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This teaching covers everything you need to know about the gospel and why there is so many anti gospel churchs and anti gospel christians and religious people!http://www.awmi.net/extra/audio/righteousnessPlease listen to this and give your commits on this awesome teaching more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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And, Evangelist, to your comments to Michael, he was just using terms and concepts that you would recognize. It worked for Jesus, and for Paul. I see nothing wrong with Michael using the exact same approach.
If they bother you, then perhaps that is why you ignore so much of the Bible. It is written so that even the carnally minded can understand it, even if they don't like it.
Did you know the bible is there or the law is to strenthen sins and show you need a Saviour and you can't do anything perfectly?
Ro:3:19: Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Ro:3:20: Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Ro:3:23: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
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That is not the purpose of the Law. Though it is true that the more God's people misbehaved, the more laws God piled on them.
Righteous men do not need the Law because they do not do anything that requires a law to be made against it.
Galatians 5:22-24 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
So you see, according to Paul we are completely free to do all that is righteous and good. There are no laws against righteous acts.
And those that are Christ's do not engage in lustful or other unrighteous acts. At least not if they chose to remain In Christ.
Galations 5:13-21 13For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Note the warning that Paul is giving to born again Christians. They that do these sinful things shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God.
You can twist all you want, but if anyone does not inherit the kingdom of God, they are not getting into Heaven.
Paul has warned you about this repeatedly and yet you do not listen.
When we are born again, all the sins committed in our prior life are wiped away, completely, never to be remembered. Even if we reject God utterly, those sins do not come back. They are gone forever.
If we commit sins after we are born again, the Bible clearly states that if we confess our sins and repent, we will be forgiven and our unrighteousness washed away.
These are gifts that the unbeliever does not have. And they are free to us to avail ourselve of as often as we need to during our walk with Jesus.
Paul says that God is at work in us, causing us to feel fear and trembling as we become more aware of sin, not less aware. Not of past sins that are done, but current sins that are in need of repentance. Paul says that this is a very good thing.
Rejoice in what God has done and is doing for us.
He isn't just throughing a white blanket over a dung heap as some suppose but actually raising us up out of the dung and washing us clean and making us perfect. Really and truly.
As Christ is, so can we be. But we have to allow God to work in us and to let go of our old master. We no longer belong to sin. Jesus paid our debt and freed us from that old bondage. But if we continue to sin, we will become enslaved once more. Paul said that too.
We serve whom we obey. God or sin. We can't have both.
You need to understand Glatians more deeper Faith!
The kingdom of God is in us, not as such in heaven!
But there is a Kingdom which is God Kingdom or spiritual Kingdom in heaven where we as sons and daughter are going too, because of God promises to us as adopted sons and daughter of Christ unconditional!
The laws was also given so that it shows you need Jesus because God knew no one can keep all the laws , only Jesus did for us, so that is why we should not use the laws on born again christians and a matter of facts it is not for us:
Ga:5:4: Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Ga:5:5: For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Ga:5:6: For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Ga:5:7: Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
Ga:5:8: This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
Ga:5:9: A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
Ga:5:10: I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
Ga:5:11: And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
Today religion say: we preach water baptism or infant baptism and sacrafice and rituals done from the external flesh, which makes the cross of no effect and ceases!
Ga:5:12: I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
Ga:5:13: For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
Ga:5:14: For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.Ga:5:15: But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
Ga:5:16: This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Ga:5:17: For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Ga:5:18: But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
But you can use the laws and flesh things sinner do on a sinner who loves to do these things mention in Galation 5 which stop the blessings of the kingdom of God on those sinners who are practicing those sins of their flesh!
If you use those things again on a born again christian you will be helping satan and demons to condemned them and put fear and legalism on them instead of approach of goodness and love!
Using those titles will show your disobedience of not keeping the love commandment!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I am very familiar with Galations.
Know this. All those who were washed away in the flood during Noah's time were not under the law either. It hadn't been given yet.
Those that perished when Sodom and Gommorrah were destroyed were also not under the Law.
Yep, we are not under the Law. We are under Grace. And if we LOVE our neighbour as ourselves, we will not steal or murder or covet our neighbour's goods, or engage in adultery with our neighbour's spouse.
