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Hello Faith and whosoever!let continue the study and truth of Roman 6 on this thread!Now can we continue in Roman 6?Ro:6:5: For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:Notice how this is a done more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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No he isn't. If that were the case, the rest of this very letter would be a contradiction to this chapter.
Being dead to sin, means we are separated from it. This can only remain true if we continue to keep our selves separated from it. Paul points this out several times, so why make a pretense that this is not so.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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No he isn't. If that were the case, the rest of this very letter would be a contradiction to this chapter.
Being dead to sin, means we are separated from it. This can only remain true if we continue to keep our selves separated from it. Paul points this out several times, so why make a pretense that this is not so.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
What or who is he talking to and what part of our body directs our actions??
What part of our body serves or disobeys?
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 05/20/2013 16:04:41
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Don't go separating our body into peices.
Remember what Jesus said? IF you hand causes you to sin, cut it off.
It does not matter what part does the sinning.
God judges the Heart. NOTHING ELSE. Whatever is in our heart controls what we do. What flows out. If there is no sin in our heart, we won't sin. If there is sin in our heart, we will.
That is why Jesus rebuked those who fussed over His disciples not washing their hands before they ate. Sin does not come from outside the body, but from within. And we must purge if from ourselves just as we must purge it from our Faith Community, as Paul instructed the Corinthians.
If we are dead to sin, we must remove ourselves from sin.
You are making up rules for the Scriptures based on your own assumption about a few verses that do not say what you imagine they do. I already explained the "seal". There is no way to make it mean what you think it does. You are applying alternative definitions from the English language, but they do not apply.
The closest we get to your meaning, by imagination only, is in Matthew 27:66 where the stone was sealed and a watch set. But they sealed the stone as evidence that the tomb remained unopened - like police tape on a crime scene.
You also assume that because Jesus is with us in Spirit, that this somehow means that He replaced our own spirit with His. That is obsurd. That would mean that we were Jesus and not ourselves any more and that our unredeemed spirits were now burning in Hell waiting for our flesh and blood bodies to join them.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
Edited by Faith_at_Large on 05/20/2013 17:18:14
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