Parallel responsibility!
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AUTHORITY IN THE CHURCH II Responsibility for pastoral leadership was not restricted to Peter. ............... Although Paul was not among the Twelve, he too was conspicuous for the leadership which he exercised with an authority received from the Lord himself, more... Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
Edited by Conqueror on 08/03/2012 00:53:30
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A Vatican document tells you that there was no pope
in the first century,
but you are so desperate
that you depend on the onions and interpretations
of a successor to NOTHING
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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Silly man. You are so bound up with your stereotypes and propaganda. Anyway, I don't depend on the "onions" and interpretations of a successor to nothing, I'm a catholic. Protestants and the sects that split from them have broken succession. Again I ask you to do some study. I see the succession and the development of the papacy, just like I also see the development of the sacred scriptures which also were not compiled in the first century.. The bible developed over time, and was set even after the term pope was used. By your logic, if you remain consistent, would leave the bible as a successor to nothing, an invention of a church you ridicule and attack. Why on earth you would attack and condemn the ancient church on all points then turn around and accept their scriptures is beyond me, but it only demonstrates just how ignorant non Catholics are.
Sorry that this will offend you, but it's the truth.
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AUTHORITY IN THE CHURCH II
Responsibility for pastoral leadership was not restricted to Peter. ...............
Although Paul was not among the Twelve, he too was conspicuous for the leadership which he exercised with an authority received from the Lord himself, claiming to share with Peter and others parallel responsibility and apostolic authority (Gal. 2:7-8; 1 Cor. 9:1).
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/po...rch-ii_en.html
Parallel responsibility doesn't mean
that Peter had greater responsibility than the other apostles.
According to this document from the VATICAN there simply wasn't a pope in the early days!
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Silly man. You are so bound up with your stereotypes and propaganda. Anyway, I don't depend on the "onions" and interpretations of a successor to nothing, I'm a catholic. Protestants and the sects that split from them have broken succession. Again I ask you to do some study. I see the succession and the development of the papacy, just like I also see the development of the sacred scriptures which also were not compiled in the first century.. The bible developed over time, and was set even after the term pope was used. By your logic, if you remain consistent, would leave the bible as a successor to nothing, an invention of a church you ridicule and attack. Why on earth you would attack and condemn the ancient church on all points then turn around and accept their scriptures is beyond me, but it only demonstrates just how ignorant non Catholics are.
Sorry that this will offend you, but it's the truth.
I am silly
and you follow the opinions and interpretations
of successor to WHAT?
Your leadership is based on nothing
according to this document of the Vatican
It seems that you are the silliest!
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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We accept our leadership based on the word of God. We believe by faith and see by reason.
"Seek not to understand that you may believe, but believe that you may understand." - St. Augustine
Jesus didn't say, "You are pope, and on this pope I will build my church." But he did say something. We take that with faith, and Scripture and history confirm it. Step back and out from your box, be a little honest with yourself, and perhaps you can see it more clearly.
If you keep sitting in your box, reading into things what you want to see in them, then you will stay in there forever. It may be bright outside that box at first, but boy is it beautiful once your eyes adjust!
"Be good, keep your feet dry, your eyes open, your heart at peace and your soul in the joy of Christ." - Thomas Merton
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Edited by acumenCry on 08/06/2012 21:41:27
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What filthy lies!
You are required to accept dogmas about Mary,
without any scriptural support.
That little runt in Rome claims to be infallible
and you fell for that one, hook line and sinker!
You cannot explain how that little runt can be infallible.
You lack the understanding and now blame someone else.
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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I am silly
and you follow the opinions and interpretations
of successor to WHAT?
Your leadership is based on nothing
according to this document of the Vatican
It seems that you are the silliest!
Yes your silly, because you don't know what your talking about
You probably haven't even read that document and just blindly lifted the quote off of some anti catholic site.. Again your leadership is based on nothing
Mine is based on the apostolic succession which continues from Christ. The catholic position, as noted isn't that we had a term pope from the beginning, only that the office was filled from the beginning, just like was has the scriptures from the beginning, even though they were not defined until much later..