No need for any law. Simple. If we love God, we won't do anything that we know would offend Him. And if we love our neighbour, we won't do anything that would hurt our neighbour in any way.
No law against doing what is right. No law against charity, or looking after people when they are sick. No law against visiting the lonely or the imprisoned.
We don't need any laws if we are truly In Christ.
The works of the flesh and the works of the spirit were both laid out by Saint Paul. The former will send whosoever commits them to HELL, guaranteed. The latter will gain us Heaven.
Choose wisely. God is merciful and just.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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I am very familiar with Galations.
Know this. All those who were washed away in the flood during Noah's time were not under the law either. It hadn't been given yet.
Those that perished when Sodom and Gommorrah were destroyed were also not under the Law.
Yep, we are not under the Law. We are under Grace. And if we LOVE our neighbour as ourselves, we will not steal or murder or covet our neighbour's goods, or engage in adultery with our neighbour's spouse.
No need for any law. Simple. If we love God, we won't do anything that we know would offend Him. And if we love our neighbour, we won't do anything that would hurt our neighbour in any way.
No law against doing what is right. No law against charity, or looking after people when they are sick. No law against visiting the lonely or the imprisoned.
We don't need any laws if we are truly In Christ.
The works of the flesh and the works of the spirit were both laid out by Saint Paul. The former will send whosoever commits them to HELL, guaranteed. The latter will gain us Heaven.
Choose wisely. God is merciful and just.
Yes! and that is why we are just through Jesus perfection not ours!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Amen. And so long as we abide in Christ, this remains true. But if we chose to walk after the flesh, we have made a choice.
We serve whom we obey.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Amen. And so long as we abide in Christ, this remains true. But if we chose to walk after the flesh, we have made a choice.
We serve whom we obey.
Yes, and that why you still reap what you so in this world!
I must ask you a big question , and the question is how do you fell about mental reterded or handicap mental people??
Do you think God would love a born again, saved righteous, mental retarted person??
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Absolutely. God loves all of us including those who are mentally handicapped, or mentally unsound.
And if you go to the Spirit, Body and Soul thread, you will find my answer to the above that shows it is not just in this world that we reap what we so.
There are many born again Christians who die after a life of sin that never reaped the sin they sowed in this world - they had the opportunity to repent, but refused and so their hearts were hardened.
Romans 2:3-6 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
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Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Yes, Paul is speaking to the Gentiles in Rome, and is discussion the Jews who came before, but not only that. He makes the message clear that we are to practice what we preach, and be all that God wants us to be.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Absolutely. God loves all of us including those who are mentally handicapped, or mentally unsound.
And if you go to the Spirit, Body and Soul thread, you will find my answer to the above that shows it is not just in this world that we reap what we so.
There are many born again Christians who die after a life of sin that never reaped the sin they sowed in this world - they had the opportunity to repent, but refused and so their hearts were hardened.
Romans 2:3-6 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
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Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Yes, Paul is speaking to the Gentiles in Rome, and is discussion the Jews who came before, but not only that. He makes the message clear that we are to practice what we preach, and be all that God wants us to be.
It is harder to try to self righteous to be something!
it is easier to know who you re already now and then be what you are insteady of trying to perform to be!
the good news is that you have arrived in your born again spirit and righteousness in Vhrist because of grace gift given towards you from christ perfection to you!
that is why a born again person is a most beloved before God!
So be exactly that not a claiming title of being a good sinner!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Only a fool would try such a thing by himself.
By ourselves this would be impossible, but no one I know who overcame serious sin did it alone. They all did it with Christ.
Heck, without the Grace of God, goodness knows where I would be.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Only a fool would try such a thing by himself.
By ourselves this would be impossible, but no one I know who overcame serious sin did it alone. They all did it with Christ.
Heck, without the Grace of God, goodness knows where I would be.
But many try to work out on thier own thier salvation!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I have never met any who would. But I suppose that there might be just as there are those who think that they can take Jesus for granted and do nothing.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Only a fool would try such a thing by himself.
By ourselves this would be impossible, but no one I know who overcame serious sin did it alone. They all did it with Christ.
