What is meant by saying we are made righteous?
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I think this might opem many truth and solve alot of issues and misunderstanding about the good gospel and also who we are in Christ Jesus and about , the do's and don'Ts some say we have to do to get on God side , or get saved, redeemed, justified and holy!To start I more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 11/27/2011 16:05:31
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Evangelist, you are the one who reminded me that all fall short. Therefore all are sinners at least some of the time.
Unless you are saying that you have never committed a sin that you have not specifically repented of, then you have sin to confess, and are therefore a sinner.
Being a sinner is not the worst thing. Jesus came to save sinners. But refusing to repent of our sins, that is worse than committing the unrepented sin in the first place.
Now I am not accusing you of anything. I don't know the state of your soul. I don't know what you have been doing or not doing. I leave that between you and Jesus.
I am just doing my job as a Christian.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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I am a little concerned that you are a bit of a hypocrite. I don't consider that to be a mortal sin, but not a good habit to be in.
If you truly believe that future sins are forgiven when one is born again, and that anyone who believes in Jesus Christ and in His death and resurrection for our sins is born again. And you have said before that you thought I was a Christian which implies that even you thought I was born again, then why do you keep telling me I have to get born again, again?
If you are certain that future sins are forgiven, then I would expect you to reassure me that I am mistaken and that I am not a sinner. Instead you tell me that this means I can't have been born again and need to get saved all over again.
Where in the Bible does it say that confessing that one is a sinner is itself a sin that strips one of justification?
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Evangelist, you are the one who reminded me that all fall short. Therefore all are sinners at least some of the time.
Unless you are saying that you have never committed a sin that you have not specifically repented of, then you have sin to confess, and are therefore a sinner.
Being a sinner is not the worst thing. Jesus came to save sinners. But refusing to repent of our sins, that is worse than committing the unrepented sin in the first place.
Now I am not accusing you of anything. I don't know the state of your soul. I don't know what you have been doing or not doing. I leave that between you and Jesus.
I am just doing my job as a Christian.
At least you are starting to give a confession of righteousness of saying you are doing a christian job in stead of being and promoting you are a sinner!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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You really don't understand. How can you confuse confession (which the Bible instructs us to do) with boasting?
Never in my life have I ever been proud of my sins and never have I ever desired to remain in them. Never.
I follow the prescription given to me by Jesus Christ, and affirmed by His students, the Apostles. If you can't accept that, then what can I do?
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
You really don't understand. How can you confuse confession (which the Bible instructs us to do) with boasting?
Never in my life have I ever been proud of my sins and never have I ever desired to remain in them. Never.
I follow the prescription given to me by Jesus Christ, and affirmed by His students, the Apostles. If you can't accept that, then what can I do?
You can stop calling yourself a sinner and give a positive confession about who you are in Christ FAITH!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I stopped calling myself anything but a born again Christian on this forum a few posts ago. But, that will never stop me from continuing to abide in Christ on His Terms. I will always take His Word over yours.
Since you do not understand, there is little point in explaining it to you until you better understand the basics. I will refrain from meatier matters for now.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
I stopped calling myself anything but a born again Christian on this forum a few posts ago. But, that will never stop me from continuing to abide in Christ on His Terms. I will always take His Word over yours.
Since you do not understand, there is little point in explaining it to you until you better understand the basics. I will refrain from meatier matters for now.
So you are not a sinner?
Yes or no??
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Is Paul a sinner, yes or no?
My answer is the same as his.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Now go to Romans 6, I will be focussing on that and only that once I have complete this round.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Is Paul a sinner, yes or no?
My answer is the same as his.
Why can't you speak for yourself??
So you are not a sinner?
Yes or no??
speak for yourself!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Now go to Romans 6, I will be focussing on that and only that once I have complete this round.
then continue roman 6 on the right thread and so you can be seen doing something righteous! lol!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 08/04/2012 14:00:28
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Is it an act of humility when a creature of God determines the cleaniness and also the ultimate location of his/her soul?
St. Paul said, "work out your salvation with fear and trembling."
“God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”
“Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Whoever then humbles himself as this child, he is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven.”
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But the fruit of the Spirit is charity, joy, peace, patience, benignity, goodness, longanimity, mildness, faith, modesty, continency, chastity. Against such things there is no law.
Edited by bwellmysoul on 08/06/2012 09:13:17
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Is it an act of humility when a creature of God determines the cleaniness and also the ultimate location of his/her soul?
St. Paul said, "work out your salvation with fear and trembling."
“God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”
“Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Whoever then humbles himself as this child, he is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven.”
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But the fruit of the Spirit is charity, joy, peace, patience, benignity, goodness, longanimity, mildness, faith, modesty, continency, chastity. Against such things there is no law.
Are you trying to say from the scriptures we have to do self righteousness works to get into the Kingdom of God??
If you are adding works , then the bible teaches it is no more grace!
So can you get into the Kingdom of God without grace BS?
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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A Christian who loves Christ works for Him.
Plain and simple.
In the very same way that individual people represent the company they work for.
Christ commands us to work in the areas important to Him.
Talk is cheap and the people willing to work are few.
No different today than in Christ's day.
P.S. The "work" St. Paul refers to in his sermon concerns keeping one's soul away from the near temptation to sin. St. Paul specifically lists multiple mortal sins that remove justification from a soul - keeping it from entering the Kingdom of God.
As you know.
Edited by bwellmysoul on 08/07/2012 07:38:04
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A Christian who loves Christ works for Him.
Plain and simple.
In the very same way that individual people represent the company they work for.
Christ commands us to work in the areas important to Him.
Talk is cheap and the people willing to work are few.
No different today than in Christ's day.
P.S. The "work" St. Paul refers to in his sermon concerns keeping one's soul away from the near temptation to sin. St. Paul specifically lists multiple mortal sins that remove justification from a soul - keeping it from entering the Kingdom of God.
As you know.
Then how do you deal with this verse and make it harmonize with what you posted??
Ro:11:6: And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Also to remove justification by any sins would make the grace and the born again gospel of no effect!
Only a enemie of the cross can believe that!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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