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I have a book of Lives of the Saints,Illustrated Dedicated to ST Joseph.I really like this book and have read a few good stories in it. I want to learn all about the church fathers and what they did and how they died I have read one that really had me in tears,as she more...
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I have no doubt that Mother Teresa will be our next saint.
The process begins grass roots. People of the local parish will begin a petition to recognize a person's life.
http://www.fatherflanagan.org/canonization_process.php
quote: Canonization Process: Key Terms and Definitions
There are essentially three phases associated with the canonization process according to the canon of the Roman Catholic Church.
A candidate for canonization must be deceased for at least five years before a formal cause for canonization can be opened by the Church, unless the Pope grants an exemption to this waiting period as Pope Benedict the XVI recently did for Pope John Paul II.
The phases associated with the canonization process are:
1.Pre-Diocesan 2.Diocesan 3.Roman
Each phase has distinctive characteristics and activity associated with it.
Each phase builds upon another.
Terminology and characterizations matter in regard to the canonization process.
Misrepresentations can lead to significant setbacks for an otherwise legitimate devotional effort that is motivated by the Holy Spirit.
Pre-Diocesan Phase:
This phase marks the period of time in which a spontaneous or groundswell of devotion emerges among the laity toward someone whom they consider holy and whom they hold up for inspiration and enjoin with intercessory prayers.
The laity are known as actors in this process.
While the clergy may guide and participate in this devotion, it cannot in anyway be directed by the Church.
The Father Flanagan League Society of Devotion is a formal and organized embodiment of actors who facilitate the flow of information and communication among actors throughout the world.
The League also helps to document potential evidence of a groundswell of devotion that will eventually be used for consideration of opening a formal cause for canonization by the Church.
Neither the actors, nor a groundswell of devotion can be called a cause or movement.
Only at the next phase can the devotional effort be officially characterized as such.
See the Prayer and Devotion page to learn more about devotion and examine the evidence of the groundswell of devotion for Father Flanagan.
Diocesan Phase: This phase begins when the actors retain a Postulator who on behalf of the actors will approach the bishop as a Petitioner to consider evidence in opening a cause.
If the bishop accepts the petition he will seek permission of the Holy See to form a tribunal to hear from witnesses and examine the concrete facts on the candidate's exercise of Christian virtues considered heroic.
This tribunal has two parts, a Episcopal Commission and Historical Commission.
The bishop will consult with bishops on a regional or national level to gain their opinions on the merit and timeliness of introducing a cause.
If the evidence demonstrates merit the candidate will be declared a Servant of God by the bishop and the cause is opened.
All materials reviewed by the tribunal are crated and affixed with the bishop's seal and sent to the Congregation for the Causes of Saints at the Vatican to begin the Roman Phase.
Roman Phase:
This phase is a trial of sorts where the Congregation for the Causes of Saints impanels clergy and other subject matter experts to review the files submitted by the bishop.
This review is exhaustive and will probe even deeper into the life and potential miracles that can be attributed to the Servant of God.
The postulator serves as the actors' prosecutor for the cause of beautification and eventual canonization, while the Congregation is represented by an Advocate, who may argue against the cause in defense of the virtue and holiness of the Church.
After initial examination of the Servant of God it can be recommended that the Servant of God is worthy of greater praise within the Roman Catholic Church the title of Venerable may be attributed to the Servant of God.
This honor is given to a Servant of God whose heroic virtue has been declared by the pope.
Beatification:
This stage of the of the process occurs at the conclusion of the rigorous investigation into the person’s life and writings to determine whether he or she demonstrates a heroic level of virtue or suffered martyrdom.
A miracle attributed to the person’s intercession must be proved.
Once the two decrees are promulgated (heroic virtue and the miracle), the pope decides on beatification, which is a concession of limited public veneration usually only in the diocese, region in which the Servant of God lived.
The candidate receives the titled of Blessed with beatification.
Canonization:
Another miracle that is attributed to the intercession of the Blessed is required and it must occur after beatification.
The methods of affirming the second miracle are the same as for the first.
Canonization is understood as the concession and requirement of public veneration in the Universal Church. Once canonized, the blessed acquires the title of Saint.
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You like novels about fictitious saints apparently. Enjoy them. As far as the ECFs are concerned you need to prove that the documents they are real documents and not forgeries. You cannot and therefore this whole thread is a waste of space.
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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Yup, might as well toss the Bible too. If we can't trust the Church that preserved the ECF documents, then you KNOW that we cannot trust the Bible.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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I do trust the Word of God as revealed in the scriptures and not the papal interpretation of them. I would be a Catholic if I did and venerate dead men's bones, worship apparitions posing as Mary and treat wafers as if it was a god. I cannot afford that sort of idolatry as my eternal life would be a stake.
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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On what basis do you accept the Bible? The same people who wrote the early Church documents are the ones who copied and preserved the scriptures.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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His sheep know His voice and I don't need papal interpretation. The ECFs are a secondary and unreliable source, which you use as the word of God as revealed in the scriptures is not enough for those with itchy ears
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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His sheep know His voice and I don't need papal interpretation.
There's truth in that. I heard his voice without papal interpretation when he called me to the Catholic Church.
The ECFs are a secondary and unreliable source, which you use as the word of God as revealed in the scriptures is not enough for those with itchy ears
It seems you think we are supposed to use them as a third source, after you.
I suppose itchy ears do allow people to heed the serpent's whisper when he says, "You can be like God" when interpreting Holy Scripture.
"Be good, keep your feet dry, your eyes open, your heart at peace and your soul in the joy of Christ." - Thomas Merton
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The Holy Spirit leads people to Jesus and NOT the RCC! Therefore you didn't hear Jesus.
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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I am closer to Jesus than ever before as a Catholic, and I have many non-Catholic witnesses who will testify to this.
But I understand your misunderstanding quite intimately. I was once a misinformed kid who thought he knew everything. I still tend to have a big head, but I am more humble, enough so as to admit that I am wrong when I am wrong. Sadly, you are just regurgitating the same uneducated and unfounded rumors shared by countless other paranoid anti-Catholics with God complexes.
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You still think you know everything. You know that the papacy is correct, without any guidance from the Holy Spirit. that is humility in your eyes!
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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With guidance of the Holy Spirit. How do you think we found the Catholic Church?
Without the Holy Spirit, I would be an Atheist or and Agnostic.
I checked out lots of other churches, and even attended a few non-Catholic Bible studies, but they didn't have it.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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quote: Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
With guidance of the Holy Spirit. How do you think we found the Catholic Church?
Without the Holy Spirit, I would be an Atheist or and Agnostic.
I checked out lots of other churches, and even attended a few non-Catholic Bible studies, but they didn't have it.
The Holy Spirit is an IT. You never listened to IT, as you did the research and made the decision. BTW God isn't an IT! This shows that you don't know HIM.
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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So what exactly is it that you profess, Conqueror?
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"The Holy Spirit is an IT."
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quote: Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
With guidance of the Holy Spirit. How do you think we found the Catholic Church?
Without the Holy Spirit, I would be an Atheist or and Agnostic.
I checked out lots of other churches, and even attended a few non-Catholic Bible studies, but they didn't have it.
quote: Originally posted by bwellmysoul
"The Holy Spirit is an IT."
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A Roman Catholic IT. They come here beating their chest and abusing anyone who dares to disagree and don't know that the Holy Spirit is a person
Jn 8:43-44 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires.
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