Heretic doctrine a christian is still a sinner
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Faith: claim that she is still a sinner saved by grace is the nost dogmatic satanic falsh claim ever believed!We were a sinner and we are the righteousness saved by grace and a son or daughter saved by grace with faith is the right biblical and christian ührace or more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 07/09/2012 11:32:12
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2 Corinthians 12:20-21 20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:
21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
These born again Christians that Paul is referring to were lost due to uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness that they committed and did not repent. I am certainly not that kind of sinner. But this passage shows the danger of sin to born again Christians.
The sin that cost them their souls was not explicitly renouncing Jesus, but in effect that is what they did when they chose sin over Christ. Sexual sin was their downfall. All they needed to do to avoid being lost was to repent of their sins - but it was just TOO much fun.
Because of that fun and temptations He gave us grace imputed to us unto righteousness so we don't desire it any longer and that non desire is enough for God and that is that grace and mercy from the heart which make us born again to not desire those things which a sinner desires with no fear of the Lord!
Actually that is not true. We still desire what is wrong, Paul affirmed that in one of his epistles (I expect we will get there at some point), but we have been given the grace to resist that temptatoin.
When we were born again, all of our sins were washed away and Righteousness was imputed to us, even though we had previously been sinners. BUT, that does not mean that we remain righteous if we return to sin and refused to repent of it.
That is why they are called sinners and not born again believers with another nature in thier spirits which came brand new born from Almighty all Holy God which gave us a all holy born again pure , justified , eternal redeemed spirit!
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Paul was speaking of born again Christians in that passage. Not unbelievers. But again you are raising a doctrine that you have not proven. Let's return to Romans 6 or a brand new thread to deal with those doctrines.
I cannot accept them unless you can prove them from the scriptures.
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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2 Corinthians 12:20-21 20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:
21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
These born again Christians that Paul is referring to were lost due to uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness that they committed and did not repent. I am certainly not that kind of sinner. But this passage shows the danger of sin to born again Christians.
The sin that cost them their souls was not explicitly renouncing Jesus, but in effect that is what they did when they chose sin over Christ. Sexual sin was their downfall. All they needed to do to avoid being lost was to repent of their sins - but it was just TOO much fun.
Because of that fun and temptations He gave us grace imputed to us unto righteousness so we don't desire it any longer and that non desire is enough for God and that is that grace and mercy from the heart which make us born again to not desire those things which a sinner desires with no fear of the Lord!
Actually that is not true. We still desire what is wrong, Paul affirmed that in one of his epistles (I expect we will get there at some point), but we have been given the grace to resist that temptatoin.
When we were born again, all of our sins were washed away and Righteousness was imputed to us, even though we had previously been sinners. BUT, that does not mean that we remain righteous if we return to sin and refused to repent of it.
That is why they are called sinners and not born again believers with another nature in thier spirits which came brand new born from Almighty all Holy God which gave us a all holy born again pure , justified , eternal redeemed spirit!
one love
Paul was speaking of born again Christians in that passage. Not unbelievers. But again you are raising a doctrine that you have not proven. Let's return to Romans 6 or a brand new thread to deal with those doctrines.
I cannot accept them unless you can prove them from the scriptures.
You do know scriptures are also spiritual?
1Co:2:13: Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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So praise God now we can close this thread because Faith and others are seeing themselves no more a sinner is that ok?
Also they call themselves no more a sinner and are getting saved one day???
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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2 Corinthians 12:20-21 20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:
21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
These born again Christians that Paul is referring to were lost due to uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness that they committed and did not repent. I am certainly not that kind of sinner. But this passage shows the danger of sin to born again Christians.
The sin that cost them their souls was not explicitly renouncing Jesus, but in effect that is what they did when they chose sin over Christ. Sexual sin was their downfall. All they needed to do to avoid being lost was to repent of their sins - but it was just TOO much fun.
Because of that fun and temptations He gave us grace imputed to us unto righteousness so we don't desire it any longer and that non desire is enough for God and that is that grace and mercy from the heart which make us born again to not desire those things which a sinner desires with no fear of the Lord!
Actually that is not true. We still desire what is wrong, Paul affirmed that in one of his epistles (I expect we will get there at some point), but we have been given the grace to resist that temptatoin.
