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I have asked God so many times why we have so many issues, and division in the body of Christ and with many churches and religion is the revelation, that they haven't heard and know the true Good news of Christ Gospel, wheich even Paul showed us and is trying to teach more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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No. But a sinner who does not repent will seek to twist the Word to make a meaning that works for himself.
Satan handles the Written Word like a pro.
But the Church is the FINAL judge of whether something has been correctly interpreted or not. If you and I cannot agree, we are instructed to take it to THE Church. Not just any church, but the one that Christ established for this purpose.
Is that why you are a pro with the word because you are still a sinner?
Did You ask a preist or nun if they are still a sinner??
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Is that why you are a pro with the word because you are still a sinner?
Did You ask a preist or nun if they are still a sinner??
ET,
Base desires overriding the Spirit?
Naughty naughty.
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Is that why you are a pro with the word because you are still a sinner?
Did You ask a preist or nun if they are still a sinner??
ET,
Base desires overriding the Spirit?
Naughty naughty.
Did You ask a preist or nun if they are still a sinner??
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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You think they would be embarassed to express their need for a Saviour, One who absolves them from their sins?
They deal with reality. They sin. They are Christian.
We operate with minds and hearts that either/both can't or won't fully comprehend our own failed actions and how those affect others.
It is pure fantasy to believe that there is only one sin which will strip a soul of its justification.
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You think they would be embarassed to express their need for a Saviour, One who absolves them from their sins?
They deal with reality. They sin. They are Christian.
We operate with minds and hearts that either/both can't or won't fully comprehend our own failed actions and how those affect others.
It is pure fantasy to believe that there is only one sin which will strip a soul of its justification.
That is not the question I ask you to do.
Did You ask a preist or nun if they are still a sinner??
Yes or no??
still waiting!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 07/23/2012 14:07:54
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It is not polite to go around asking anyone if they are a sinner.
We are encouraged to confess our faults to one another so that we can help each other and obtain forgiveness from those with the authority to give it. But that is not the same thing as going around asking other people to confess their sins.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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It is not polite to go around asking anyone if they are a sinner.
We are encouraged to confess our faults to one another so that we can help each other and obtain forgiveness from those with the authority to give it. But that is not the same thing as going around asking other people to confess their sins.
I didn't say to confess thier sins I ask if they are still sinners like you confess you are !
As leaders they should know better as you!
even ask when they sin or when a pope sins are they at that moment a catholic sinner, or a pope still or whoever they claim to be priest,nun, bishop, cardinal and etc??
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 07/24/2012 04:27:11
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No. But a sinner who does not repent will seek to twist the Word to make a meaning that works for himself.
Satan handles the Written Word like a pro.
But the Church is the FINAL judge of whether something has been correctly interpreted or not. If you and I cannot agree, we are instructed to take it to THE Church. Not just any church, but the one that Christ established for this purpose.
Is that why you are a pro with the word because you are still a sinner?
Did You ask a preist or nun if they are still a sinner??
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Don't be nasty. And stop calling me a sinner.
If you didn't see me commiting a sin, then you do not have the right to call me that. My confession is mine to make, not yours to play with.
I handle the Word well because I know it well. I have studied it for decades. And I have always trusted the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
My prayer of confession to Jesus is public for your benefit, but if you lack the maturity as a Christian to understand it then I will remove it for your sake and replace it with some spiritual pablum.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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No. But a sinner who does not repent will seek to twist the Word to make a meaning that works for himself.
Satan handles the Written Word like a pro.
But the Church is the FINAL judge of whether something has been correctly interpreted or not. If you and I cannot agree, we are instructed to take it to THE Church. Not just any church, but the one that Christ established for this purpose.
Is that why you are a pro with the word because you are still a sinner?
Did You ask a preist or nun if they are still a sinner??
one love
Don't be nasty. And stop calling me a sinner.
If you didn't see me commiting a sin, then you do not have the right to call me that. My confession is mine to make, not yours to play with.
I handle the Word well because I know it well. I have studied it for decades. And I have always trusted the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
My prayer of confession to Jesus is public for your benefit, but if you lack the maturity as a Christian to understand it then I will remove it for your sake and replace it with some spiritual pablum.
If a person say they are a sinner themselves or admit they are a drug dealer or prostitute I would not give them a doubt of who they profess to be unless I see them lieing and not being who they claim from thier own mouth , unless they are planly crazy or out of thier mind!
have you heard of a thing called positive confession?
If you say yes , why don't you start doing it?
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 07/24/2012 11:22:26
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Confession is not a negative thing.
For example we are to confess Jesus is Lord. If we don't do that, we are not saved. Game over.
But confession of sin is also a good thing and we are instructed as born again Christians to do this in the Bible. You know the verse.
I confess to being a sinner. The Bible tells me to. But that does not give you the right to presume that Christ broke His promise to forgive me.
Jesus forgives me every time and if YOU say no, then you are making a liar out of Christ.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Confession is not a negative thing.
For example we are to confess Jesus is Lord. If we don't do that, we are not saved. Game over.
But confession of sin is also a good thing and we are instructed as born again Christians to do this in the Bible. You know the verse.
I confess to being a sinner. The Bible tells me to. But that does not give you the right to presume that Christ broke His promise to forgive me.
Jesus forgives me every time and if YOU say no, then you are making a liar out of Christ.
You are making void the cross when you say Jesus is dong something new by forgiving your new sins everytime , that is a big enemy to the one time sacrafice of the cross!
No wonder you see yourself a sinner!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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No. How is trusting in Jesus to keep His promises making void the cross?
The Apostles showed in their epistles that sins were not automatically forgiven and that they could be forgiven every time if we seek it.
Why do you keep slamming the Bible? Is it not your final authority?
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
No. How is trusting in Jesus to keep His promises making void the cross?
The Apostles showed in their epistles that sins were not automatically forgiven and that they could be forgiven every time if we seek it.
Why do you keep slamming the Bible? Is it not your final authority?
Yes the bible is my final authority but did you say this FAITH??
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Jesus forgives me every time and if YOU say no, then you are making a liar out of Christ.
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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How can the Bible be your final authority when you keep saying that this or that passage does not belong in there, or that this or that passage does not apply and the only way to tell is if a spirit whispers in your ear.
How can you take the Bible as your final authority when your primary sources of information are websites and YouTube videos made by men?
And, yes, I did say that. Jesus always forgives those who ask Him. Where in the Bible does it say otherwise?
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
How can the Bible be your final authority when you keep saying that this or that passage does not belong in there, or that this or that passage does not apply and the only way to tell is if a spirit whispers in your ear.
How can you take the Bible as your final authority when your primary sources of information are websites and YouTube videos made by men?
And, yes, I did say that. Jesus always forgives those who ask Him. Where in the Bible does it say otherwise?
So your carnal mind can get understanding through carnal source!
Flesh goes with flesh and spiritual with spiritual!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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