Heck, without the Grace of God, goodness knows where I would be.
But many try to work out on thier own thier salvation!
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If you are implying that the Catholic Church teaches that we have to work so God has to owe us salvation it is not true.
If you think that the Catholic Church teaches that we have to work so God has to owe us salvation you are Protesting a catholic church that simply does not exist.
Like FAL said earlier
No need for any law. Simple. If we love God, we won't do anything that we know would offend Him. And if we love our neighbour, we won't do anything that would hurt our neighbour in any way.
No law against doing what is right. No law against charity, or looking after people when they are sick. No law against visiting the lonely or the imprisoned.
We don't need any laws if we are truly In Christ.
I do works under grace not works that put God under debt.
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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I have never met any who would. But I suppose that there might be just as there are those who think that they can take Jesus for granted and do nothing.
Amen!
I think you are talking about grace with faith which look like to man we are doing nothing, but the real doing is in the believing and trusting which is that work of faith, which saved us!
religion always put on a add on and addition of performances and earning good traditional merits!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Only a fool would try such a thing by himself.
By ourselves this would be impossible, but no one I know who overcame serious sin did it alone. They all did it with Christ.
Heck, without the Grace of God, goodness knows where I would be.
But many try to work out on thier own thier salvation!
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If you are implying that the Catholic Church teaches that we have to work so God has to owe us salvation it is not true.
If you think that the Catholic Church teaches that we have to work so God has to owe us salvation you are Protesting a catholic church that simply does not exist.
Like FAL said earlier
No need for any law. Simple. If we love God, we won't do anything that we know would offend Him. And if we love our neighbour, we won't do anything that would hurt our neighbour in any way.
No law against doing what is right. No law against charity, or looking after people when they are sick. No law against visiting the lonely or the imprisoned.
We don't need any laws if we are truly In Christ.
I do works under grace not works that put God under debt.
But you motive of doing those catholic things are not correct and this is my point you done accept!
because we are sons and daughter and because we are already righteous and just , and perfect , and obedient Children of God we do those things and not to do them as a duty , but as a thanksgiving!
We obey because of who we are in Christ as a gift of grace, and not to work to get the gift of grace like the catholic are trying to do, which we see and hear , and read from your catholic church and here!
No wonder you have a bad witness, and a false tradition and no gospel!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Only a fool would try such a thing by himself.
By ourselves this would be impossible, but no one I know who overcame serious sin did it alone. They all did it with Christ.
Heck, without the Grace of God, goodness knows where I would be.
This is why you need to get out your foolish churchy before it is to late so you can let God will come to pass and be free indeed, from being in slave to bondage of self righteousness and churchy sacrafice, and traditions of religion!
Muslims has that same concepts when they go to Mecca, only you do it when you go to a mass or to Rome!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Evangelist, if non-Christians see Christians behaving badly, it will be held against teh Christians by God for not setting a better example.
What we DO is by Grace through Faith. Not by ourselves.
By Grace we can avoid sin and do what is right.
Grace and Faith are not something that hides behind a sinner's prayer where no one can see them. Grace and Faith are powerful witnesses to the world that God exists.
If your neighbour cannot see Grace and Faith working in you by more than just tongues and healing, then you don't have either at work in you.
I have seen atheists performing miracles on stage - speaking in tongues and healing people and causing them to be slain in the spirit, and then explaining how all these things were accomplished entirely without God.
Tongues, healing, all sorts of miracles come by the hand of God too, the way to spot the difference is that healings last and the person is holy - not merely declared holy by God, but visibly holy to all who are around him.
The great saints in my Church performed astounding miracles. Some during their lifetime performed so many miracles that their legacy is measured in part by piles of crutches and other implements. But the one characteristic that defined them all was that they lived holy lives. A saint is not defined by how many miracles he or she performed during her life, but by how holy they were during life.
And before you get all hung up and think that any of them did it for men - NO. They lived for God. They walked after the Spirit instead of the flesh, and walked in the light of Christ instead of the darkness of sin. That was always the source of their holiness.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
Edited by Faith_at_Large on 07/02/2012 09:44:16
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