When we were born again, all of our sins were washed away and Righteousness was imputed to us, even though we had previously been sinners. BUT, that does not mean that we remain righteous if we return to sin and refused to repent of it.
That is why they are called sinners and not born again believers with another nature in thier spirits which came brand new born from Almighty all Holy God which gave us a all holy born again pure , justified , eternal redeemed spirit!
one love
Paul was speaking of born again Christians in that passage. Not unbelievers. But again you are raising a doctrine that you have not proven. Let's return to Romans 6 or a brand new thread to deal with those doctrines.
I cannot accept them unless you can prove them from the scriptures.
You do know scriptures are also spiritual?
1Co:2:13: Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
one love
They most certainly are, but please do not go trying anything so foolish as to blame the Holy Spirit for either of us not understanding.
The natural man wants what he wants without any restrictions. That is the warning through out the Bible. This is the warning every time the Bible warns against deception.
So if your "spirit man" is telling you that you can do anything against God's Will - that ain't the spirit talking, He resides a little higher in your anatomy.
Do not be deceived, let the Spirit guide you and not your loins.
Now go back to those passages again and read them slowly. Let them sink in. And ask the Holy Spirit to open your heart to their meaning.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
Edited by Faith_at_Large on 07/29/2012 21:08:05
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So when you do sin and at that moment you sin are you back to a sinner until you repent and then God saves you again or get Jesus blood somewhere to get that new sin forgaven?
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Are you unaware of the sins that are deadly to your soul, Evangelist?
Do you need assistance in locating the verses which were taught by the Apostles and their disciples to Christians and preserved by the Bishops and deacons in the Early Church?
Remember as well, the Resurrected Christ appeared to His Apostles in the Upper Room, and said to them, "As the Father sent Me, so I send you."
"Whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven. Whose sins you retain, they are retained."
Edited by bwellmysoul on 08/02/2012 13:56:55
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Well, technically, a sinner is one who sins, so if we sin we are a sinner. Of course, it is our fallen nature (being a sinner) that also leads us to sin.
Luckily for us, Jesus came to save sinners.
If Jesus came to save a sinner and they accept His redemption, how can they call themselves a sinner?
Either you are saved or your are a sinner!
Which on is it FAITH?
Also saved is past tence and not a process .
by His grace (we are) saved a done deal by your faith and His grace, not a sinner by faith!
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Evan, He that believeth a lie becomes one.The Catholic church is the real one but the devil took what was good and turned it into a den of thieves and also the Protestants went the other way and decided to adapt to their own laws from man made lies.They left and took half the truth and just ;listening to this thread tells me this.You and I and G4 have been terribly lied to in our lives and it is hard to admit or except,but none the less it has to be true or there would never be questions and divisions of the faiths. All of Christ church should match notes they all match that you do have communion,.prayers,fasts,Easter,XMAS and other Pentecostal Holiday's and the risen Savior,Mary and Joseph,almost everything matches up but a few lies that were handed down through the history of Reformation. I feel Luther was a nut and people always follow nuts it is so easy but hard to admit the wrongs done by this crack pot!
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The only churches in the entire world treats the Lord with the deepest respect and his Mother this is love and they suffer for it to.My town where I live in Maine was founded back in the 1700's early 1700's and it was a priest named Sebastian,Sebasticook county and other places were named after this man who tried to defend the Indians until England came over and destroyed the village,but they rebuilt and then had to pay taxes I have some stained glass windows from the first church from the area that was Catholic they have bullet holes in them because of hatred after the priest left another one was asked to come from Canada to take his place and the church was named Saint Sebastian church in Madison.It was never used as a church but a school and even that didn't work out so now it is a thrift shop and everyone goes there from every denomination looking for deals.People change time changes it would do good for all of us to change and leave the past behind and look for the good in other denominations for the Lord is coming back sooner then you think he is even at the door:)
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Edited by baby3 on 08/02/2012 18:16:11
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Are you unaware of the sins that are deadly to your soul, Evangelist?
Do you need assistance in locating the verses which were taught by the Apostles and their disciples to Christians and preserved by the Bishops and deacons in the Early Church?
Remember as well, the Resurrected Christ appeared to His Apostles in the Upper Room, and said to them, "As the Father sent Me, so I send you."
"Whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven. Whose sins you retain, they are retained."
