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I have taught on this truth and teaching so many times and I find this is not taught in many churches and would like to get others views on this important topic!I give a very good example and teaching example with curtains explaning about our born again spirits , and how more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I encountered a similar view point on a NARTH site. He also believed that the only sin that could cut us off from Christ was explicitly rejecting Jesus. This was his excuse for not encouraging active homosexuals to renounce their sin. We could not discuss it further on the site as it is a therapy discussion page and not a religious forum.
Really sad given that true Christianity has been helpful in curing some of their affliction, and therapy now exists that helps even those who are not sure of their faith.
There are laws being passed in many countries that are banning therapists from treating homosexuals other than to help them accept their homosexual nature and act on it.
Many successful therapists do have a belief in God behind them, but the therapy actually does work. But these therapists are now risking their licenses and livelihoods by helping those who want their help.
It is utterly horrific that there is a growing number of so-called Christians who are opposing these therapies and encouraging sinners in their sins, instead of trying to help them become all that God wants them to be.
The Bible warned that this would happen, but it is still shocking when the greatest threat to Christianity today is coming from within the larger body.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
Edited by Faith_at_Large on 06/26/2012 13:06:09
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Channel surfing landed me on the program titled, "Taboo" where a man was talking about his relationship with his daughter.
He commented that "now we're living together but in separate rooms."
He lamented (boo hooed) about his and his daughter's relationship.
He said that now that homosexual acts have been normalized it is only proper that the same attitude be upheld for the normalization of "forbidden love" relationships.
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I encountered a similar view point on a NARTH site. He also believed that the only sin that could cut us off from Christ was explicitly rejecting Jesus. This was his excuse for not encouraging active homosexuals to renounce their sin. We could not discuss it further on the site as it is a therapy discussion page and not a religious forum.
Really sad given that true Christianity has been helpful in curing some of their affliction, and therapy now exists that helps even those who are not sure of their faith.
There are laws being passed in many countries that are banning therapists from treating homosexuals other than to help them accept their homosexual nature and act on it.
Many successful therapists do have a belief in God behind them, but the therapy actually does work. But these therapists are now risking their licenses and livelihoods by helping those who want their help.
It is utterly horrific that there is a growing number of so-called Christians who are opposing these therapies and encouraging sinners in their sins, instead of trying to help them become all that God wants them to be.
The Bible warned that this would happen, but it is still shocking when the greatest threat to Christianity today is coming from within the larger body.
That's why I was telling Evangelist that his theology (and those who preach like him) are spreading realtivism toward the Commandments and an irrelativism toward Christ.
My neice holds much the same belief system. Jesus is love and she and He are in relationship (God is Universe) all the while she legislatively supports Planned Parenthood (because they give her cheap birth control and access to an abortion if necessary), homosexual acts, and homosexual marriage.
When she sent a pro-death "Support Planned Parenthood" email to me with comments from a supporter (Republican congresswoman) I told my neice that this woman - and all women with her mindset - need our prayers; because woman who don't convert of this pro-death attitude will never see the face of God.
I well imagine (from my own personal experience) that my neice's wayward path also began with her failure to understand and practice the virtue of chastity in her personal relationships.
Hindsight is 20/20.
I question whether or not she'll be able to convert her path when she believes (like Evangelist) that she need not repent because in her belief system there is nothing to repent of.
She is her own blind guide, leading herself into the proverbial ditch.
Edited by bwellmysoul on 06/26/2012 15:01:47
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I encountered a similar view point on a NARTH site. He also believed that the only sin that could cut us off from Christ was explicitly rejecting Jesus. This was his excuse for not encouraging active homosexuals to renounce their sin. We could not discuss it further on the site as it is a therapy discussion page and not a religious forum.
Really sad given that true Christianity has been helpful in curing some of their affliction, and therapy now exists that helps even those who are not sure of their faith.
There are laws being passed in many countries that are banning therapists from treating homosexuals other than to help them accept their homosexual nature and act on it.
Many successful therapists do have a belief in God behind them, but the therapy actually does work. But these therapists are now risking their licenses and livelihoods by helping those who want their help.
It is utterly horrific that there is a growing number of so-called Christians who are opposing these therapies and encouraging sinners in their sins, instead of trying to help them become all that God wants them to be.
