think what is Paul is saying, because I can't train or teach a religious spirit demon behind your religious concepts!
You made your claim, but have not yet told me why, if Paul was against religion like you, why he would advise people to learn and practice religion. Give me an answer please.
Are you saying religion and righteousness goes hand and hand?
http://mediasuite.multicastmedia.com/player.php?v=oqu0ai10
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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evangelist Kamati asked for an answer not a question. Answer question please.
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by Kamati
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Originally posted by evangelist
I have no problem showing what you misread or misinterpretate to think what is Paul is saying, because I can't train or teach a religious spirit demon behind your religious concepts!
You made your claim, but have not yet told me why, if Paul was against religion like you, why he would advise people to learn and practice religion. Give me an answer please.
Are you saying religion and righteousness goes hand and hand?
http://mediasuite.multicastmedia.com/player.php?v=oqu0ai10
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First, we are not discussing righteousness. We are discussing religion.
Second, I am not surprised to see you asking such lame questions because, being cornered, you are now trying to escape through the window.
Paul encourages people to learn to practice religion. That is the fact you have to admit.
I think if you must admit that you were wrong, you would earn more respect than trying to escape through dishonesty.
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Originally posted by michael
evangelist Kamati asked for an answer not a question. Answer question please.
Evangelist has allowed himself to be deceived by false teachers and lying websites and was shocked to discover that the Bible nowhere condemns religion. He was shocked to find that the Bible actually encourages the practice of religion. But he is not yet ready to distance himself from the false teachers and the lying websites; he will rather distance himself from the Bible.
That is how easy we are able to expose those who come here falsely claiming to be "Bible-believers". In actual fact such people do not believe the Bible.
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Hi Evangelist,
Do you have any valid reason why you are avoiding the BIBLE VERSIONS thread? Are you not interested in giving us proof that Pentecostals existed throughout the centuries and they were the first to translate the Bible in vernacular languages while the evil Catholics kept the Bible in a dead language? People who are quick to accuse the Catholic Church of failing to do this or that, immediately fall silent when challenged to show what their sects did throughout the centuries. This is revealing. This reveals that they actually know that their sects did not exist throughout the centuries, but they prefer untruths instead of the truth.
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Evan really isn't against religion in the catholic sense. He is against it in an evangelical sense. It means two different things depending on who is saying it. You see, evangelicals and other moderns have taken a word that used to mean something but was old fashioned and basically made it out to be a negative. In the catholic sense being religious simply means having a relationship with God, living a life of faith, hope and love. When Evan talks about religion he merely means things like rules, or legalism, or maybe a blind faith. It's really a sad thing, because what is really going on is that evan and others are really trying to make a new paradigm to get rid of the negativity surrounding the old word, but in the end will only have to deal with the same negativity and pessimism toward their new claims. The atheist rejects the claims whether the term religion or relationship is used. The skeptic, the freethinker, the anti religious the same. In the end it was only a gimmick, or sales technique that sold for a while but now everyone knows its just the same as the old word. And when the evangelical is encountered people reject them because they consider them religious.
It is one of the interesting things about many modern sects, that they have only taken old things and redefined them while ridiculing the old thing. It is merely pulling wool over eyes in the end as many find out. Myself, for example, began to see the truth and to this day I find it difficult to listen to anything people like Evan say without automatically going to investigate it.
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Originally posted by michael
evangelist Kamati asked for an answer not a question. Answer question please.
The answers is all on this link as well!
http://mediasuite.multicastmedia.com/player.php?v=oqu0ai10
http://mediasuite.multicastmedia.com/player.php?v=px53jf5c
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 08/19/2012 06:45:02
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