NO1 I know only one singular sin which I really don't want anyone to recieve or do is to renounce Jesus, and the second to reject Him as a unbeliever in not believing in Him!
That would make that person a sinner, zhose who don't believe!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Well, technically, a sinner is one who sins, so if we sin we are a sinner. Of course, it is our fallen nature (being a sinner) that also leads us to sin.
Luckily for us, Jesus came to save sinners.
If Jesus came to save a sinner and they accept His redemption, how can they call themselves a sinner?
Either you are saved or your are a sinner!
Which on is it FAITH?
Also saved is past tence and not a process .
by His grace (we are) saved a done deal by your faith and His grace, not a sinner by faith!
one love
Evan, He that believeth a lie becomes one.The Catholic church is the real one but the devil took what was good and turned it into a den of thieves and also the Protestants went the other way and decided to adapt to their own laws from man made lies.They left and took half the truth and just ;listening to this thread tells me this.You and I and G4 have been terribly lied to in our lives and it is hard to admit or except,but none the less it has to be true or there would never be questions and divisions of the faiths. All of Christ church should match notes they all match that you do have communion,.prayers,fasts,Easter,XMAS and other Pentecostal Holiday's and the risen Savior,Mary and Joseph,almost everything matches up but a few lies that were handed down through the history of Reformation. I feel Luther was a nut and people always follow nuts it is so easy but hard to admit the wrongs done by this crack pot!
If you feel that way I guess you must know the same how we feel about some cardinal or a pope!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Are you unaware of the sins that are deadly to your soul, Evangelist?
Do you need assistance in locating the verses which were taught by the Apostles and their disciples to Christians and preserved by the Bishops and deacons in the Early Church?
Remember as well, the Resurrected Christ appeared to His Apostles in the Upper Room, and said to them, "As the Father sent Me, so I send you."
"Whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven. Whose sins you retain, they are retained."
NO1 I know only one singular sin which I really don't want anyone to recieve or do is to renounce Jesus, and the second to reject Him as a unbeliever in not believing in Him!
That would make that person a sinner, zhose who don't believe!
one love
Still sticking to your "one singular sin"? Even though in multiple places in Scripture lists are available of sins that are also mortal to the soul.
Why did the Resurrected Christ say, "whose sin(s) you forgive"?
If you are correct, then He should have said "whose sin you forgive".
As there (according to you) would only be one deadly sin.
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Are you unaware of the sins that are deadly to your soul, Evangelist?
Do you need assistance in locating the verses which were taught by the Apostles and their disciples to Christians and preserved by the Bishops and deacons in the Early Church?
Remember as well, the Resurrected Christ appeared to His Apostles in the Upper Room, and said to them, "As the Father sent Me, so I send you."
"Whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven. Whose sins you retain, they are retained."
NO1 I know only one singular sin which I really don't want anyone to recieve or do is to renounce Jesus, and the second to reject Him as a unbeliever in not believing in Him!
That would make that person a sinner, zhose who don't believe!
one love
Still sticking to your "one singular sin"? Even though in multiple places in Scripture lists are available of sins that are also mortal to the soul.
Why did the Resurrected Christ say, "whose sin(s) you forgive"?
If you are correct, then He should have said "whose sin you forgive".
As there (according to you) would only be one deadly sin.
Are you saying we are the ones who will do the judging and not the Holy Spirit according to John 14 in which Jesus said this in verse 8 and 9? 
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Also again BS when you have done any sin and have not repent of that sin yet, are you at that moment a sinner again until you have repented of that new sin?
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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The Resurrected Christ gave His Apostolic Church His authority (given to Him by His Father) to forgive sin.
Again, perhaps you should open your Bible and read the account of the Resurrected Christ in the Upper Room.
And then, take your question to Christ and ask Him and the Holy Spirit if you should be repenting of mortal sins when you commit them.
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The Resurrected Christ gave His Apostolic Church His authority (given to Him by His Father) to forgive sin.
Again, perhaps you should open your Bible and read the account of the Resurrected Christ in the Upper Room.
And then, take your question to Christ and ask Him and the Holy Spirit if you should be repenting of mortal sins when you commit them.
BS when you have done any sin and have not repent of that sin yet, are you at that moment a sinner again until you have repented of that new sin?
YES or NO??
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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