The Bible warned that this would happen, but it is still shocking when the greatest threat to Christianity today is coming from within the larger body.
Most born again non sinners would believe that good gospel!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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If a person embraces sin and encourages others to do likewise, they are not "non-sinners". God does not give a hoot that some think their spirit is sinless, God looks at their heart.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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If a person embraces sin and encourages others to do likewise, they are not "non-sinners". God does not give a hoot that some think their spirit is sinless, God looks at their heart.
yes! because the heart is not your actions or performances good and bad , but alone you motive and will!
So do you still call yourself a sinner FAITH, instead of a righteous daughter?
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 06/30/2012 08:51:29
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That right. All sin flows from the heart. If there is no sin in the heart, then the body won't commit sin. It can't.
And I am only a sinner when I sin. And only before God.
Before you I am not a sinner because there is nothing that I do that would constitute a sin in your mind, other than admitting that I sin.
Saying I am a sinner only means that I stumble from time to time. This prayer that I say is built from the scriptures held up as examples for me by Christ Himself. He will not condemn me for not holding your dogmas.
Jesus died for my sins just as He died for yours and everyone else's.
Jesus died for every sin that ever was and ever will be committed. But we still need to repent of the sins we commit.
It does not matter when the sin was committed, so long as it is repented. One cannot repent of sins they have not yet committed. To attempt to do so and still commit the sin in the future is a damnable sin because it means that we never truly repented.
The fact that you don't think it is possible to not sin shows that you have not let sin go yet. You can't keep it.
Individual sins are repented, not sin in general. I have repented of sins that I have never repeated again because that is what repentance is. Now sometimes there is one particular sin that can be hard to let go - this may require repenting more than once to get rid of it, but that is why we have Christ.
The only righteous daughter or son is the one who is righteous by deed and word. But this is not something we can claim for ourselves - only God can declare it, and if we stumble in unrighteousness, then it is up to God to declare it again - or not. I leave that judgment in God's hands. But I walk in confidence, not presumption.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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That right. All sin flows from the heart. If there is no sin in the heart, then the body won't commit sin. It can't.
And I am only a sinner when I sin. And only before God.
Before you I am not a sinner because there is nothing that I do that would constitute a sin in your mind, other than admitting that I sin.
Saying I am a sinner only means that I stumble from time to time. This prayer that I say is built from the scriptures held up as examples for me by Christ Himself. He will not condemn me for not holding your dogmas.
Jesus died for my sins just as He died for yours and everyone else's.
Jesus died for every sin that ever was and ever will be committed. But we still need to repent of the sins we commit.
It does not matter when the sin was committed, so long as it is repented. One cannot repent of sins they have not yet committed. To attempt to do so and still commit the sin in the future is a damnable sin because it means that we never truly repented.
The fact that you don't think it is possible to not sin shows that you have not let sin go yet. You can't keep it.
Individual sins are repented, not sin in general. I have repented of sins that I have never repeated again because that is what repentance is. Now sometimes there is one particular sin that can be hard to let go - this may require repenting more than once to get rid of it, but that is why we have Christ.
The only righteous daughter or son is the one who is righteous by deed and word. But this is not something we can claim for ourselves - only God can declare it, and if we stumble in unrighteousness, then it is up to God to declare it again - or not. I leave that judgment in God's hands. But I walk in confidence, not presumption.
Do you also know ther is so much sins we do when we don't do the thing we should?
it is not only the sins we shouldn't do but the right things we should have done to please God and you enemies,friends, even churches in your giving from money and time, could be sins in you life which you rejected to do and never seen it as asking forgiveness of those sins of right doings!
That is why we need Jesus righteousness and His sinless redemption given to us through Him and alone by Him with His grace upon us!
That why Paul said a truth we all fall short of the glory and that also you need to understand what Paul meant by saying there is none righteous no , not one in Romans!
The reason why you keep seeing yourself as a sinner is because you are focus on the eternal and carnal part of yourself , and you are judging yourself by your bad sins you do and not ever looking at the sins you are doing by not dong the perfect will of God!
I remember myself when I sinned because God told me to lay hands on a sick person and they wouldbe healed , and witness to then and I put it off!