I understand that you would think this silly, especially when your only out to assert your own authority, and act like your own pope, but it is only an act after all.
Non catholics are more dependent on men than any catholic. Evan has a pope called Andrew Womack, g4 thinks he is infallible and everyone else a liar, even you come as more arrogant than any pope trying to assert your truth, which when it is challenged you pout and attack us..
It's just not convincing con. Not at all.
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I realise that what the Vatican produces is not convincing.
Well done, you are learning.
It is worse as what they produce is worse than unprocessed manure
and that includes the eucharist
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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"produce...the eucharist"
It's apparent that you won't allow yourself to read any ancient writings from the Early Church so that you can fully understand the Gospel.
Far better in your opinion, that the deformation gutted Christ's sanctifying grace from Baptism, Confirmation and Communion?
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"Unprocessed manure?" You mean like what, "grass?"
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Unprocessed manure. Good one, conquered.
And they say ignorance is bliss.
"Be good, keep your feet dry, your eyes open, your heart at peace and your soul in the joy of Christ." - Thomas Merton
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In Protestantism there is no authority.
So the Pope is a good thing.
In Protestantism since everybody is their own "pope" there is no doctrinal unity hence thousands of Protestants nominating themselves in other words denominating themselves.
I love having a line of Popes that goes back to Peter. The Pope is a good thing. Protestants are at a fatal disadvantage.
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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Originally posted by Conqueror
I realise that what the Vatican produces is not convincing.
Well done, you are learning.
It is worse as what they produce is worse than unprocessed manure
and that includes the eucharist
Bless you child
Again you offer up ridicule and attack even though you pout when your faulty claims get the slam dunk
The only one that is unconvincing here is you. Sorry but you really don't have a leg to stand on.. Oh I'm sure you will blame us Catholics for that too but what can we do?
Anyway enjoy your grape juice and crackers, even though it is a mere dead work of the flesh. One day you may eventually experience the blessed sacrament, the body and blood of Christ in the Eucharist, a belief which was established even before the gospels were written. But you will have to take your head out of your rectum first.
Let me know if you need a tug. 
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Originally posted by mikejuli
quote:
Originally posted by Conqueror
I realise that what the Vatican produces is not convincing.
Well done, you are learning.
It is worse as what they produce is worse than unprocessed manure
and that includes the eucharist
Bless you child
Again you offer up ridicule and attack even though you pout when your faulty claims get the slam dunk
The only one that is unconvincing here is you. Sorry but you really don't have a leg to stand on.. Oh I'm sure you will blame us Catholics for that too but what can we do?
Anyway enjoy your grape juice and crackers, even though it is a mere dead work of the flesh. One day you may eventually experience the blessed sacrament, the body and blood of Christ in the Eucharist, a belief which was established even before the gospels were written. But you will have to take your head out of your rectum first.
Let me know if you need a tug.
You too, enjoy real flesh,
but keep in mind that Jesus is bodily in heaven.
Did you know that people suffering from psychosis
saying they participate in an unbloody sacrifice,
which produces real blood, should be in a padded cell.
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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I do enjoy real flesh, Conk. Beats a tofu burger any day. But lets stick to the issue.
While we know Jesus bodily ascended into heaven, keep in mind that Christ has two natures, True God and True Man. This is how Christ, while in Heaven, can give of Himself through the Sacrament of Communion. He gives of Himself through the Holy Eucharist so He can be physically present in each who receives Him.
As for the second part of your question, people suffering true psychosis are too traumatized to speak at all, much less about participating in " unbloody sacrifices that produce real blood." And after Jesus spoke about Himself Being the Bread that came down from Heaven, a lot of people would have liked to have put Him in a padded cell. Don't feel alone.
Edited by heavenlysecrets on 08/09/2012 02:57:17
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Sorry but Jesus is bodily in heaven
as he has risen from the grave.
Many people eat pretend flesh,
which is blasphemy,
but don't let that worry you,
as you aren't born-again and destined for hell anyway
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you?
Because you are unable to hear what I say.
You belong to your father, the devil,
and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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