That person died two days latter and I knew afterwards I have sinned greatly before God, but if anyone ever knew what i have not done , or should have done they would say it was not a sin and don't worry or feel sorry, it was that person fault!
Do you see what I am saying about our self righteousness in trying to work out our own self justification and self righteousness or trying to walk the perfect straight brick road??
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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No I don't. I see a carnal-minded individual trying to make excuses for not letting go of his sins.
I explained this before from the scriptures. Minor sins are covered off by the Church that Christ established. Only major sins need to be repented of personally.
It is true that sins of ommission can be as serious as sins of commission, and a serious ommission must be repented of too.
We must repent, that is our doing, but to overcome sin, we need Christ. I know from experience that this works. If it isn't working for you, then you have not put your trust in Jesus.
But, I suspect that Jesus has been working in you. You don't have to answer on this thread, but do you still do all the sins you did at your worst? From what I know of you, you were able to turn your back on a number of very serious sins. If you can do that, then why do you deny this to others?
Why do you tell others that they don't have to stop sinning? You have to know that a weak, carnally minded Christians will not let go of their sin if they think that they don't have to.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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No I don't. I see a carnal-minded individual trying to make excuses for not letting go of his sins.
I explained this before from the scriptures. Minor sins are covered off by the Church that Christ established. Only major sins need to be repented of personally.
It is true that sins of ommission can be as serious as sins of commission, and a serious ommission must be repented of too.
We must repent, that is our doing, but to overcome sin, we need Christ. I know from experience that this works. If it isn't working for you, then you have not put your trust in Jesus.
But, I suspect that Jesus has been working in you. You don't have to answer on this thread, but do you still do all the sins you did at your worst? From what I know of you, you were able to turn your back on a number of very serious sins. If you can do that, then why do you deny this to others?
Why do you tell others that they don't have to stop sinning? You have to know that a weak, carnally minded Christians will not let go of their sin if they think that they don't have to.
We have a Holy God and no, NONE, unclean thing can come before God and even a little sin of not doing what you should like speeding and going one one mph over the speed limit is breaking the law and is a sin before God also as well as man, which is unclean!
The bible teachings all sins is sin before God and James even back this truth up which you reject James 2:10 which make this so clean.
So why don't you just cut that scripture out your bible, then you might have a leg to stand on?
So if you can't obey all the laws then try Jesus and trust Him for what He has imputted unto you!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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You keep ignoring what I said and the verses that I gave to show it.
You can't go trumping verses with other verses.
All sin is sin, and any sin can prevent one from being able to stand before God. But James did not say that John was wrong. James at no time said all sin was identical or that all sin killed.
Why do you put James in opposition to John? They do not disagree.
You keep mutilating the Bible. Stop it. All Scriptures count. You can't just go crossing out whatever you disagree with.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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You keep ignoring what I said and the verses that I gave to show it.
You can't go trumping verses with other verses.
All sin is sin, and any sin can prevent one from being able to stand before God. But James did not say that John was wrong. James at no time said all sin was identical or that all sin killed.
Why do you put James in opposition to John? They do not disagree.
You keep mutilating the Bible. Stop it. All Scriptures count. You can't just go crossing out whatever you disagree with.
According to James if you break any law or commandment , even driving 56mph in a 55 speed zone is before God the same sin as adultery or murder!
That is why you need the fear of God and know what that means!
If you break one single commandment you broke all the commandments ever known period!
Why you have a issue with James 2:10 on this?
is it because it is too clear and impossible for you to keep all the laws?
That is why we need a Saviour which you are trying to do things without Him and that is why you have a problem with that verse and many more,
The only way you can try to get by that verse is to twist the verse to say something different or come with your off the wall comment of truimping scriptures using some card game theology!
Thios is not a game FAITH it the truth, and the truth will one day set you free if you let the bible get in the way of your catholic philosophy.
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I don't have issue with what James said. Why do you have issue with what John said?
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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I don't have issue with what James said. Why do you have issue with what John said?
I don't have any issue with John niether just with your churchy and your religious philosphy, not knowing how to study and understand scripture in proper perpective!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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James said that all sin is sin. I agree.
No sin is good. I agree.
John says that while all sin is sin, not all sin kills. I agree but you disagree. Why?
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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